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Replying To Boynerover:  "You did in earlier message , €13m you said"
No according to what I hear they have sought €8 million on government funding as per below...

Replying To Richieq: "The aim of the house draw was to make a complete profit of €1 million, that target is still very much achievable, as said elsewhere a lot of people bought the three tickets for €250 online at the start and that was always going to have a knock on effect. Croke Park have committed €4 million and Leinster Council €1 million and hopefully the funding under the Large Scale Sports Infrastructure fund will be what was asked for which I believe was in the region of €8 million. All these things are in train and no development work can begin until the government funding is announced, that is a condition. No point adopting a negative attitude to this, if everyone does their bit then Phase 1 will be up and running very soon."

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 20/10/2019 18:45:03    2244591

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Replying To Richieq:  "No according to what I hear they have sought €8 million on government funding as per below...

Replying To Richieq: "The aim of the house draw was to make a complete profit of €1 million, that target is still very much achievable, as said elsewhere a lot of people bought the three tickets for €250 online at the start and that was always going to have a knock on effect. Croke Park have committed €4 million and Leinster Council €1 million and hopefully the funding under the Large Scale Sports Infrastructure fund will be what was asked for which I believe was in the region of €8 million. All these things are in train and no development work can begin until the government funding is announced, that is a condition. No point adopting a negative attitude to this, if everyone does their bit then Phase 1 will be up and running very soon.""
Croke Park has not committed €4m , they have committed 25% of €10m project.
So please get you facts correct.
There is no condition on works starting only the Meath GAA have no money to start.
Tender process can't be started until county has a budget to work to and contractor appointed , county board accounts to be released to clubs will also be a factor.
House Draw will not achieve €1m going on announcement of €300,000 sales in last draw.

Boynerover (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 20/10/2019 19:09:36    2244600

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Seamus Kenny was on the We are Meath subscription podcast. And in reference to Pairc Tailteann he said that government funding announcement has been pushed back but is due to be done in December. Then if funding is secured, it would go to tender which would take 3 months and then all going well work begins Spring of 2020

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 889 - 02/12/2019 17:12:12    2252743

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Replying To Boynerover:  "Croke Park has not committed €4m , they have committed 25% of €10m project.
So please get you facts correct.
There is no condition on works starting only the Meath GAA have no money to start.
Tender process can't be started until county has a budget to work to and contractor appointed , county board accounts to be released to clubs will also be a factor.
House Draw will not achieve €1m going on announcement of €300,000 sales in last draw."
Was at the county convention on Monday evening . Quite incredible . Barely a mention of Park Tailteann ,except for a delegate who asked them to explain how we have spent over 800 k on surveys and consultants without putting a spade in the ground .... No answer forthcoming ,but at least a bit of embarrassment .
No mention of O Halloran episode and has been airbrushed , but a bit of bitterness remains that the proceedings were leaked to the press . The supposed leakers were re elected to the new board so expect some fireworks . Huge money being spent on teams .... Over 800 k ...... .
Gate receipts were slightly up ....340 k football and 115 k for hurling

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 151 - 18/12/2019 17:37:01    2255512

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Replying To noluso:  "Was at the county convention on Monday evening . Quite incredible . Barely a mention of Park Tailteann ,except for a delegate who asked them to explain how we have spent over 800 k on surveys and consultants without putting a spade in the ground .... No answer forthcoming ,but at least a bit of embarrassment .
No mention of O Halloran episode and has been airbrushed , but a bit of bitterness remains that the proceedings were leaked to the press . The supposed leakers were re elected to the new board so expect some fireworks . Huge money being spent on teams .... Over 800 k ...... .
Gate receipts were slightly up ....340 k football and 115 k for hurling"
Much as I'd love to moan about it, for an 8 figure project the size of Páirc Tailteann, spending €800'000 on planning and consultancy isn't excessive or unusual.

The sheer volume of surveys, feasibility studies, business plans, proof you're meeting the local development and spatial plans etc. that's required for planning and government funding just gets more and more every year.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1430 - 19/12/2019 14:42:11    2255601

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Much as I'd love to moan about it, for an 8 figure project the size of Páirc Tailteann, spending €800'000 on planning and consultancy isn't excessive or unusual.

The sheer volume of surveys, feasibility studies, business plans, proof you're meeting the local development and spatial plans etc. that's required for planning and government funding just gets more and more every year."
What's most annoying is that we, along with Kildare and Waterford, are still waiting on the government to announce funding, probably will come out with it Monday and make themselves look great before Christmas or else they will wait until just before an election is called in the new year, thinking of themselves before others of course.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 19/12/2019 16:27:00    2255608

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Forgive my stupidity but weren't we supposed to be starting construction on phase one once the championships were over.

I mean its truly baffling and i'd have some reservations on
1) has a final design been submitted and approved
2) they've almost made the draw for the third house yet I'm not sure if we've any idea how much money has been raised.
3) has a final figure been agreed on for the first phase of the redevelopment and which part of the ground it will be done on
4) has any consideration or provision for proper floodlighting being incorporated into the cost.

