htaem

in fairness it should matter who runs an organization
as at the end of the day the station will reflect what that person wants in the main.
like for example the head of sport on rte is ryle nugent the rugby commentator
so it explains why rugby gets so much air time in contrast to other sports

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2014 11:37:48    1602000

hill

in fairness it should matter who runs an organization

That's true it does, but again I don't see why people are so repulsed by Rupert Murdoch, if people don't like him then don't watch the channels with his stamp on them ie Fox News (which is total trash in fairness). But generally when you watch Entertainment, Movies, Music, Sport, Documentaries, cartoons etc etc etc they're all Murdoch free :-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 11/06/2014 11:46:26    1602011

I love watching Fox news,all that fury and righteous indignation, and Bil O'Reilly in his no spin zone, yeah, its classy and completely unbiased, in fact its "fair and balanced".

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 11/06/2014 11:51:09    1602023

brend

Ah the the O'Reilly Factor is incredible, it's so hopelessly biased and self righteous that's it's occasionally funny, although I only saw it a few times and mainly on Youtube.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 11/06/2014 12:01:45    1602030

11/06/2014 11:37:48 hill16no1man
htaem in fairness it should matter who runs an organisation
as at the end of the day the station will reflect what that person wants in the main.
like for example the head of sport on rte is ryle nugent the rugby commentator
so it explains why rugby gets so much air time in contrast to other sports Ah back to this old chestnut. Rugby only gets the amount of coverage it does because it has games on every weekend for 8-9 months of season and there is 4 teams and then international teams(only about 3 get coverage a season)
For the GAA in both hurling and gaelic the league is covered by other stations and then championship is fairly comprehensively covered. Other competitions at different grades have concluding stages shown
10/06/2014 19:44:12 fainleog
Just because they are the national games does not mean they should not be shown to a wider audience. There are millions of Irish or of Irish extraction in U.K.,many of whom had no choice but to leave our shores, I think it is important that they are also accommodated and there is also the opportunity to show our games to a wider audience. This is an opportunity for the GAA to obtain further revenue which will benefit the games and clubs throughout the country. We can hardly complain too much about the number of GAA games we see live on our screens i.e. 29 championship games,in contrast there were only the semi-finals and finals of the football and hurling championship some decades ago. We are also able to attend the games live and the people who attend the games live are the bread and butter of the games. The games are played in the U.K and there is now an opportunity to grow the games further. It is a welcome development for the Irish diaspora and a small price for the Irish at home +1
11/06/2014 10:54:20 hill16no1man
show me where i said its only for irish people?
nobody has a problem with more people getting to enjoy gaa
the problem with sky sports is it comes at a cost of the irish people themselves
I mean would the english premier league give exclusive rights to games to an american tv network
and make the english public subscribe to that network to watch matches in england? Awful choice of an example as many sport competitions have had networks from other countries show their games etc
beIN sports who are owned and operated by Qatari Sports Investments who are linked with Al Jazeera show In France, the major soccer tournaments on French television, including Ligue 1, Bundesliga, the Champions League and the European Football Championship.
In the United States and Canada, beIN Sports holds the rights to broadcast La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Copa del Rey, South American World Cup Qualifier and Football League Championship matches
If English premier league got a right deal they would definitely give the rights to any network be they French, Australian, middle eastern.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/06/2014 15:55:14    1602243

ormond
Ah back to this old chestnut. Rugby only gets the amount of coverage it does because it has games on every weekend for 8-9 months of season and there is 4 teams and then international teams(only about 3 get coverage a season)
For the GAA in both hurling and gaelic the league is covered by other stations and then championship is fairly comprehensively covered. Other competitions at different grades have concluding stages shown

yeah but your forgetting rte dont have the heiniken cup in rugby
just like they dont have the national leagues in gaa
yet every six one news bulletin at that time of the year focuses heavily on rugby
and more often than not doesnt give any gaa headline
my original statement referred to the fact that gaa is more popular than rugby in the country
yet nugent would have you believe it must be the other way around by the over exposure he gives to one sport.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2014 17:33:46    1602319

ormond

not at all an awful example
its a very sensible example
as do you think for one minute the english public would be quite happy
to have to sign up to an american tv station to have to watch the english soccer
or if rte got rights for aussie rules im sure the aussies wouldnt like the fact they would have to subscribe to an irish
station to see their own sport

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2014 17:36:33    1602322

11/06/2014 17:33:46 hill16no1man
Ormond Ah back to this old chestnut. Rugby only gets the amount of coverage it does because it has games on every weekend for 8-9 months of season and there is 4 teams and then international teams(only about 3 get coverage a season)
For the GAA in both hurling and gaelic the league is covered by other stations and then championship is fairly comprehensively covered. Other competitions at different grades have concluding stages shown
yeah but your forgetting rte dont have the heiniken cup in rugby just like they dont have the national leagues in gaa yet every six one news bulletin at that time of the year focuses heavily on rugby and more often than not doesnt give any gaa headline
my original statement referred to the fact that gaa is more popular than rugby in the country
yet nugent would have you believe it must be the other way around by the over exposure he gives to one sport. Yet you think Nugent has complete control over everything. He is the boss of sport in RTE but he doesn't call everything and powers are delegated to others.
Yes RTE doesn't have the European cup(wont have new champions cup next season like they didn't have Heineken cup). TG4 had the highlights to European comp.
RTE wont have live coverage of pro12 next season which means they'll only be covering the international games
RTE regularly covers GAA in its news and RTEs coverage cant just be put down to Nugent. He doesn't give over exposure to rugby. If he did club rugby wouldn't be ignored nearly completely and the European cup games of the provinces would all be shown live and the pro12 would all still be covered.
None of the provinces will have live games on RTE next season.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/06/2014 17:44:36    1602331

ormond

your back pedalling now bud
you must have seen the light
you even made it worse for the fact he gives it far too much exposure
and dont even go there with club rugby haha sure the provinces are clubs basically
otherwise they wouldnt be represnting ireland in the european club competition
the actual clubs here is like the leinster senior league in soccer and that dont get coverage either

