Soma mod and mediaman - if rte was really that pro rugby biased as you make out - they would pay the extra money and buy the rights for champions cup, pro 12, rugby world cup and 6 nations - but they dont - i bet when the 6 nations goes from rte there will still be people whinging on this site that rte are showing too much rugby

rte cover rugby because people are interested in it as they are in hurling football soccer and other sports , have a look at the top 20 tv ratings and tellme people aint interested, there is plenty of rugby and gaa on telly via rte,bbc,tg4 and sky to keep us all happy- and if there aint enough on the box you can actually go watch a game or better still participate

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 12/01/2016 17:08:30    1816113

Do you think that a collision in amateur hurling or Gaelic football is as intense as professional rugby? Why is it always Rugby or the media to blame when an unsavoury incident at a GAA match gets media exposure but the GAA PR people are the wronged party? Why don't Mediaman supporters here discuss the fact he seems to know nothing about any sport?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8185 - 12/01/2016 19:33:55    1816159

RTE 6.01 News and Sport reflects the thinking of our National broadcaster more than any other programme. The time allocated to different sports indicates the preferences of the journalists involved and it is for that reason that football and hurling are treated so unfairly. Here are the figures for December.

Total time devoted to RTE 6.01 Sport in December - 149 minutes.
1. Soccer - 59 minutes 20 seconds (40%)
2. Rugby Union - 24 minutes 55 seconds (17%)
3. Horse Racing - 21 minutes 35 seconds (14%)
4. Gaelic Games - 18 minutes (12%)

The website figures are equally revealing.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 12/01/2016 20:39:20    1816183

Revealing you know nothing about any sport. 100%

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8185 - 12/01/2016 21:24:09    1816193

Janesboro
Please explain how it is poorly constructed - i did endeavour to give a breakdown - i note while you seemed to question my computation i did ask you to give me the correct figures -with none forthcoming

Your argument is that because there are more live games shown in the 4 combined sports of gaelic football, hurling, camogie and ladies football than there are live men and womens rugby games shown it is obvious there is no bias. To give you an idea of where you are going wrong here, in 2014 a total of 178 adult women in Connacht played some form of a rugby game, far less than the number of adult women who played a game of ladies football in Leitrim alone in the same year. Yet it is womens rugby which gets the far greater level of exposure on RTE.

I Mention this point as you argued that the cameras hone in on hurling and football incidents and didnt do so in rugby - I am giving an example of where the cameras really hone in on foul play in rugby- you say they dont hone in - i show examples where they do - maybe your arguement is poorer on this one

Are you suggesting that RTE would only be demonstratably biased if they didn't show TMO incidents during a game of rugby? If you read all the posts on this topic you will see that an Ulster rugby player was suspended after choking an opponent in a tackle resulting in the player losing consciousness. RTE neither reported the citing nor the suspension - do you honestly believe if a similar incident happened in an intercounty football game it would not have made the news?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/esri-study-shows-gaa-enduring-alarming-player-drain-253139.html
according to this article albeit dated - the Gaa is having a fall off in player numbers too, - hurling and football attendances have dropped a bit since their heyday in the 90s still excellent though - maybe these are not problems exclusive to rugby

Not sure about the accuracy of your figures on hurling and football attendances dropping. If I am reading the link correctly it shows that the GAA lose a huge number of players between the age of 18-22, rather than an overall loss of adult players. This is understandable as many kids with little interest in sport play with their club up through the age grades anyway as it is a chance to be with their mates and without them there may not be the numbers to field a team. The fact the GAA get these kids involved and keep them for so long is to the organisations credit and shows why a strong GAA is so important for the overall health of the nation. The fall-off in playing numbers with rugby I mentioned earlier refers to overall participation rates. IRFU accounts show that in 2011 just over 30,000 adults, male and female, played some game of rugby during the season - last year this figure was just over 17,000 which is an amazing level of reduction. This drop in participation is obviously bad for rugby and the country as a whole, and suggests that Guinness and Jamie Heaslip might have been a little off when they declared "This is rugby country", but RTE seem to still believe in the message.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 13/01/2016 12:38:11    1816302

Soma
Yet it is womens rugby which gets the far greater level of exposure on RTE.
Yeah one game - massive , besides there excellent ladies football coverage on TG4, camogie (which i love due to skill level) be better off giving their games to TG4 as well, so no need for RTE to do it. - Funny thing is TG4 show more rugby than RTE (one pro12 game per week plus 3 knock outs) plus 20s world cup plus champions cup.

Are you suggesting that RTE would only be demonstratably biased if they didn't show TMO incidents during a game of rugby?
no- i am just suggesting that foul play incidents are honed in on thats all
re alan o'connor - was reported on rte website
http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/pro12/2014/1015/652573-ulsters-oconnor-handed-three-week-ban/

While I do think GAA attendances have dropped certainly since the 90s - even since mid noughties, I have to agree with everything else in your last paragraph. Fall off in player numbers a big issue for all sports. Never really agreed with the "rugby country" messages just saw it as advertising blurb , a few specific areas in the country are hotbeds ok but even in limerick hurling is king When im on hols in ireland during summer i find it hard at times to find pubs showing summer tours or tri nations games, whereas in limerick its taken for granted a pub would show it

as for RTE believing the message - they only show games because people are watching if people didnt watch or show interest they wouldnt cover.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 13/01/2016 13:29:21    1816323

