12/06/2014 13:05:04 hill16no1man
JP91 yeah because they are not good enough
so therefore rugby clubs in this country are the provinces
thats my point They could have been in some cases. Shannon were 4 in a row all Ireland league winners in late 90s and had large number of guys who went on to do well with Munster but it wouldn't have been viable for financial reasons
And its as JP91 says.
12/06/2014 13:25:49 JP91
That doesn't stack up. It's the equivalent of saying the counties are the clubs in the GAA as the likes of Crossmaglen etc are not good enough to compete in the All-Ireland championship.
Rugby provinces are very similar to the counties in the GAA, picking the best players from the clubs available to them. The one big exception of course is that the provinces can buy in players from abroad. +1

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/06/2014 14:04:05    1602656

What is this 'radio' you speak of Muckross, round these parts its called a wireless and we often tune in to that station called Athlone!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 12/06/2014 14:16:57    1602665

JP91

not true because
the fact they play in the european club compeitions
against club teams from the other countries
if shannon were to play saracens they would got hockeyed
they are both clubs at the end of the day

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/06/2014 18:35:50    1602807

ah ormond
its all because they knew they wouldnt be succesful with anything more then 4 teams in this country simple as
you can have millions in london all you want but they can only play 15 players the same as shannon or clontarf could

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/06/2014 18:37:57    1602808

hill16no1man Agree 100% re rugby club farce. It is the equivalent of Munster putting in a team in the All Ireland Club Championship A Munster team that is bolstered by buying in the best players from the other clubs. The fact is Eng and French clubs dont really rate the Hino. They are much more concerned with their domestic league. The lad who went over to Racing Metro said as much (unfortunately I cannot find the quote) Soccer clubs here dont engage in similar nonsence there is no All Leinster or All Munster Team in the European Cup. This wouldnt bother me that much but for the biased coverage of rugby on RTE the Cavan v Armagh fracas was shown again on RTE News tonight. That makes it 4 times by my count. 9 oclock on Sun; 6 oclock on Mon; 6oclock on Wed; and 6oclock on Thurs. It may have been shown on other news bulletins. You dont see rugby fracas repeated like that. I note from @rtewatch on twitter that this is the 11th negative mention of GAA on RTE this year and there has been only one negative report on rugby. We all pay the licence fee.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 12/06/2014 19:29:03    1602838

Well if all this negative stuff is coming out from RTE about the GAA. Then surely it is a good thing SKY have came in as all they have done is build it up and tried to promote it.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 12/06/2014 20:02:38    1602848

12/06/2014 18:35:50 hill16no1man
JP91 not true because the fact they play in the european club compeitions against club teams from the other countries
if shannon were to play saracens they would got hockeyed they are both clubs at the end of the daytalking rubbish on rugby as usual
They wouldn't have really especially at time European Cup was created Shannon had a very strong team that included Mick Galway, Anthony Foley and several others who were key to Munster in time that they rose to top tier of European rugby
Munster playing as a whole had a very long history and was a distinct team and they just started playing more often as time went on.
12/06/2014 18:37:57 hill16no1man
ah Ormond its all because they knew they wouldnt be succesful with anything more then 4 teams in this country simple as
you can have millions in london all you want but they can only play 15 players the same as shannon or clontarf couldIts fairly comprehendible to most intelligent people that the bigger population base you have the better team you will have and better squad you will have more often than not.
We wouldn't have been as successful with a lot more than 4 teams but we could have fielded 1/2 more but where would you base them? Nowhere proper to base them with the other 4 being based on the historical provinces
12/06/2014 19:29:03 mod
hill16no1man Agree 100% re rugby club farce. It is the equivalent of Munster putting in a team in the All Ireland Club Championship A Munster team that is bolstered by buying in the best players from the other clubs. The fact is Eng and French clubs dont really rate the Hino. They are much more concerned with their domestic league. The lad who went over to Racing Metro said as much (unfortunately I cannot find the quote) Soccer clubs here dont engage in similar nonsence there is no All Leinster or All Munster Team in the European Cup. This wouldnt bother me that much but for the biased coverage of rugby on RTE the Cavan v Armagh fracas was shown again on RTE News tonight. That makes it 4 times by my count. 9 oclock on Sun; 6 oclock on Mon; 6oclock on Wed; and 6oclock on Thurs. It may have been shown on other news bulletins. You dont see rugby fracas repeated like that. I note from @rtewatch on twitter that this is the 11th negative mention of GAA on RTE this year and there has been only one negative report on rugby. We all pay the licence fee. Of course you agree with a ridiculous anti rugby post as you are so bigoted against anything relating to rugby.
English and French teams do rate the European competitions. Some French teams on occasion will rate the race for the bouclier de brennus higher but not many do and the top teams like Toulouse, Toulon(first year apart) and Clermont never did.
Showing Cavan/Armagh doesn't have anything to do with rugby not in the slightest.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/06/2014 21:34:32    1602884

ormond

no its not populaion means nothing when you consider
that rugby teams buy players in from everywhere
so having a huge population in london sure most of them probably arent from londond anyway
its about money end of
look at toulon sure

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 09:14:24    1602936

no its not populaion means nothing when you consider
that rugby teams buy players in from everywhere
so having a huge population in london sure most of them probably arent from londond anyway
its about money end of
look at toulon sure

Aye its about money, but money comes from supporters. Not just in terms of gate receipts, but jersey sales and sponsorship. Even Toulon has a population of over half a million, Limerick has 100,000. Shannon would not be able to compete at European level, perhaps in the past but not now. They simply wouldn't have the support to pay competitive wages and retain their best players.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 13/06/2014 10:13:24    1602961

Came to this topic to see what was been talked about, as usual as soon as I see Ormond I expect rugby all over the thread and low and behold.........

