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What can we do to improve Cavan Senior Football

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Replying To StirringIt:  "i've highlighted this problem about 2 years ago.
Minor league consisted of 3 teams which were amalgamations. There were only a few subs on each team to be fair as they seemed to be amalgamated out of necessity.
9 clubs with a total of 60 players between them or 7 per club doing rough maths.
There are other options out there such as soccer, basketball, rugby, athletics, golf etc where they don't have idiots roaring at them from the side line.
How many coaches at under age " actually" did a coaching course on how to encourage children, teach them skills and motivate them. Take rugby for example, they step the rules according to age group. At u10 they have uncontested 3 person scrums and line outs. No conversions etc. Bit by bit they introduce the rules, the skills and everyone gets a game. Most underage games are challenge matches so they can mix and match players.
They encourage safety with padded vests and gum shields are compulsory, not a half baked implementation like our sport.
We seem to do everything in a half baked way and young people are moving on. And to be honest, who can blame them."
There are other options out there such as soccer, basketball, rugby, athletics, golf etc where they don't have idiots roaring at them from the side line.
How many coaches at under age " actually" did a coaching course on how to encourage children, teach them skills and motivate them. Take rugby for example, they step the rules according to age group. At u10 they have uncontested 3 person scrums and line outs. No conversions etc. Bit by bit they introduce the rules, the skills and everyone gets a game. Most underage games are challenge matches so they can mix and match players.
They encourage safety with padded vests and gum shields are compulsory, not a half baked implementation like our sport.
We seem to do everything in a half baked way and young people are moving on. And to be honest, who can blame them.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:296 - 21/08/2017 11:09:47 2035890

I did not think we would agree on anything but for a change I agree with what you have posted above. If I might add maybe part of becoming a coach should be self discipline first followed by health and safety and then the introduction of basic skills start from the bottom and work upwards. Good post.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4479 - 21/08/2017 15:30:43    2036083

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Replying To seanorinn:  "There are other options out there such as soccer, basketball, rugby, athletics, golf etc where they don't have idiots roaring at them from the side line.
How many coaches at under age " actually" did a coaching course on how to encourage children, teach them skills and motivate them. Take rugby for example, they step the rules according to age group. At u10 they have uncontested 3 person scrums and line outs. No conversions etc. Bit by bit they introduce the rules, the skills and everyone gets a game. Most underage games are challenge matches so they can mix and match players.
They encourage safety with padded vests and gum shields are compulsory, not a half baked implementation like our sport.
We seem to do everything in a half baked way and young people are moving on. And to be honest, who can blame them.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:296 - 21/08/2017 11:09:47 2035890

I did not think we would agree on anything but for a change I agree with what you have posted above. If I might add maybe part of becoming a coach should be self discipline first followed by health and safety and then the introduction of basic skills start from the bottom and work upwards. Good post."
Thanks Sean
Having coached underage for a number of years I get frustrated when I see kids being roared at from their so called mentors.
These are the people who should be leading by example, but we appear to make big demands on kids.
At that age it should be about enjoyment, participation, learning skills.
I watch how other codes are doing it and try to bring it back to the club. Not always successfully I might add as only a leash and a gag might curtail some coaches.
I would encourage club coaches to have a look at rugby. My kids don't play it so i'm not being biased.
Pop up to Viriginia or Cavan Rugby club and watch how they handle the underage structure. I'm not saying they have all the answers or they are doing everything right, but they appear to be going a better job at development, coaching and encouraging the kids than most of our GAA clubs.
If a child or even adult are not enjoying a sport for any reason, they will move on, and this is happening at underage in our code. We have to realise there are choices and while we get the kids at a young age through school we are not holding them.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 368 - 22/08/2017 11:15:08    2036320

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The gaa is too big to be managed correctly. There are far too many clubs to have proper systems/management/reviews/checks in place. Soccer/Rugby etc are properly ran because they are properly managed due to the number of them. Proper coaches and structures can be put in place instead off every club doing their own thing and nothing in place to keep them on the right path...or something like that!

