I got rid of all the sports channels a few years back...

Really cant stand Sky but sure what can you do!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/03/2014 13:18:35    1558697

11/03/2014 15:43:36 hill16no1man
I didnt say they would get an english panel read again
I said whats the option get and english panel or guys who were not good enough for rte or tv3
how is that going to improve punditry
if there were better pundits dont you think rte or tv3 would be using them?
if sky took it over it would hit the gaa pocket as a pay per view channell showing gaa exclusively would reduce
the viewers considerably compared to a station that is readily available in every house in the country
how would they get more viewers in ireland
people arent going to spend more money to watch gaa
when they could have watched it all along without paying more money Why do you assume Sky if they got coverage would get analysts/commentators etc not good enough for rte/tv3?
How do you know they aren't able to get analysts etc who wouldn't work for some reason for RTE or get people who get interested by Sky not not the irish channels.
Most irish people have digital tv access. Significant proportion have sky or would be able to access games. How can you definitely say people are not going to spend more money to watch GAA?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/03/2014 13:24:18    1558700

11/03/2014 16:20:46
GaryMc82
I think we could be doing with better coverage of GAA. However I can't really see Sky improving upon existing coverage.
Between RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and TG4 you would think that at least 2 x Sunday National league games, and maybe a Saturday evening game could be shown.
I would also like to see a more expansive and detailed analysis of games, instead of the usual aul "Cavan are going well, but I think Limerick might just have too much for them" short comment analysis.
3 games a weekend. On a Sunday afternoon do you see GAA interested in that? That would affect attendances and didn't GAA reduce numbers of games shown on tv as it was affecting attendances.
How would you propose to get this more expansive/detailed analysis of games?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/03/2014 13:28:39    1558705

Won't happen end off.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 12/03/2014 14:38:14    1558756

ormondbannerman
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11/03/2014 16:20:46
GaryMc82
3 games a weekend. On a Sunday afternoon do you see GAA interested in that? That would affect attendances and didn't GAA reduce numbers of games shown on tv as it was affecting attendances.
How would you propose to get this more expansive/detailed analysis of games?


In the National Football League weekends alone, we have 16 matches on a single weekend. If RTE were to only show Dublin, Cork or the bigger teams, then yes attendance figures would suffer for those teams games. However If RTE showed a Division 1, Division 2, Division 3/4 game, no one side would receive so much exposure that their match attendance figures drop.

How would I propose to get THIS more expansive/detailed analysis of games? Expand the number minutes allowed to review each game after highlights, and study the games in a bit more detail.

Saying things that sound like "Westmeath had a bad day out there", "Cork are really looking good this year", Dublin have superb attacking options" is lazy and stating the obvious. Maybe ask questions of why are Cork doing so well?, Why have Westmeath been poor so far? Use video analysis to show the tactics that are driving some teams on, and slowing some teams down.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 12/03/2014 14:51:24    1558766

Do people really think the All Ireland final will take preference over West Brom and Newcastle on super sunday?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/03/2014 15:49:36    1558806

No it won't take preference but the AI finals have to be on free to air tv anyway so I wouldn't worry about that. I'm just curious though gotmilk, what exactly are your genuine concerns about Sky getting Gaelic games?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/03/2014 15:55:24    1558810

Games will be taken out of the average joes home. People will have to pay 50 euro a month to see championship games. Sky are not going to buy rights for the sole purpose of showing league games.
I have a feeling it will also result in the haves having more and the have nots getting less and less.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/03/2014 15:58:22    1558812

Fair enough, that is a genuine problem but I still don't really think that Sky are going to get any significant package, if any package at all from the Gaa. I personally would be in favour of selling them then rights to a certain amount of championship games, certainly league games, I'd give them every league game, couldn't hurt but the championship is another story, we'll wait and see.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/03/2014 16:08:48    1558820

There is no way Sky will only take the league. It's not high profile enough for them. If they take the league it will all be part of getting the championship.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/03/2014 16:21:39    1558828

gotmilk
Games will be taken out of the average joes home.