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2014 18:34:38    1602370

For those of you who need reminding. RTE has shown the Armagh V Cavan incident for the 3rd time on the news. There are many fracas in rugby at the higest level and rte never repeats them. Go to RTE Player and see the sports announcers demeanour? RTE Sports is a cold house for GAA. This is why we need Sky competition.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 11/06/2014 20:04:36    1602417

alright for ye young lads with your few bob and your sky dish, what about aul lads like me?

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 11/06/2014 20:12:41    1602420

lilypad
County: Kildare
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alright for ye young lads with your few bob and your sky dish, what about aul lads like me?

Auld lads can always revert to the radio, it's what we were reared with & I still enjoy listening to games on it.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 11/06/2014 21:26:06    1602455

I have always had Sky Sports and really enjoyed last weeks coverage of Kilkenny v Offaly.Muckross u are right in relation to the radio.Because of my job i listen to a lot of sport on the radio and it is a fantastic substitute,with the live match commentary generally being superior.Between Newstalk,Rte and Talksport i must get through 30 hours sports radio weekly.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 11/06/2014 21:49:13    1602470

11/06/2014 18:34:38 hill16no1man
Ormond your back pedalling now bud, you must have seen the light
you even made it worse for the fact he gives it far too much exposure
and dont even go there with club rugby haha sure the provinces are clubs basically
otherwise they wouldnt be represnting ireland in the european club competition
the actual clubs here is like the leinster senior league in soccer and that dont get coverage either Not back pedalling at all hill
RTE cover rugby in manner it does as its largest professional sport solely based in Ireland with teams v successful the past decade or so and who are made up virtually 100% of irish players.
Provinces are not basically clubs at all.
They are provincial sides of the best club players from each province as the individual clubs like Shannon not big enough to be professional
11/06/2014 20:04:36 mod
For those of you who need reminding. RTE has shown the Armagh V Cavan incident for the 3rd time on the news. There are many fracas in rugby at the higest level and rte never repeats them. Go to RTE Player and see the sports announcers demeanour? RTE Sports is a cold house for GAA. This is why we need Sky competition. Plenty of times for some incidents Alan Quinlan gouging, dave Kearney being kicked by paul o Connell etc
RTE is not cold house for GAA..

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/06/2014 22:00:43    1602488

ormond

so why dont shannon represent ireland in the european club competition instead of munster?
seen as london irish,wasps ad co have to represent england I dont see any team called yorkshire or east midlands

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/06/2014 11:37:08    1602575

alright for ye young lads with your few bob and your sky dish, what about aul lads like me?

Not a problem. RTE are showing the same amount of games and a lot more then they did when you were growing up.

so why dont shannon represent ireland in the european club competition instead of munster?
seen as london irish,wasps ad co have to represent england I dont see any team called yorkshire or east midlands

That's a ridiculous statement and I would be surprised if you didn't know the answer yourself.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 12/06/2014 12:09:11    1602589

cuederocket
County: Dublin
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I have always had Sky Sports and really enjoyed last weeks coverage of Kilkenny v Offaly.Muckross u are right in relation to the radio.Because of my job i listen to a lot of sport on the radio and it is a fantastic substitute,with the live match commentary generally being superior.Between Newstalk,Rte and Talksport i must get through 30 hours sports radio weekly.


Yes I generally enjoy radio sport more than TV. I think RTE did a slightly more professional job on the live SG last Sunday, I checked it out online last night. Don't know why but I still like the panel, and Lyster in fairness.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 12/06/2014 12:57:29    1602615

JP91

yeah because they are not good enough
so therefore rugby clubs in this country are the provinces
thats my point

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/06/2014 13:05:04    1602622

yeah because they are not good enough
so therefore rugby clubs in this country are the provinces
thats my point

That doesn't stack up. It's the equivalent of saying the counties are the clubs in the GAA as the likes of Crossmaglen etc are not good enough to compete in the All-Ireland championship.

Rugby provinces are very similar to the counties in the GAA, picking the best players from the clubs available to them. The one big exception of course is that the provinces can buy in players from abroad.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 12/06/2014 13:25:49    1602632

12/06/2014 11:37:08 hill16no1man
ormond so why dont shannon represent ireland in the european club competition instead of munster?
seen as london irish,wasps ad co have to represent england I dont see any team called yorkshire or east midlands Because it wouldn't be financially viable and how would it have been decided which clubs would turn pro?
England is much bigger than Ireland and London has a bigger population than Ireland as a whole.
There is clubs in England as they have the population to back to support them. It wouldn't be viable to have loads of pro clubs and the provinces have existed 100+ years and it was the right way to do it.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/06/2014 13:59:24    1602652