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 13/06/2014 10:33:10    1602982

ormond

so now im anti rugby thats the latest anti I am this week
so anti rugby anti brit anti sky anti santa
im looking forward to the day im called an uncle again
some rubbish from posters on here because you dont agree with them your obviously anti that

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 10:39:42    1602988

jp91

exactly so shannon are the equivalent of ballananty rovers or pike rovers
hence the opening point that club rugby in ireland is more on the scale of non league soccer
where as the provinces are really the clubs for ireland

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 10:42:32    1602993

13/06/2014 09:14:24 hill16no1man
ormond no its not populaion means nothing when you consider that rugby teams buy players in from everywhere
so having a huge population in london sure most of them probably arent from londond anyway
its about money end of. look at toulon sure Stop talking as if you know what are talking about as you haven't a notion.
Bigger population near your club means more potential supporters which means more cash available to club and there is likely to be more sponsors and more income.
13/06/2014 10:13:24 JP91
Aye its about money, but money comes from supporters. Not just in terms of gate receipts, but jersey sales and sponsorship. Even Toulon has a population of over half a million, Limerick has 100,000. Shannon would not be able to compete at European level, perhaps in the past but not now. They simply wouldn't have the support to pay competitive wages and retain their best playersToulon are also owned by a very wealthy man and are in a very wealthy area much wealthier than Limerick and Munster. And Shannon wouldn't have attracted supporters of any supporters of Garryowen, Young Munster etc
Talking about entering clubs from Ireland in European competition shows a complete lack of knowledge regarding rugby in Ireland
13/06/2014 10:33:10 Tir Conaill Abu
Came to this topic to see what was been talked about, as usual as soon as I see Ormond I expect rugby all over the thread and low and behold......... leave it out. Not the only one talking about rugby and I talk about plenty other than rugby

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/06/2014 12:34:10    1603115

Uncle Hill.Happy now?

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 13/06/2014 12:42:59    1603124

13/06/2014 10:42:32 hill16no1man
jp91 exactly so shannon are the equivalent of ballananty rovers or pike rovers
hence the opening point that club rugby in ireland is more on the scale of non league soccer
where as the provinces are really the clubs for irelandProvinces are not clubs and club rugby in Ireland is nothing like non league soccer. Shannon are in the top tier of club rugby. Always in the top division of club rugby apart from the last 2/3 seasons. They are more the equivalent of Limerick fc than ballananty rover
A Provincial system is the only way rugby could be pro in Ireland. Not enough people to support anything more than 4 teams at this time and where would you base another team
Club rugby is much more than non league soccer. Top level club games in ulster bank league division 1A/1B still have fully pro players playing.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/06/2014 13:09:42    1603140

brendtheredhand
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What is this 'radio' you speak of Muckross, round these parts its called a wireless and we often tune in to that station called Athlone!

Didn't want to confuse the young fellas brend.

I was devestated when they switched MW off and as for this new fangled "digital" radio, I am not having any of that round chez MuckrossHead. How Hill & kingdom let that one pass I don't know.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 13/06/2014 13:25:23    1603150

ormond

man utd dont have the biggest population in their area
yet their support base goes all around the world

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 17:41:06    1603296

ormond

if provinces arent clubs in ireland then isnt it unfair then that ireland get to enter provinces in the european club competition?
exactly to go pro they made 4 clubs basically
so the rest becomes the non league equivalent of soccer
no because if limerick fc win their league they represent ireland in europe just like munster do in rugby
where as if shannon win their league thats it just like ballananty

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 18:04:59    1603302

sorry muckross
was out on my new mchale fusion baler
should have seen the looks i was getting!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/06/2014 18:06:25    1603303

13/06/2014 18:04:59 hill16no1man
Ormond if provinces arent clubs in ireland then isnt it unfair then that ireland get to enter provinces in the european club competition?
exactly to go pro they made 4 clubs basically
so the rest becomes the non league equivalent of soccer
no because if limerick fc win their league they represent ireland in europe just like munster do in rugby
where as if shannon win their league thats it just like ballananty Perfectly fair as there isn't the base for clubs like Shannon, Garryowen, Lansdowne to make it as pro sides.
The provinces existed and have played for 100+ years so it was the right step. The rest are not non league equivalent.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/06/2014 18:23:16    1603310