Its a shame to see our county grounds being in the absolute state of rack and ruin they're currently in. Its an absolute eyesore but to give the board their credit at least they've not spent beyond their means like so many others have leaving us with a white elephant which is never full and meaning we can't invest in grass roots games.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 19/12/2019 17:51:52    2255620

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Replying To brian:  "Forgive my stupidity but weren't we supposed to be starting construction on phase one once the championships were over.

I mean its truly baffling and i'd have some reservations on
1) has a final design been submitted and approved
2) they've almost made the draw for the third house yet I'm not sure if we've any idea how much money has been raised.
3) has a final figure been agreed on for the first phase of the redevelopment and which part of the ground it will be done on
4) has any consideration or provision for proper floodlighting being incorporated into the cost.

Its a shame to see our county grounds being in the absolute state of rack and ruin they're currently in. Its an absolute eyesore but to give the board their credit at least they've not spent beyond their means like so many others have leaving us with a white elephant which is never full and meaning we can't invest in grass roots games."
As far as I am aware;

1) Yes full planning permission approved for entire ground
2) Haven't heard what profit of house draw so far is
3) haven't heard exact figure but it is to start on existing terrace side
4) Floodlight reinstatement is part of Phase 1

Again it's my information that nothing can start until the aforementioned government funding has been allocated, that's why neither Kildare or Waterford have started either, when they stop dragging their feet then things will become a lot clearer I would think. Even if announced before the end of the year work wouldn't commence until after the league and possibly until after the championship as if Meath get to the Super 8's again we would have a home match to host and capacity would need to be maintained.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 19/12/2019 19:01:14    2255625

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Replying To Richieq:  "As far as I am aware;

1) Yes full planning permission approved for entire ground
2) Haven't heard what profit of house draw so far is
3) haven't heard exact figure but it is to start on existing terrace side
4) Floodlight reinstatement is part of Phase 1

Again it's my information that nothing can start until the aforementioned government funding has been allocated, that's why neither Kildare or Waterford have started either, when they stop dragging their feet then things will become a lot clearer I would think. Even if announced before the end of the year work wouldn't commence until after the league and possibly until after the championship as if Meath get to the Super 8's again we would have a home match to host and capacity would need to be maintained."
when the Grant was to come in October or at least the announcement the work was to begin in May .... now its moved to December at best (running out of time now) I take it the whole lot moves to July at best. All the while the costs rise no fault of Meath GAA.

What puzzles me is how was there ever any thoughts of how to even start before the sudden appearance of the Government Grants ?

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 471 - 19/12/2019 20:29:37    2255635

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Much as I'd love to moan about it, for an 8 figure project the size of Páirc Tailteann, spending €800'000 on planning and consultancy isn't excessive or unusual.

The sheer volume of surveys, feasibility studies, business plans, proof you're meeting the local development and spatial plans etc. that's required for planning and government funding just gets more and more every year."
Not sure what planet you are on. What has been spent on planning is indeed excessive. Why plan for 4 stands when even CP does have that. Terraces at both end are more than sufficient. Unfortunately there appears little development personnel experience involved. I would love to see development of this project as it has:
a) location is excellent within 2km of a motorway, 0.5km of slip road to motorway and within 1hour of 7/8 counties
b) Pt has an exceptional history -read Mick O' Brien's history of same.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2224 - 20/12/2019 01:16:39    2255653

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We don't have a penny in the bank and with the house draw fiasco not much chance of getting any soon. How on a 16million project can we spent 800k on planning, and we're not finished yet

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 328 - 20/12/2019 12:05:42    2255682

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Replying To latouche25:  "We don't have a penny in the bank and with the house draw fiasco not much chance of getting any soon. How on a 16million project can we spent 800k on planning, and we're not finished yet"
Hear hear

Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 199 - 20/12/2019 15:54:11    2255698

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Replying To latouche25:  "We don't have a penny in the bank and with the house draw fiasco not much chance of getting any soon. How on a 16million project can we spent 800k on planning, and we're not finished yet"
The feasibility and planning was for the entire stadium, the first phase to include a 7000 seater stand and floodlights and other minor improvements is rumoured to be costing anywhere between 10 and 14 million, haven't heard definite price yet.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 22/12/2019 16:03:18    2255892

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Replying To Richieq:  "The feasibility and planning was for the entire stadium, the first phase to include a 7000 seater stand and floodlights and other minor improvements is rumoured to be costing anywhere between 10 and 14 million, haven't heard definite price yet."
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Everything about this project is farcical. It is looking more like the children's hospital every day. How can we build a stadium if we have no idea what it will cost. To say that phase one could cost between 10 and 14m says it all. That's a 40% variation. I'm not sure if you ever built anything but nobody would have a variation like that on any project. Imagine going into your local bank with figures like that. Where exactly are you pulling these figures from.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 328 - 22/12/2019 18:30:24    2255913

