Here is whats Wrong..Panal selection is totally wrong.Have any of you seen Tommy Carr at any club league games?? People say we just dont have the players.Virginia collage twice all ireland winners,11 in a row county winners and at the moment only 3 county seniors,only one from the all ireland winning teams.Then we have lavey getting to an ulster final,must be talent there.Ramor"s double winning under 21 team and again no representation.Why not give the lads thats have actually won something a chance on the county team because it cant get any worse.

est1987 (Cavan) - Posts: 3 - 08/03/2010 18:42:14    582422

I think we have bigger problems than whether TC should remain as manager or not..Although ive been one of his greatest critics for the simple reason i dont think he has the credintals to manage ANY county at senior level.... and his record proves that..But our problems run deeper than TC.. Look at our league? It hasnt even started yet? why? Has last years league even finished? im in the uk and rely on info here..How the hell can we get lads intrested in county football if we going to treat club football the way we do...Yes we need a big name manager for the simple reason we need to get intrest n respect back in our county team... but we also need to sort things out from within... Our senior league should be up and running like it is in most counties.. with the prize of a trip sumwhere for the winners...There is no intrest within the county so ther going to be no intrest in the county team either.. We hear of players who wont play county football.. we would u blame them..We at an all time low and we heading for div 4 without a douby.. us and roscommon.. 2 of TCs teams...Carr has to go.. the County board needs to resign .. the lot out... start afresh..Somebody has to take responsibility for taking the advice of a pais sports agency to find a manager that joe soap on the street wouldnt touch with a barge pole with his track record..Proper coaches need proper coaching..Cavan Slasher posted in another tread of not being able to kick the ball over the bar from 25 metres.. This been going on for years now..When someone like seanie johnstone comes along and is able to kick it from 25 m with both feet we think we have found a star... but all he is doing is what every inter county player should be able to do.. sidestep n score on the run...We need a paudie o shea type now in charge to bring us back from the brink... give him full control..Then we need to overhaul our structure,,, our coaching.. our club league.. put some bite back into the championship by going back to straight knockout..or home and away knockout...the intrest is dead.. dead amongst the players.. and now the suporters..

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 09/03/2010 09:27:33    582830

Yes thats our problem. Of course. How did no one see it before. If we just had a few lads from Virginia on the team we'd win the all Ireland. You're so wise est1987.

iluvkeoghan (Cavan) - Posts: 79 - 09/03/2010 10:11:33    582860

The problem with cavan football is from u14 up they pick the small fast lad instead of the big strong lad who could be worked with to become a county football. you look at the cavan team compared to every other county.most team have at most 3 or 4 players under 6 foot and then the cavan team has nearly them all under 6 foot.Terry Hyland has the right idea with the u21s by picking mostly big men.

hoy (Cavan) - Posts: 307 - 09/03/2010 11:22:56    582952

You have two players both of a similar standard and both good enough to play county football. The first chooses to play county football. He trains 4 times a week from November (we all know the county started before January) between field/gym sessions etc. Travels for challenge games/McKenna cup games. Makes league panel. Will have drank on only a few occasions since January. Will probable have missed friends weddings/parties social events etc. He will start getting grief for missing club training. Then every second person he meets tells him he's/cavan's crap/useless/wasting your time quit etc.
Second player decides not to play county football. He dusts off the boots in february and saunters out for the first club training of the year in mid february. Doesnt have to push himself and his position is safe on club team. Locals praise his loyalty to the club. Goes out with the lads every weekend and gets no abuse regarding forsesaken the county. Instead player is probably told, "jaysus, if only they had you there".
Now which of these fellas should we be knockin'.

Navscan (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 09/03/2010 13:47:34    583132

Dire players and a bad attitude is a pretty gruesome mix.

Cavan1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 215 - 09/03/2010 17:53:45    583442

Two Questions.

