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Cavan V Donegal - USFC Final 2019

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Replying To Samsforthehills:  "When Dinosaurs ruled the earth."
Well no, your fellow Donegal man seemed to be worried that he was disrespecting Cavan's past history, I was simply reassuring him that was impossible due to the fact that our glittering history is the envy of every other county in Ulster. We have won 39 Ulster titles, Donegal have an opportunity to reach double figures tomorrow and to close the gap between us to just 29 titles though.

IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 268 - 22/06/2019 09:53:49    2198509

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Replying To IamADragon:  "Well no, your fellow Donegal man seemed to be worried that he was disrespecting Cavan's past history, I was simply reassuring him that was impossible due to the fact that our glittering history is the envy of every other county in Ulster. We have won 39 Ulster titles, Donegal have an opportunity to reach double figures tomorrow and to close the gap between us to just 29 titles though."
History is not much good for the youths of today. They would like to share in some of it today not the history. Tomorrow is a great day for the Cavan people and a greater day should their team prevail.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 22/06/2019 11:17:44    2198524

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The recent History more relevant. Donegal youngsters have seen their team winning, some of the Cavan team would have seen the win in 97,maybe they will see another win tomorrow..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2042 - 22/06/2019 12:50:24    2198549

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Replying To FarneyLenny:  "Pitch will be fairly damp come tomorrow with the amount of salty tears the Armagh lads will drop on pitch this evening after we dump them out. Best of luck to Cavan tomorrow and in our absence from final due to not playing yee in first half in Breffni I hope you manage to keep score respectable and at least make it an occasion on the hallowed turf of ulster football."
I'd be more inclined to suggest that the pitch is salty from your own tears, having still not come to terms with the fact we beat you.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 22/06/2019 14:20:53    2198572

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "If Cavan try to play from the back it will fail. You say about Galligan's kick out's as it stands with his long kicks there is no need for a midfield player when he is kicking long so you need a good strong half forward line supported by one of the midfielders every time so the second midfielder can pick up the break downs. Galligan fails when he tries to kick short to the side lines for the majority he will kick out over the side line. It's not for the want of practice I can tell you. The problem for tomorrow for Cavan is that Donegal have players that one man will find it hard to mark and they are well capable of exploiting any weaknesses in the Cavan set up. Cavan don't have the luxury of being able to man mark, Murphy on his own is worth 3 men. He will be all over the park he puts up phenomenal milage during a game
Have the team being named when you say Clarke will be CHB and McKiernan full forward. McKiernan will be listed as FF but will be in the middle as usual.
In Galligan's defense Cavan don't have a goalkeeper of his calibre at the moment and he made some vital saves against Monaghan and Armagh. A lot of credit must go to him for Cavan being where they are at "tomorrow". The best of luck to all in Clones."
It will an interesting one to see how Cavan approach the kickouts. I don't think playing out from the back would be a disaster and may be our best option. Donegal have a physical advantage over us. In Galligan's defence I would say that the midfield area has been weak and haven't really helped the cause. Conor Brady was excellent against Monaghan and Armagh the second day but doesn't offer much for the kickouts. T. Galligan hasn't really shown too much in the air either. In around the breaks we might need to get more physical. I somewhat agree that Cavan doesn't have goalkeepers of his calibre at the minute but Liam Brady certainly has the makings of a great goalkeeper and I'm sure Gary and Brian O'Rourke will also be pushing hard in the next few years. Brady's probably still a little on the light side but he's still quite young.

Donegal kickouts were excellent against Tyrone but I thought we did well pushing hard on Armagh kickouts both days in Clones. Replicating something similar would be worth a shot. I think conceding the kickout would be criminal but sure we will see how Mickey and the team approach this tomorrow.

