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What can we do to improve Cavan Senior Football

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Gaels stay by themselves, killygarry and drumalee join. Clubs should join, more money to run good clubs, better standards of football, better county team, clubs doing better in Ulster, time to bury the past and create our future, we are all blue at the end of the day."
Replying To doratheexplorer: "I'd definitely be of one parish one team. Maybe the Cavan town one be too strong but likes of Maghera Munterconnaught etc..."
Gaels stay by themselves, killygarry and drumalee join. Clubs should join, more money to run good clubs, better standards of football, better county team, clubs doing better in Ulster, time to bury the past and create our future, we are all blue at the end of the day.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts:425 - 28/07/2017 21:14:48 2025130
Why would Killygarry want to join Drumalee in a few years time Killygarry will have a very strong team guaranteed by their set up and youth development. I know nothing about Drumalee as a club.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4532 - 28/07/2017 22:16:47    2025147

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Replying To doratheexplorer: "I'd definitely be of one parish one team. Maybe the Cavan town one be too strong but likes of Maghera Munterconnaught etc..."
Gaels stay by themselves, killygarry and drumalee join. Clubs should join, more money to run good clubs, better standards of football, better county team, clubs doing better in Ulster, time to bury the past and create our future, we are all blue at the end of the day.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts:425 - 28/07/2017 21:14:48 2025130
Why would Killygarry want to join Drumalee in a few years time Killygarry will have a very strong team guaranteed by their set up and youth development. I know nothing about Drumalee as a club."
I don't ever remember killygarry winning anything important in 40 years!
Anyway nobody would join up with them!
They can't even agree amongst themselves!!

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 28/07/2017 23:10:04    2025169

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I don't ever remember killygarry winning anything important in 40 years!
Anyway nobody would join up with them!
They can't even agree amongst themselves!!"
You're going to have to explain that Martin!?
Would ramor be so strong if the Maghera boys played for their rightful club?
I'm from Killygarry and I'll tell you now I'd rather the club folded than joined Drumalee. Take that to the bank

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 425 - 29/07/2017 02:35:44    2025212

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Replying To countdown:  "The whole system has to be reviewed in the county Tom. What are the biggest problems in Cavan football at the moment? In my opinion there needs to be a few radical changes before Cavan ever start competing on an Ulster Level again - before we start thinking about a national level.

1) The County board needs to be refreshed every 3 years - I know there is a change at the very top table every few years but every dog on the street knows that the same faces are always there influencing the decisions of the top table. guys who have given their service to Cavan Football and credit to them but it's time to move on. Time to get a younger representation at top table who are more in touch with the modern game.

2) The Fixtures Committee. Every Club in the county has a gripe with it and always has. The fixtures committee never seem to listen. In my opinion the Cavan Championship must start earlier. It gets our best players in Championship Mode - at a level of intensity and fitness that no training can buy. Obviously this is not at an intensity and fitness level of county games but combined with county training surely there is no substitute. Most other counties including the successful counties start their club championship before the inter-county championship. Why are we different? We must model our future on the Tyrones, Dublins, even Monaghan.

3) Parish Teams - For the future of the game in our County we must plan to amalgamate our parishes down the line. It will prove very difficult and won't be short of arguments but it will improve the standard of club football in our county and with that comes an improved County Team. People must swallow their pride and amalgamate for the future of our game in County Cavan. Look at the standard of underage football in the county at the moment in most clubs - atrocious is being nice.

Just three opening ideas to mull over..."
Agree entirely with your assessment.

How utterly depressing it is to see everyone else completely mis-interpret your point about amalgamations.

Nobody reckons the gaels should amalgamate ffs, they're the strongest team in the county because they have the pick of the county town. Clubs like Maghera, Drumalee, Corlough, Kill, no disrespect to any of them, but seriously, what is the point of dividing parishes into 2 or often 3 teams?