1. Why will the Cavan Gaels players not play for their county team or are they not being selected ?

2. Why is Lavey being ignored ?

A Louth man asked this question on Sunday last and i wasn't sure of the answer !! I am living outside the county and while i hear stories i would like to know the truth !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 09/03/2010 18:52:59    583525

Navscan
County: Cavan
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583132 You have two players both of a similar standard and both good enough to play county football. The first chooses to play county football. He trains 4 times a week from November (we all know the county started before January) between field/gym sessions etc. Travels for challenge games/McKenna cup games. Makes league panel. Will have drank on only a few occasions since January. Will probable have missed friends weddings/parties social events etc. He will start getting grief for missing club training. Then every second person he meets tells him he's/cavan's crap/useless/wasting your time quit etc.
Second player decides not to play county football. He dusts off the boots in february and saunters out for the first club training of the year in mid february. Doesnt have to push himself and his position is safe on club team. Locals praise his loyalty to the club. Goes out with the lads every weekend and gets no abuse regarding forsesaken the county. Instead player is probably told, "jaysus, if only they had you there".
Now which of these fellas should we be knockin'.



Well Done Navscan. that is one of the best posts I have seen on here. there is an lot of truth in that.

I think We as supporters are to blame too. If we could only accept for 3 years that we are not going to win anything and give a decent management set-up time with a panel with no expectations at all. just work on them both physically and technically and stick with this same panel by and large. another of our problems is constantly chopping and changing players. I have seen players who are very good club players (and can kick points with both feet from more than 25 metres) being drafted in and givin a few games and because they didn't impress were dropped. they should be given more time to gell with other players. a settled panel would definitely improve standards. Also this sigerson cup thing is creating problems for us. our best players havent had a chance to play with the county team in the first few league matches. and now the players that have been playing will be dropped when they come back..never to be seen again. We need a panel of players who are all comfortable in each others company with no prima donnas . personnaly I don't think there is anything wrong with players socialising in a group . it helps bonding and can improve performance. the important thing is that they ALL socialise together. So organised social events are really important. we want dedication,commitment,comradarie and physical fitness.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 10/03/2010 15:32:16    584278

Some excellent points there MR Goldrick, it's good to see someone on here with a bit of common sense!!

D_Dude (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2010 15:41:51    584287

Having watched games over many years I have a belief that in order to win a senior All Ireland with a group of players, that group needs to have won an All Ireland at minor or U21 level. There are exceptions to this. Galway won two All Irelands with no lead up to it and Laois failed to win a Sam despite sveral successes at minor level, and there are other exceptions. But most senior successes have come on the back of winning minor / u21 teams, especially the Ulster successes. It's no good having potential. Emerging seniors need to have been successful. To have a winning mentality. To know what it takes to win and how to repeat it. Cavan produces as good a minor footballer as any other county, and better than most. We always have hard luck stories about a disputed score here or a poor refereeing decision there, and we regularly point to being beaten in Ulster by the eventual All Ireland winners. What comfort is that? When it comes to the senior footballers, resources never seem to be an issue. The best of gear. The best of gym facilities etc. And recently, a professional management consultant's fee to select our high profile manager. Are we in a better place as a result? I'd much prefer to see the current senior operation scaled back to just being adequately resourced with a willing, capable club manager from within the county. There are several around that would fit the bill and would welcome the opportunity. I would then like to see the current senior investment transferred to the minors, in particular the appointment of a high calibre manager with proven credentials and a winning track record. Tyrone don't churn them out by accident, nor will we.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 11/03/2010 14:55:11    585343

No players from the Gaels Lavey an the Bridge. Very bad team/panel selection. What about Sean Brady, Eugene Keating, Finbar Reilly, Darren Rabitte, Doc Collins and lots more good players that is not on the panel.

biffo1 (Cavan) - Posts: 148 - 11/03/2010 21:16:13    585949

Cavan Football is struggleing because we are a small county and I also agree with the poster in relation to us not developing big players and focussing on the naturally talented invariably small skillfull at 12 years of age. It's easy to coach a talented youg lad, real coaching is getting the limited players to get to grips with the game and not allowing them to drift off from our sport

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 14/03/2010 11:28:45    587486

I believe that Cavan are now back. The second promotion spot is still within Cavans reach. After a rocky start Cavan cud be on the way back to d2

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3213 - 15/03/2010 20:38:09    589127

maybe.. but not this year Jack L

Shligigh Abu !

salmoneile (Sligo) - Posts: 65 - 16/03/2010 12:41:22    589602

Life is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're going to get

Patch_eyes88 (Leitrim) - Posts: 217 - 16/03/2010 18:33:51    589989