Janesboro
Yeah one game - massive , besides there excellent ladies football coverage on TG4, camogie (which i love due to skill level) be better off giving their games to TG4 as well, so no need for RTE to do it.
Its not just the games though Janesboro, as pointed out the only female on the end of year RTE sports quiz was a rugby player, while RTE news tends to feature womens rugby stories far more frequently that you would expect such a minority sport to be covered. The biggest attendance in Europe for a womens sporting event in 2015 was for the ladies football finals in Croke Park - considering Ireland is a small island that is something it should be massively proud of. Would it not have been a decent gesture to have one of the participants on the end of year sports quiz then to acknowledge and celebrate that fact? Second on the list was the womens FA Cup final, which BBC show live and give a lot of exposure to in the build up as part of their campaign to inspire more girls to become involved in sport. The sporting event in Ireland last year with the greatest overall attendance was the football championship, there was no representative from that either on the end of year quiz. The fact you think camogie should just give their games to TG4 so there is 'no need for RTE to do it' seems to be bizarre - with attendance figures that are the best in Europe, would it not be better to suggest RTE compete with TG4 for the ladies football rights and build on the success of the games?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 13/01/2016 14:33:23    1816341

Sorry soma i mispunctuated i should have said Yet it is womens rugby which gets the far greater level of exposure on RTE. 
Yeah one game - massive , besides there excellent ladies football coverage on TG4, so no need for RTE to do it (THE FOOTBALL I MEANT) - camogie (which i love due to skill level) be better off giving their games to TG4 as well,

Given that Tg4 do a fine job with club and league hurling and football, ladies football and rugby they would probably do a great job with camogie and for an added bonus help promote the irish language -anyway from 2018 onwards RTE wont even show six nations so will only be showing autumn internationals - so you will be happy out with their level of rugby coverage.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 13/01/2016 15:22:46    1816350

Those revealing RTE website details for December show that of the Top 20 stories at 10pm each day Soccer received 800% more coverage and Rugby Union 200% more coverage than Gaelic Games. The total for 31 days was 620.

1. Soccer - 307 of 620 posts - (49%)
2. Rugby Union - 74 of 620 posts (12%)
3. Gaelic Games - 39 of 620 posts (6%)

PS. Lovely to see so many Rugby Union followers supporting the thread.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 13/01/2016 19:54:48    1816433

There are 10 matches tonight, 6 football and 4 hurling. Not one was mentioned on this evening's RTE 6.01 News and Sport. Thankfully we can rely on the Hoganstand Match Tracker to find out what is going on.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 13/01/2016 20:20:38    1816440

PS. Lovely to see so many Rugby Union followers supporting the thread.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:267 - 13/01/2016 19:54:48 1816433

I'd actually much prefer if they were following threads on a rugby forum and leave here for GAA people

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 14/01/2016 11:54:52    1816558

"Those revealing RTE website details for December show that of the Top 20 stories at 10pm each day Soccer received 800% more coverage and Rugby Union 200% more coverage than Gaelic Games"

And most of those soccer features are not Irish.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 14/01/2016 13:25:33    1816588

PS. Lovely to see so many Rugby Union followers supporting the thread.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:267 - 13/01/2016 19:54:48 1816433

I'd actually much prefer if they were following threads on a rugby forum and leave here for GAA people

benched (Tyrone) - Posts:204 - 14/01/2016 11:54:52 1816558People can support and follow more than 1 sport and sporting organisation you know...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/01/2016 13:32:42    1816592

Spot on Ormo. People aren't reserved to one sport, in fact i'll watch most things that have a ball or some form of movement. 2008 i stayed up in the middle of the night watching walking and the marathon swimming stuff. I'd imagine that there are many more like me who will watch any sport.

In saying that test cricket sends me to sleep.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/01/2016 15:08:39    1816632

That's all very well and indeed I have more than a passing interest in other sports myself but I don't go on forums for soccer, racing etc. and talk about nothing but the GAA.
Not you obviously Gotmilk as you are often to be found commenting on GAA matters, but honestly Ormond do you ever comment on anything here unless its related to rugby? The only other thread I can think of you commenting on lately was the Money Divided Equally thread and that was only to tell us how the rugger crew conduct their affairs.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 15/01/2016 13:26:10    1816862

15/01/2016 13:26:10 benched (Tyrone) - Posts:205 -
That's all very well and indeed I have more than a passing interest in other sports myself but I don't go on forums for soccer, racing etc. and talk about nothing but the GAA.
Not you obviously Gotmilk as you are often to be found commenting on GAA matters, but honestly Ormond do you ever comment on anything here unless its related to rugby? The only other thread I can think of you commenting on lately was the Money Divided Equally thread and that was only to tell us how the rugger crew conduct their affairs.I always am commenting on threads that discuss topics other than rugby

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/01/2016 15:59:42    1816908

Q: Ormond do you ever comment on anything here unless its related to rugby? The only other thread I can think of you commenting on lately was the Money Divided Equally thread and that was only to tell us how the rugger crew conduct their affairs."

A: I always am commenting on threads that discuss topics other than rugby

There you have it. Can't argue with that. Case dismissed!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 15/01/2016 16:30:12    1816919

If you bothered to look Keeper you'd see Ormond posts on plenty of sports here

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8185 - 15/01/2016 21:44:00    1816976

15/01/2016 16:30:12 keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:2593
Q: Ormond do you ever comment on anything here unless its related to rugby? The only other thread I can think of you commenting on lately was the Money Divided Equally thread and that was only to tell us how the rugger crew conduct their affairs."

A: I always am commenting on threads that discuss topics other than rugby

There you have it. Can't argue with that. Case dismissed!Read the other sports forum and you will see im always discussing other sports

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/01/2016 16:51:50    1817029

I wish the League was up and running and then we would have something worthwhile to talk/argue about.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/01/2016 17:10:59    1817037