There needs to be an assessment carried out of all the clubs and the boundaries attaching to them, and we need to force clubs to join together to raise the standard for everyone. We have experience of clubs coming together at underage, where some clubs constantly struggle to get the numbers, so why is there a big fuss about doing it at senior?

OR the other option is to bury our heads in the sand for another 50 years, like we've been doing for decades now, and continue to wonder why our county team is so poor.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 370 - 30/07/2017 17:59:21    2026045

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Looking at championship results from the weekend its a very worrying fact the little difference and step between junior to senior. All divison 2 teams picked up points in the senior championship, whilst junior and intermediate clubs could compete with these division 2 teams playing senior championship. There is very little comparison in the top 3 junior clubs and bottom 4-5 senior clubs. A good Tyrone junior team would beat many of our senor clubs. Its a sad fact.

lad09 (Cavan) - Posts: 239 - 31/07/2017 13:14:00    2026615

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Replying To lad09:  "Looking at championship results from the weekend its a very worrying fact the little difference and step between junior to senior. All divison 2 teams picked up points in the senior championship, whilst junior and intermediate clubs could compete with these division 2 teams playing senior championship. There is very little comparison in the top 3 junior clubs and bottom 4-5 senior clubs. A good Tyrone junior team would beat many of our senor clubs. Its a sad fact."
The Top 3 junior clubs would compete with bottom 4 or 5 seniors? Are you serious? Compete with Mullahoran possibly and that's it. I agree that we have a poor standard of club football because there are too many clubs but suggesting junior clubs would compete with senior is nonsense. They are junior in Cavan for a reason

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 165 - 31/07/2017 13:44:52    2026637

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No not much difference. They grade the teams in the championship in Tyrone based on how they do in the League. Trillick were beaten in the Intermediate final in 2014, but got promoted in the League and won the Senior Championship the following year.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1961 - 31/07/2017 13:53:30    2026641

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Replying To doratheexplorer: "I'd definitely be of one parish one team. Maybe the Cavan town one be too strong but likes of Maghera Munterconnaught etc..."
Gaels stay by themselves, killygarry and drumalee join. Clubs should join, more money to run good clubs, better standards of football, better county team, clubs doing better in Ulster, time to bury the past and create our future, we are all blue at the end of the day.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts:425 - 28/07/2017 21:14:48 2025130
Why would Killygarry want to join Drumalee in a few years time Killygarry will have a very strong team guaranteed by their set up and youth development. I know nothing about Drumalee as a club."
Tomsmith here
Hold on for a minute youse are all against Divisional teams where I proposed that teams come together and play Divisional foolball over the back end of the year with a view of getting on the Cavan Senior team.
What youse are proposing is to amalgamate clubs which I totally disagree with. For instance Killygarry and Drumalee amalgamate so you have the Drumalee club close down. You could have Kill and Drug come together and Drung closes. Templeport and Belturbet and Templeport ceases to exist .......... O Lord foregive them for they know not what to do or sat

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3231 - 31/07/2017 21:31:41    2026967

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here
Hold on for a minute youse are all against Divisional teams where I proposed that teams come together and play Divisional foolball over the back end of the year with a view of getting on the Cavan Senior team.
What youse are proposing is to amalgamate clubs which I totally disagree with. For instance Killygarry and Drumalee amalgamate so you have the Drumalee club close down. You could have Kill and Drug come together and Drung closes. Templeport and Belturbet and Templeport ceases to exist .......... O Lord foregive them for they know not what to do or sat"
Tom Smith, Foxes_denn here. What about only picking lads who live within 30 /40 minutes drive from breffni. Also what about bringing Rory Gallagher in to manage??

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 31/07/2017 21:52:13    2026989

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Amalgamations simply won't happen.
Too many people have given so much of their lives to help keep clubs going down through the years. They'd rather see them fold before getting absorbed into a neighbouring club.

