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Tiered Leinster SHC

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Replying To legendzxix: "Just to say, I agree with this. In your example where Kerry happen to win the Joe Mac - the Joe Mac should reduce to 5 for a year, while Munster increases to 6. The Leinster championship should always remain at 8. The relegation final loser granted a relegation reprieve when a Munster county wins the Joe Mac. The main reason this format might not find favour with the powers that be is that the 4 power houses being in opposite groups means they are not playing each other as often as they might like. It's got to be a big influence behind the Nickey Brennan proposal where the top 4 are in the same group." My proposed group structure is based loosely on how we do seedings for the group draws of our own club championships in Wexford, albeit we have six per group rather than four. But basically, for the Leinster SHC this way, it would be: Pot 1: The two finalists of the previous year Pot 2: The two beaten semi-finalists of the previous year Pot 3: The two beaten quarter-finalists of the previous year Pot 4: The other two One from Pot 1 is drawn randomly into Group A, then one from Pot 2, etc., You're right that the finalists of one year can't meet in the group stage the following year, but it's far from unusual in sports for the top two seeds to be on opposite sides of the draw anyway. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4148 - 14/10/2026 21:33:01 2697351 Link
@legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10099 - 14/10/2026 16:30:18 Would a few tweaks improve the actual Proposal? ✓ Retain tiers A,B,C ✓ Group A) 5 teams; B) 3 teams; C) 5 teams ✓ All play 4-game round robins (B twice) ✓ Lein SFs (neutral venue, double header): 1v QF winner (6 hosts 4); 2v3 ✓ McD SFs: 7 hosts 10; 9 hosts 8 ✓ McD Relegation Final: 12v13 (neutral venue) omahant (USA) - Posts: 3604 - 15/10/2026 01:50:57 2697362 Link
@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4142 - 14/10/2026 21:33:01 But with Leinster's lack of depth, perhaps it's best avoiding "usual" groups. Rugby League World Cup has also loaded Group A fir the same reason. The actual Proposal has the 'top 4' playing each other (all 3 others); yours has them playing 1; and mine all 3 as well. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3604 - 15/10/2026 13:11:22 2697414 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "My proposed group structure is based loosely on how we do seedings for the group draws of our own club championships in Wexford, albeit we have six per group rather than four. But basically, for the Leinster SHC this way, it would be: Pot 1: The two finalists of the previous year Pot 2: The two beaten semi-finalists of the previous year Pot 3: The two beaten quarter-finalists of the previous year Pot 4: The other two One from Pot 1 is drawn randomly into Group A, then one from Pot 2, etc., You're right that the finalists of one year can't meet in the group stage the following year, but it's far from unusual in sports for the top two seeds to be on opposite sides of the draw anyway." If you look back to the previous league format - they kept the same groups for 2 years, reversing the home and away fixtures. Something like that would help for fair home and away game allocation across 2 years. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10102 - 15/10/2026 14:02:56 2697423 Link
Replying To omahant: "@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4142 - 14/10/2026 21:33:01 But with Leinster's lack of depth, perhaps it's best avoiding "usual" groups. Rugby League World Cup has also loaded Group A fir the same reason. The actual Proposal has the 'top 4' playing each other (all 3 others); yours has them playing 1; and mine all 3 as well." But going back to basics, and the notion (whether you agree with it or not) that second-tier counties need to regularly play first-tier ones in order to raise their standards: - The proposal on the table doesn't allow for that. Each year, just one of the sides who've been up and down from the McDonagh Cup to date will get a crack against a top four side at all, and they might never get a crack against one of the top two. - My proposal does allow for it. Also gives them appropriate other chances to avoid bottom spot and relegation danger. - Yours may allow for it too. But I still prefer mine to yours. :) By the way, not sure what your point is re. the Rugby World Cup. Australia were in Pot 2 (7th in the rankings). They had to be drawn against one of the top six. It just happened to be New Zealand. Could have been any of the others instead. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4148 - 15/10/2026 15:52:10 2697440 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "But going back to basics, and the notion (whether you agree with it or not) that second-tier counties need to regularly play first-tier ones in order to raise their standards: - The proposal on the table doesn't allow for that. Each year, just one of the sides who've been up and down from the McDonagh Cup to date will get a crack against a top four side at all, and they might never get a crack against one of the top two. - My proposal does allow for it. Also gives them appropriate other chances to avoid bottom spot and relegation danger. - Yours may allow for it too. But I still prefer mine to yours. :) By the way, not sure what your point is re. the Rugby World Cup. Australia were in Pot 2 (7th in the rankings). They had to be drawn against one of the top six. It just happened to be New Zealand. Could have been any of the others instead." He was talking about the Rugby League World Cup. There are plenty of Rugby people never heard of it either ;-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20829 - 15/10/2026 17:15:36 2697449 Link
Replying To omahant: "@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4142 - 14/10/2026 21:33:01 But with Leinster's lack of depth, perhaps it's best avoiding "usual" groups. Rugby League World Cup has also loaded Group A fir the same reason. The actual Proposal has the 'top 4' playing each other (all 3 others); yours has them playing 1; and mine all 3 as well." Except, no 3v4. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3604 - 15/10/2026 22:39:59 2697482 Link
Replying To Viking66: "He was talking about the Rugby League World Cup. There are plenty of Rugby people never heard of it either ;-)" This sent me scrambling for the finer details - WCRL 2008 "Super" Group A - 4 teams, 3 to SFs (4th out) Group B - 3 teams, 1 to SF Playoff (QF) Group C - 3 teams, 1 to SF Playoff (QF) ______ Actually, WCRL 2026 is Oct 15 (today) to Nov 15 Group A - 4 team round robin, top 2 to SFs (3rd & 4th out) Group B (3 teams) v Group C (3 teams), top 2 of 6 to SFs For Lein SHC, maybe a version of WCRL 2026? Add one team to each group above (13 total) Super A = 5 team round robin (4 games, 2 home/2 away) BvC = 4v4 teams (4 games, 2 home/2 away) QFs = A3 v BC2 (QF1); A4 v BC1 (QF2) SFs = A1 v QF2 winner; A2 v QF1 winner omahant (USA) - Posts: 3604 - 15/10/2026 23:44:58 2697486 Link
Replying To Viking66: "He was talking about the Rugby League World Cup. There are plenty of Rugby people never heard of it either ;-)" Ah. I missed the word "League" from his post and so was puzzled by it. Won't claim to know much (or even anything at all) about Rugby League, but have just looked up the structure of that tournament. All I'll say is it's like something he'd come up with all right. :D Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4148 - 16/10/2026 00:26:06 2697489 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Ah. I missed the word "League" from his post and so was puzzled by it. Won't claim to know much (or even anything at all) about Rugby League, but have just looked up the structure of that tournament. All I'll say is it's like something he'd come up with all right. :D" :-D Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20829 - 16/10/2026 10:17:08 2697502 Link