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Replying To latouche25:  "I'm not sure what you're talking about. Everything about this project is farcical. It is looking more like the children's hospital every day. How can we build a stadium if we have no idea what it will cost. To say that phase one could cost between 10 and 14m says it all. That's a 40% variation. I'm not sure if you ever built anything but nobody would have a variation like that on any project. Imagine going into your local bank with figures like that. Where exactly are you pulling these figures from."
Have to agree. Sounds like bar room talk gone too far. Does anyone involved have even an iota of expertise? Can there be such a variation? Why don't we know final cost? Ive said from the start that the project is way too ambitious and has smell of a white elephant off it, even if built.

Could we not just install proper floodlights (it's 2019 lads, they aren't that expensive or hard to find!), change the roof on the main stand and install better seats. Then maybe cover the middle section of the far terrace (between the 45 yard lines even) and install some seats under it. Job done. That would cost less than 10 million and could be a nice tidy job.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1008 - 22/12/2019 22:28:51    2255928

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Replying To latouche25:  "I'm not sure what you're talking about. Everything about this project is farcical. It is looking more like the children's hospital every day. How can we build a stadium if we have no idea what it will cost. To say that phase one could cost between 10 and 14m says it all. That's a 40% variation. I'm not sure if you ever built anything but nobody would have a variation like that on any project. Imagine going into your local bank with figures like that. Where exactly are you pulling these figures from."
Comparing PT to the children's hospital is more farcical than anything else, I don't believe the actual cost of phase 1 is definitively known, people have mentioned figures ranging from 10-14 million, including people I spoke to on the finance committee, but the county board haven't stated a figure to my knowledge but then again the job hasn't been put out to actual tender, expressions of interest have been sought and the tender will be sent to those interested parties for pricing, again nothing can be done, not even putting the job to tender, until government decide to announce the funding under the LSSIF, the county boards hands are currently tied until that is announced

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 23/12/2019 00:54:59    2255938

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Have to agree. Sounds like bar room talk gone too far. Does anyone involved have even an iota of expertise? Can there be such a variation? Why don't we know final cost? Ive said from the start that the project is way too ambitious and has smell of a white elephant off it, even if built.

Could we not just install proper floodlights (it's 2019 lads, they aren't that expensive or hard to find!), change the roof on the main stand and install better seats. Then maybe cover the middle section of the far terrace (between the 45 yard lines even) and install some seats under it. Job done. That would cost less than 10 million and could be a nice tidy job."
I'd understand your point if we were flattening the entire thing and starting from scratch. But the development of the stadium is going to be done 1 stand at a time. So we won't see those 4 stands for a long long time. While I do have a problem with the lack of transparency re. the government grant and which side of the stadium would be developed first. I don't have a problem with trying to get a full 4 sided covered stands stadium which would be the first of it's kind in the GAA. Once we do it piece by piece and don't overstretch ourselves to do it

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 889 - 23/12/2019 11:04:25    2255954

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Have to agree. Sounds like bar room talk gone too far. Does anyone involved have even an iota of expertise? Can there be such a variation? Why don't we know final cost? Ive said from the start that the project is way too ambitious and has smell of a white elephant off it, even if built.

Could we not just install proper floodlights (it's 2019 lads, they aren't that expensive or hard to find!), change the roof on the main stand and install better seats. Then maybe cover the middle section of the far terrace (between the 45 yard lines even) and install some seats under it. Job done. That would cost less than 10 million and could be a nice tidy job."
Not to be disrespectful, but the last work done on the ground was in the 80's, the whole place needs to be raised to the ground. I agree it needs to be done step by step and one stand at a time so we're not overly stretched financially. Getting floodlights won't be an easy thing either. Look at what we spent on the ones which then had to be taken down and i believe they're still out the back of the main stand as we can't sell them.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 23/12/2019 16:03:06    2255996

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I'd be quite happy to have no floodlights when the ground is done up.

The pitch is in much better condition now that there's only games there at weekends and no training during the spring midweek which wouldn't be the case if lights were back up.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 772 - 23/12/2019 16:18:10    2255997

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Replying To Richieq:  "Comparing PT to the children's hospital is more farcical than anything else, I don't believe the actual cost of phase 1 is definitively known, people have mentioned figures ranging from 10-14 million, including people I spoke to on the finance committee, but the county board haven't stated a figure to my knowledge but then again the job hasn't been put out to actual tender, expressions of interest have been sought and the tender will be sent to those interested parties for pricing, again nothing can be done, not even putting the job to tender, until government decide to announce the funding under the LSSIF, the county boards hands are currently tied until that is announced"
You're making no sense, if the job has not gone to tender and nobody on the finance committee knows what phase one will cost, then why are you talking about 10 to 14m.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 328 - 23/12/2019 17:32:26    2256016

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