The obvious compromise is to allow clubs to exist in their own right and allow amalgamation for the senior championship. .same as the Kerry championship.

Allow intermediate and junior teams the opportunity to win their own championships but give every player who's good enough the chance to play senior football every year too.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3762 - 31/07/2017 21:55:16    2026994

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Replying To foxes_denn:  "Tom Smith, Foxes_denn here. What about only picking lads who live within 30 /40 minutes drive from breffni. Also what about bringing Rory Gallagher in to manage??"
Two kindred spirits.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 31/07/2017 22:12:32    2027003

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Cavan Co Board wouldn't pay Rory Gallagher

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 165 - 31/07/2017 22:42:20    2027028

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Amalgamations simply won't happen.
Too many people have given so much of their lives to help keep clubs going down through the years. They'd rather see them fold before getting absorbed into a neighbouring club.

The obvious compromise is to allow clubs to exist in their own right and allow amalgamation for the senior championship. .same as the Kerry championship.

Allow intermediate and junior teams the opportunity to win their own championships but give every player who's good enough the chance to play senior football every year too."
The kerry Senior championship way would be the way forward . It would give good junior and intermediate players a chance to play Senior football.
Plus the junior and intermediate could also be played in their own right.
For example you could have west cavan, east cavan and mid cavan made up of junior and intermediate players contesting the Senior championship with 9 other senior clubs.
2 groups of 6 with top 2 in each group playing in semi finals.
If an amalgamation won the championship the Senior club that went the furthest would represent Cavan in the Ulster club.
As Amalgamations aren't allowed.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 01/08/2017 09:35:19    2027147

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The kerry Senior championship way would be the way forward . It would give good junior and intermediate players a chance to play Senior football.
Plus the junior and intermediate could also be played in their own right.
For example you could have west cavan, east cavan and mid cavan made up of junior and intermediate players contesting the Senior championship with 9 other senior clubs.
2 groups of 6 with top 2 in each group playing in semi finals.
If an amalgamation won the championship the Senior club that went the furthest would represent Cavan in the Ulster club.
As Amalgamations aren't allowed."
about 7 0r 8 years ago there were one or two amalgamated junior teams in the senior championship. The cb gave them no respect.
They played their junior games with their clubs on the fri/saturday and Senior on Sunday.
If the cb were being fair, the games could have been played mid week or alternative weekends.
Problem is our cb are living in the dark ages and not willing to change. We need to get rid of the older men and replace them with youth.
Have a look at the delegates at the next meeting,. How many are under 30 ?
All our cb are concerned with is money. Charging into junior b early round championship games, Charging €10 into single fixtures, putting on 2 games in Breffni and charging more even though most people may not have interest in the other game, but have no choice but pay more.
U21 is a closed shop at county level also. No open trials. Teams are based on previous minor teams.
It's all about the money money money !!! €€€€€€€€€€€€€€

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 01/08/2017 10:40:52    2027186

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Replying To StirringIt:  "about 7 0r 8 years ago there were one or two amalgamated junior teams in the senior championship. The cb gave them no respect.
They played their junior games with their clubs on the fri/saturday and Senior on Sunday.
If the cb were being fair, the games could have been played mid week or alternative weekends.
Problem is our cb are living in the dark ages and not willing to change. We need to get rid of the older men and replace them with youth.
Have a look at the delegates at the next meeting,. How many are under 30 ?
All our cb are concerned with is money. Charging into junior b early round championship games, Charging €10 into single fixtures, putting on 2 games in Breffni and charging more even though most people may not have interest in the other game, but have no choice but pay more.
U21 is a closed shop at county level also. No open trials. Teams are based on previous minor teams.
It's all about the money money money !!! €€€€€€€€€€€€€€"
Delegates are elected by clubs. CB is elected by clubs.
Clubs NEED to change their attitude too.
It's the clubs that form the CB except for one paid position.
That position has caused all the problems in Cavan football this past 15 years