I disagree that Murphy on his own is worth 3 men. No doubt still a great player and a threat but he hasn't been outstanding. I'd be more concerned about McHugh coming from deep as well as Ban Gallagher and then you've got Langan an exceptional long range shooter and Brennan with a great eye for goal. I agree that Cavan haven't the luxury of picking up all of these guys and it may be their downfall tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if Ciaran Holla comes back into the panel or starting 15 too?

patman92 (Cavan) - Posts: 51 - 22/06/2019 19:05:46    2198640

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "I'd be more inclined to suggest that the pitch is salty from your own tears, having still not come to terms with the fact we beat you."
He might be a bit quieter this evening.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 22/06/2019 20:51:03    2198685

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Replying To fredflint:  "He might be a bit quieter this evening."
Absolutely, the weekend is already off to a magnificent start, Monaghan getting stuffed by a mid tier team, and staring a decline in the face! Great stuff!

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 22/06/2019 21:24:36    2198704

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Replying To patman92:  "It will an interesting one to see how Cavan approach the kickouts. I don't think playing out from the back would be a disaster and may be our best option. Donegal have a physical advantage over us. In Galligan's defence I would say that the midfield area has been weak and haven't really helped the cause. Conor Brady was excellent against Monaghan and Armagh the second day but doesn't offer much for the kickouts. T. Galligan hasn't really shown too much in the air either. In around the breaks we might need to get more physical. I somewhat agree that Cavan doesn't have goalkeepers of his calibre at the minute but Liam Brady certainly has the makings of a great goalkeeper and I'm sure Gary and Brian O'Rourke will also be pushing hard in the next few years. Brady's probably still a little on the light side but he's still quite young.

Donegal kickouts were excellent against Tyrone but I thought we did well pushing hard on Armagh kickouts both days in Clones. Replicating something similar would be worth a shot. I think conceding the kickout would be criminal but sure we will see how Mickey and the team approach this tomorrow.

I disagree that Murphy on his own is worth 3 men. No doubt still a great player and a threat but he hasn't been outstanding. I'd be more concerned about McHugh coming from deep as well as Ban Gallagher and then you've got Langan an exceptional long range shooter and Brennan with a great eye for goal. I agree that Cavan haven't the luxury of picking up all of these guys and it may be their downfall tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if Ciaran Holla comes back into the panel or starting 15 too?"
McHugh is on my list of ects. The O'Rourkes are not as good as Masterson from Killyshandra he is a lovely goalkeeper and safe. But it's not an issue for now it's the least of Cavan's worries to be honest.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 22/06/2019 21:28:42    2198710

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The day is finally here , after years of been disappointed and using this forums to give out , we finally made it to the Ulster Final . Enjoy the game all and good luck to the team

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 285 - 23/06/2019 07:19:03    2198818

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Best of luck to the boys today. i am hoping for a huge performance the result will take care of itself.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 563 - 23/06/2019 08:55:55    2198828

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Here we go lads!

The nerves are taking hold. I'll be off to mass shortly and I'll humbly ask the good Lord to work a miracle for us!

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 23/06/2019 09:12:04    2198834

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Replying To goonie:  "The day is finally here , after years of been disappointed and using this forums to give out , we finally made it to the Ulster Final . Enjoy the game all and good luck to the team"
I agree! This forum is a great outlet to vent frustration! God knows we've endured plenty of misery over the years, hopefully that changes today!

C'mon the Bréifne men!

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 23/06/2019 09:13:16    2198835

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Well that was very grim.. it was men against boys . Mickey spoke about the game in ballybofey last year as being like a challenge game .. this was worse .. we didn't lay a hand on them , our defence was non existent they walked through us. A lot of lads are no where near the level required and that showed today. We had bodies back but donegal were scoring at ease with no pressure being put on them. Donegal walked in a few times at the end but fisted it over the bar when the goal was on . Could have been a lot worse. This was donegals easiest game so far. . On another note the cavan crowd was unbelievable.. best fans in the country but always let down when it matters

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 23/06/2019 16:23:56    2199023

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McVitty still running up blind alleys and getting turned over. He 6 years doing that now.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 23/06/2019 16:48:27    2199049

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Very disappointing today , tactically I think Cavan over taught the game and got it wrong , letting Donegal have there own kick out was baffling, team selection and position of players was another issue , Martin Reilly doesn't work in full forwards , Our only natural forward C.Reilly should have started . We needed the like of Argue in Mid field as a target man and the aggression of Gunner in the backs to get tackles in . Maybe nerves had a lot to do with the dreadful passing and kick out . We have the qualifiers to look forward to now .