No they wont. For the 100th time they are trying to buy a package, not replace the national broadcaster. Therefore the rte coverage will be exactly the same as last year, regardless of whether it is setanta or sky who are buying the package. Will it register this time or will we have to go to 101?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/03/2014 16:25:52    1558833

Master do you honestly think that if Sky are interested in purchasing rights for gaelic games that they don't have an interest in eventually getting the championship rights?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/03/2014 16:34:42    1558843

They'll certainly look for championship rights, but first things first, give them what TV3 has now (or something to that effect), if it works out well and viewer numbers increase by any substantial amount then a deal for more rights should definitely be considered. The fact is though that if the Gaa doesn't give foreign market growth a shot then they'll never know, if they try and succeed then great, if they try and fail then fair enough but at least they tried.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/03/2014 16:47:10    1558849

Gotmilk your obviously a kid as when you said that games on free TV since dawn of time. Not until earkly to mid nineties did rte show anything other than all ire semis and finals. Hardly stone age now is it? Or perhaps I am just too old.
The very first sat game was the last of the Dublin Meath saga in 91.
I personally think its a fantastic idea and pray for it to happen, sky can do so much for the gaa . Let's hope the negotiations are a success . And if anyone thinks that rte and tv3 have the top pundits around then Jesus I wouldn't like to see the bad ones.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/03/2014 17:08:03    1558866

They can look for them all they want, like setanta and anyone else can. It doesnt mean they get them. The gaa are in charge here. If they take a big offer from sky for exclusive rights then they are to blame, not sky. The reality is it wouldnt be worth their while to look for exclusive rights. What they would have is something like we had for the EPL. Extended clips of big games and maybe the odd low-level game here or there, plus london games possibly. Do people think they are going to go around to all the stadia in ireland and install their millions worth of camera equipment and have it running like an EPL game? Are ye for real? They will more than likely be using footage from RTE and TV3 cameras.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/03/2014 17:20:29    1558874

TheMaster
County: Mayo

Wait, so they're just looking for the rights to show an extended highlights package in Britain? Like they had years ago with Jimmy Magee? I can't see how that'd be worth their while. Is there a link to any of this? I haven't seen any info or news story recently that has anything about Sky buying GAA rights.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 12/03/2014 18:24:12    1558890

For all RTE's failings on the National League it should also not be forgotten that BBC NI and UTV's coverage of Gaelic Games remains totally non existent. Ulster rugby games are shown live on BBC2 NI and the Irish League goals get shown on Saturdays but NO Gaelic coverage at all. It seems that the Apres Match sketch on Northern sports broadcasting remains very true. (Anyone who hasn't seen it should go on to YouTube and type in 'Apres Match NI Sports Results'; it is very funny). The Ulster Council and Croke Park should really be taking these media groups to task.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9823 - 12/03/2014 19:09:51    1558907

Let me explain this. Lots of confusion going on here
The setanta package that they run at the moment is up for renewal, setanta and sky have put in offers for THAT package. Nothing more nothing less, its mostly for overseas viewers. Now why aren't we having the same debate about setanta??? . I hope sky get it, as it will make rte think that they could buy theirs , now due to broadcasting act ie law, they must provide all ire finals and semi finals free to air, even if sky bought everything under the sun they still would have to be free to air . That's not going to happen anyway but that is the fact. So please less of the scare mongering and we selling our soul yadeya tripe. Its only a package that is already sold to another company.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/03/2014 19:25:26    1558920

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1558907 For all RTE's failings on the National League it should also not be forgotten that BBC NI and UTV's coverage of Gaelic Games remains totally non existent. Ulster rugby games are shown live on BBC2 NI and the Irish League goals get shown on Saturdays but NO Gaelic coverage at all. It seems that the Apres Match sketch on Northern sports broadcasting remains very true. (Anyone who hasn't seen it should go on to YouTube and type in 'Apres Match NI Sports Results'; it is very funny). The Ulster Council and Croke Park should really be taking these media groups to task.

That Après Match NI Results is brilliant:)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 12/03/2014 19:27:38    1558923

ormondbannerman

well if there was better analysts wouldnt rte and tv3 and setanta and tg4 be using them?
so you reckon these brilliant analysts all have a vendetta not to work for any irish station is that what you think haha
they are biding their time to wait for sky haha come on man.
your talking about sky getting people interested who dont already watch gaa
well why would somebody go out of their way to pay for a subscription they could have been watching all along on a channel they dont need to pay extra for?
gaa is brodacsted to every house almost in the country currently
by giving sky these games your reducing the amount of houses straight away
so naturally your going to be reducing the amount of viewers and have less chance of getting new viewers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/03/2014 19:40:37    1558930