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 01/08/2017 10:59:53    2027215

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "The Top 3 junior clubs would compete with bottom 4 or 5 seniors? Are you serious? Compete with Mullahoran possibly and that's it. I agree that we have a poor standard of club football because there are too many clubs but suggesting junior clubs would compete with senior is nonsense. They are junior in Cavan for a reason"
Dagger1986 - Im saying the likes of ballymachugh or drumalee would not be a million miles of mullahorn, gowna, cootehill,etc.. There would be no massive 15+ point hammerings which there should be in the difference in the levels. There should be a serious step up. Im on about senior an junior here, there is not much between intermediate nd lower senior teams at all, and league basis shows that. The fact of the matter is we have too many clubs and thats not going to change now we just have to deal with. Algamations wll never work now every club has their proud tradition

lad09 (Cavan) - Posts: 239 - 01/08/2017 22:20:15    2027642

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Replying To lad09:  "Dagger1986 - Im saying the likes of ballymachugh or drumalee would not be a million miles of mullahorn, gowna, cootehill,etc.. There would be no massive 15+ point hammerings which there should be in the difference in the levels. There should be a serious step up. Im on about senior an junior here, there is not much between intermediate nd lower senior teams at all, and league basis shows that. The fact of the matter is we have too many clubs and thats not going to change now we just have to deal with. Algamations wll never work now every club has their proud tradition"
And I'm saying Gowna or Cootehill would beat any junior team by 20 points. They're is a serious gulf in quality between Junior and Senior.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 165 - 02/08/2017 00:10:12    2027679

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I'm still amazed that you believe merging clubs will produce brilliant players. So if we can just get corlough and templeport to amalgamate then Cavan will dominate ulster again. Its been staring us in the face all this time!!!

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 425 - 02/08/2017 01:57:55    2027691

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "And I'm saying Gowna or Cootehill would beat any junior team by 20 points. They're is a serious gulf in quality between Junior and Senior."
Belturbet were nearly relegated to Junior last year and are playing Division 1 football this year. You're over stating the gulf. There isn't much between the lower few Senior teams and top Junior teams.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1961 - 02/08/2017 11:44:57    2027789

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Replying To JamsieMac:  "I'm still amazed that you believe merging clubs will produce brilliant players. So if we can just get corlough and templeport to amalgamate then Cavan will dominate ulster again. Its been staring us in the face all this time!!!"
JamsieMac you're ignorance has no bounds. If you are going to show such lack of respect to clubs like Corlough and Templeport then it's not worth arguing with you. Amalgamating clubs will improve the standard of club football in Cavan - it will revive interest and competitiveness within the clubs who have so few numbers in recent years that it is inevitable that these clubs will fold sooner rather than later. What I am suggesting is instead of letting this happen we act first. If you go to club games and have an interest in any other club other than your own you will see this widespread problem across the county. There are very few clubs with a suffice number of substitutes. Ballymahugh had only 4 minor players this year. Castlerahan are playing 11 a side division 16... just two examples of problems at underage. The list of eye opening problems is right in front of our eyes and there are very solutions but one very obvious one is to amalgamate and address the problem before it escalates to a point of no return. The County Board are the county board - you say the clubs elect the CB and all this - well then maybe the powers within the clubs need to change. Did you have a vote in the county board election process? Or do you know who you're club even nominated? No you had no say and are afraid to ask as these are "executive" decisions with clubs these days. Go down to Corlough and Templeport and ask them how their clubs are doing at underage and how their numbers are at senior level....go to Maghera and ask them how they do it and do they think what they are doing is sustainable? You say about Drumalee or Killygarry folding as a club - they will but together will be able to compete for a senior medal - that I have no doubt. Their second team would also compete for an intermediate medal. Competitiveness breeds success. So I think we must give this a try for the future of clubs across the county.

countdown (Cavan) - Posts: 14 - 03/08/2017 10:39:43    2028291

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