clondalkindub counties are free to use any system they want to select a club team to represent the county at provincial level. There is no requirement for them to win any championship.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 979 - 20/10/2014 13:42:43    1665458

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When you look at the situation in other counties like Armagh, Galway and Roscommon, with one club dominating and terribly one sided finals, maybe more counties should consider having divisional teams. I think the competitive club scene is a major reason for Kerrys intercounty success.

A tad simplistic. Dr Crokes won 4 in a row up to this year. They annihilated Austin Stacks in last year's county final. If Stacks don't win next Sunday, Crokes go back in as Kerry representatives.

Cork also has divisional sides and a more even spread of winners. Why are we not successful if it is a major factor?

Kerry organize their championships well and that might be a factor. I also think that all players in all clubs should get an opportunity to play at a high level.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 20/10/2014 14:03:10    1665466

There's the County Championship with the senior clubs and divisional clubs. There's also the Senior Club Championship with the clubs only. Dr Crokes won the Senior Club Championship yesterday. Austin Stacks and Mid Kerry will compete in the County Championship final next Sunday.

So is it the winner of the County Championship that plays in Munster? or less its a divisional club in which case the winners of the club championship proceed?

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 20/10/2014 14:04:39    1665468

With 37 Ais and very healthy playing numbers it hard to imagine how anyone could mock how kerry do things.

As long as I have been on here I have been asking for amalgamations or other means to get players from small clubs playing at the highest level within my own county. If it good enough for kerry.........

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 20/10/2014 14:27:17    1665484

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There's the County Championship with the senior clubs and divisional clubs. There's also the Senior Club Championship with the clubs only. Dr Crokes won the Senior Club Championship yesterday. Austin Stacks and Mid Kerry will compete in the County Championship final next Sunday.

So is it the winner of the County Championship that plays in Munster? or less its a divisional club in which case the winners of the club championship proceed?

jaysus talk about convoluted

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 20/10/2014 14:32:35    1665487

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Dr Crokes won the Senior Club final yesterday. If Mid Kerry beat Austin Stacks in next weekend's County final, Dr Crokes will be in the Munster Championship!

that has to be the most ridiculous championship going

You'd be better off picking a name out of a hat or something ;-)


hahaha your right there tom
maybe they could get the healy raes to pick it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 14:41:28    1665494

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How is it ridiculous? As long as Divisional teams are not allowed represent counties in provincial championships then some other way of picking a representative club has to be found.
All senior clubs in Kerry enter the club championship and it gives that competition added meaning if the winners have a chance of going on to Munster cship.

The only other option would be to put through the last club team standing in the county cship - Austin Stacks this year- but that would get messy if say 2 club teams lost to divisional teams at the semifinal stage and you would need a playoff.


why dont they just have a club championship like all the other counties
well i thaught thats how all the other counties worked
let all the clubs just play makes sense to me.
always disagreed with ucd playing in our championship as they were allowed play for their own clubs back home too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 14:43:39    1665496

so whats happen if mid kerry, north kerry, south kerry and the back garden kerry all meet in the semi finals
do they continue playing the thing seen as none of them can actually represent KERRY
they may aswell just restart the whole thing again to make sure they get a club team at that rate

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 14:47:49    1665498

Kerry can manage to run off a county championship with divisional amalgamations, a club championship and a county league while other counties whose county teams were knocked out months before Kerry won't have their champions crowned in time for them to enter the provincial championships. They must be doing something right. Fair play to them.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 20/10/2014 14:48:50    1665500

There is a thread on the structure of county championships. why is this thread being destroyed when we should be talking about county finals and provincial games that will take place or has taken place.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 20/10/2014 14:48:56    1665501

beir nua
they probably play club championship games regardless of county players being available
thats what i have always maintained should happen across the board.
club teams are left waiting around in a lot of counties becuase they have 1 player involved in a county team
that guy is getting to train and play football while the other 25 guys in his club sit around without a match
if they bring the club scene to a calendar year they will have to this then.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 15:10:18    1665522

County Championships have been around long before the provincial and all-Ireland series began. East Kerry won the first All-Ireland club championship. Disionanal clubs weren't allowed some time after that.

The club championship only came along some time after for the clubs. It's established at this stage but naturally does not carry the prestige of the county championship.

Rather amusing to see people unable to comprehend the two championships.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8781 - 20/10/2014 21:16:11    1665645

I don't see the point of having two championships. If clubs have to amalgamate to play senior championship football then they should be playing intermediate not senior. And then having a winner who can't represent Kerry in Munster. Totally ridiculous.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3028 - 21/10/2014 12:05:25    1665727

becuase its pointless legend
what do mid kerry get out of winning kerry if they cannot represent them?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 12:13:54    1665731

Ah, they win the County Championship. I can't speak of other county championships if that prize is not an achievement for them.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8781 - 21/10/2014 16:16:18    1665816

I still think its a hollow victory legend.
Divisional sides where the best players of certain areas are cherry picked shouldn't be all owed to stop a club team from winning a county title. Its unfair on the club team.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 21/10/2014 16:23:45    1665822

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Ah, they win the County Championship. I can't speak of other county championships if that prize is not an achievement for them.

yeah but not with their own club, like its just a pick of players isnt it, they dont rain all year together?
it must be like winning the current railway cup for them guys

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 16:56:15    1665833

It would be a good idea to try it in Laois where Portlaoise have a population maybe 20 times that of most clubs and the championship is a pointless exercise at this stage.
The Kerry championship is won by club teams more often than divisional so at least it is competitive.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 979 - 21/10/2014 16:58:47    1665835

It may be competitive but the club players lose out due to the amalgamations. Did the GAA not make a ruling that only winning championship teams can represent their counties in the provincials? Because of this ruling neither Wexford or Tipperary will have representatives in their respective provinces this year. So Kerry are obviously excluded from this rule when a divisional team wins the Championship.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3028 - 21/10/2014 18:15:07    1665880

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I still think its a hollow victory legend.
Divisional sides where the best players of certain areas are cherry picked shouldn't be all owed to stop a club team from winning a county title. Its unfair on the club team.

These players from junior and intermediate clubs also must play with their junior and intermediate clubs. They do not play in the county senior league. In general it is very hard for them to organize themselves these days. They are at a disadvantage against senior clubs in reality. They provide very good players from junior and intermediate clubs the chance to play senior championship.

Ironically teams like UCC, CIT UL and UCD are problematic as they are players that are assembled from a variety of clubs but are still treated like a club. To me they should not be allowed to enter a county a championship (just my opinion) as all the players have the option play senior championship with their divsions or in other counties.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/10/2014 20:31:31    1665941