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 285 - 23/06/2019 16:52:05    2199053

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Replying To blueskies:  "Well that was very grim.. it was men against boys . Mickey spoke about the game in ballybofey last year as being like a challenge game .. this was worse .. we didn't lay a hand on them , our defence was non existent they walked through us. A lot of lads are no where near the level required and that showed today. We had bodies back but donegal were scoring at ease with no pressure being put on them. Donegal walked in a few times at the end but fisted it over the bar when the goal was on . Could have been a lot worse. This was donegals easiest game so far. . On another note the cavan crowd was unbelievable.. best fans in the country but always let down when it matters"
Agree entirely with that.

We never got going in that game. It was over after twenty minutes, very very disappointed with the performance, we're capable of much better and I know the lads will feel that they didn't do themselves justice.

Were nerves a factor? Undoubtedly. Was the weight of expectation on their minds? Definitely.

We were second to every ball. Fumbled easy passes. Kicked the ball away under no pressure. Wide open at the back and not potent enough up front. We tagged on a few points when the game was long over which makes the scoreline look more palatable, but we were never in the game.

We need a new goalkeeper, as much as Galligan is a good shot stopper, his kickouts aren't good enough. Time and time again he kicked it straight to Donegal, and similarly Armagh were let back into the replay with poor kickouts after we looked to have them dead and buried.

The lads will learn from this, Donegal are a seasoned outfit with some unbelievable talent in their forward line. It's no shame in losing to them, I just regret the fact we never made a contest out of it.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 23/06/2019 17:18:57    2199083

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "McVitty still running up blind alleys and getting turned over. He 6 years doing that now."
McVitty is your best player & has been terrific this year...stop him and you stop Cavan...got a bit more freedom near end and got a few scores.

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 169 - 23/06/2019 17:30:24    2199102

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Replying To goonie:  "Very disappointing today , tactically I think Cavan over taught the game and got it wrong , letting Donegal have there own kick out was baffling, team selection and position of players was another issue , Martin Reilly doesn't work in full forwards , Our only natural forward C.Reilly should have started . We needed the like of Argue in Mid field as a target man and the aggression of Gunner in the backs to get tackles in . Maybe nerves had a lot to do with the dreadful passing and kick out . We have the qualifiers to look forward to now ."
we have one qualifier game against probably either Tyrone, Mayo,Kildare or Armagh.
Yeah nerves played a part but we were never going to beat Donegal.. bottom line is they are better than us. Tyrone,Mayo,Kerry,Dublin are also better than us. we have improved . It would be good of we made the super 8s. It would be good experience for us. We have a massive problem at kickouts and I'm not sure it's all down to Galligan. Anyway that's for the mgmt team to sort out.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5280 - 23/06/2019 18:09:57    2199167

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More then nerves.. The power and athleticism of Donegal is superior to Cavan, plus all of their forwards are dangerous and McGee rampant in midfield..
They comprehensively beat Cavan last year in championship and u20 ulster championship same the year before in League and u21.. .

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2042 - 23/06/2019 18:18:15    2199179

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Tough to watch. Looked at the full panel in the programme today big amount of passsengers. Mickey and Dermot have done good work but need to unearth a few forwards and play them as forwards. That they completely removed the named full forward line told its own story. Mc Vitty up font on his own wins ball but does not look for players in a better position to pas to. Donegal had studied that and knew how to close him down. Head down zinc up a blind alley does not win Ulster Championships
We need 3 full forwards who can play the position and we need half forwards and half backs who can deliver accurate ball to them. It is a simple game.
Gearoid needs help in mid field. Donegal forwards sailed through our defence without a tackle put on them. Donegal today was s step up in class for this panel and we floundered.
Much done more to do. We are a number of players short of a strong panel.
Maybe next year.

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 225 - 23/06/2019 19:07:57    2199231

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