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1360 - 22/08/2017 13:02:23    2036367

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "The gaa is too big to be managed correctly. There are far too many clubs to have proper systems/management/reviews/checks in place. Soccer/Rugby etc are properly ran because they are properly managed due to the number of them. Proper coaches and structures can be put in place instead off every club doing their own thing and nothing in place to keep them on the right path...or something like that!"
Too big to manage or too big of a task to take on !!
I get what you're saying, but at club level its all hap hazzard !!!
Too many "old school" coaches. Win at all costs, old ways, not willing to change.
Need proper coaching at regional level to teach coaches at club level. The 1.5 million windfall from the game last sunday would cover a fair bit of it.
I understand your point about less rugby clubs, but their club coaches get their directives from hq and they are trained in a specific way.
It is they who then instill that discipline at club level. They coach the tackle, skills, discipline. Only the captain can question or answer the ref, not everyone bawling and roaring at him.

I find that once a club gaa coach walks away from a mandatory coaching session they say " load of crap" and go back to their old ways.
I love GAA games but some of the stuff that goes on sidelines makes me cringe.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 368 - 22/08/2017 15:42:49    2036438

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Too big to manage or too big of a task to take on !!
I get what you're saying, but at club level its all hap hazzard !!!
Too many "old school" coaches. Win at all costs, old ways, not willing to change.
Need proper coaching at regional level to teach coaches at club level. The 1.5 million windfall from the game last sunday would cover a fair bit of it.
I understand your point about less rugby clubs, but their club coaches get their directives from hq and they are trained in a specific way.
It is they who then instill that discipline at club level. They coach the tackle, skills, discipline. Only the captain can question or answer the ref, not everyone bawling and roaring at him.

I find that once a club gaa coach walks away from a mandatory coaching session they say " load of crap" and go back to their old ways.
I love GAA games but some of the stuff that goes on sidelines makes me cringe."
I love GAA games but some of the stuff that goes on sidelines makes me cringe.
StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:298 - 22/08/2017 15:42:49

Yes for years I have mentioned this to many many chairmen that have come through the system and many other people in the right position but no one takes notice. I feel bad behavior by coaches and managers on the side line and on the pitch should result in them losing they coaching badge and make them re sit six month later it might be a step in the right direction.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4479 - 22/08/2017 15:50:19    2036442

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Replying To seanorinn:  "I love GAA games but some of the stuff that goes on sidelines makes me cringe.
StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:298 - 22/08/2017 15:42:49

Yes for years I have mentioned this to many many chairmen that have come through the system and many other people in the right position but no one takes notice. I feel bad behavior by coaches and managers on the side line and on the pitch should result in them losing they coaching badge and make them re sit six month later it might be a step in the right direction."
In Mayo we have divisional matches starting in February north, south, east and west, county league matches start end March early April, championship end May, most of our pitches are swimming pools until mid June, having April as club month won't work, all that will happen is county players will go on holidays with the family, weddings involving county players or their families will take place in April, little or no club games will take place and guarantee by the time the All Ireland Final is played 99% of the counties still won't have played the club quarter finals

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:1092 - 02/10/2017 21:10:08 2052565


Sean aCara seo an fregra a bhi tu ag cuirtu
Sean my friend this is the answer that you are looking for Divisional teams away over in Mayo

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3197 - 03/10/2017 21:37:19    2052852

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club League should be finished before club championship or else have enough games left in the league to make it matter. Only 2 games left this year once championship is over and teams with nothing to gain won't fulfill the fixtures

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1360 - 04/10/2017 10:34:34    2052930

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "club League should be finished before club championship or else have enough games left in the league to make it matter. Only 2 games left this year once championship is over and teams with nothing to gain won't fulfill the fixtures"
League position should dictate what championship you play in.
Have league finished before Championship, Division 1 League plays Senior, Division 2 play Inter, Division 3 play Junior. This is the way Tyrone run theres. Makes for competitive league structure and a fairer structure as you are judged on 12 or 13 games and not just 3/4 in championship.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 150 - 04/10/2017 11:38:34    2052944

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "League position should dictate what championship you play in.
Have league finished before Championship, Division 1 League plays Senior, Division 2 play Inter, Division 3 play Junior. This is the way Tyrone run theres. Makes for competitive league structure and a fairer structure as you are judged on 12 or 13 games and not just 3/4 in championship."
Seems logical. What happens in Tyrone if you win the championship one year but get relegated from league next year? Do you get to defend your title or do you have to play in the lower grade for Championship?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1055 - 05/10/2017 14:44:56    2053317

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