In my opinion, Ballysaggart should be ashamed of themselves for lodging an objection to UNDERAGE players participating in their recent AI JHC final defeat. On top of their manager's comments this is as bad a case of sour grapes as I've ever come across.

Salmanneile (Longford) - Posts: 113 - 20/02/2014 12:09:11    1549019

Pathetic and they should be ashamed.

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 20/02/2014 12:27:01    1549034

wats this about lads?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 20/02/2014 12:29:10    1549039

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=210041

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 20/02/2014 12:43:18    1549047

You are completely wrong. Ballysaggart are entitled to appeal. These players were ILLEGAL. The days of playing young lads before theya are eligible are long gone. Longterm it does them no favours. They were not part of the team that won either the county or provincial championship and so were not entitled to play. I'd have no sympathy for Creggan in this situation. Its not the fault of the young lads themselves its the Chairman and secretary who should bear responsibility for playing illegal players and when the GAA holds up the objection(as they rightly should) then they will have to play a rematch.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 20/02/2014 12:44:46    1549049

They're fairly caught now, has to go to a re-play again and just judging from match reports i'd say small is one of their best players never mind losing the other fella as well. Did Bennett get a straight red? Will he be able to play in the re-play?

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 20/02/2014 12:52:36    1549059

Embarrassing for the Waterford club

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 20/02/2014 13:06:28    1549075

Sorry lads but will these players being playing league and Championship for their club in 2014??? If the answer is yes well then they were fully entitled to line out in the All Ireland series in 2014. They didn't play for the adult team last year because they were to young but in 2014 they are old enough and therefore allowed play.

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 20/02/2014 13:30:50    1549094

Illegal players are illegal players regardless.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 20/02/2014 13:41:58    1549101

Hold on one second. The rule is that a player cannot play two age groups above they're level. The fella in the report played for Antrim U-16s last year. I dont know the facts, but if he turned 16 before the new year then he no longer an U-16 and well within his rights to play. Unless as the competition started before the new year Ballysaggart are appelaing on this ground, and trying to get of on a technicality.

Either way, I had not heard of Ballysaggart before now. They will be forever known by many as moaning whingers who cant take a beating. The other day they were complaining about being beaten by a team of footballers. Now it appears they may have been beaten by a team of cub footballers, it goes from bad to worse for them.

jamesjoyce (Derry) - Posts: 126 - 20/02/2014 13:49:22    1549104

The Waterford club should be embarrassed appealing the decision because two 16 year olds tore them apart

antrimman91 (Antrim) - Posts: 127 - 20/02/2014 14:11:09    1549115

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Sorry lads but will these players being playing league and Championship for their club in 2014??? If the answer is yes well then they were fully entitled to line out in the All Ireland series in 2014. They didn't play for the adult team last year because they were to young but in 2014 they are old enough and therefore allowed play.

Is the competition not considered a 2013 one though?

Or even in that case are the young lads still allowed to play?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 20/02/2014 14:12:40    1549118

I dont think i have ever come across such poor sportsmanship-if it turns out another replay is required i hope creggan win it by an even bigger margin and i hope the ref is from Waterford!I would like some member of that club to post on here why they didnt object prior to the replay and if it only came to light afterwards they were obviously digging around looking for any excuse.Tell that manager to get out of the game if all he can offer are the shocking comments he made against the ref football and other counties

theseasider (Galway) - Posts: 23 - 20/02/2014 14:36:12    1549132

Surely this scenario has arisen before & there's a rule either for it or against it? I'd imagine that Creggan would've taken this into consideration before bringing the 2 juveniles in question onboard - after all, they didn't play them in Antrim or in Ulster in 2013 as they were illegal. Since January 1st these lads are eligible to play senior so unless there's a rulebook technicality there's no reason not to play them.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/02/2014 14:38:33    1549133

This has happened before, in one case nothing was done and in the other the team was thrown out of the competition. Ballinderry played Ryan Bell when he was 14 in a an ulster minor tournament where no action was taken & here is a link to the other case extreme case -
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coO (Cavan) - Posts: 217 - 20/02/2014 14:53:20    1549150

Ballysaggart, and Waterford GAA in general, should hang their heads in shame and total embarrassment. Whatever way any appeal goes the fact is that the Waterford club will be remembered as the biggest crybabies and whingeing moaners possibly ever in the history of the GAA. They yapped about the officials, Creggan's physicality and now their players. This is doing Waterford no favours whatsoever and the county will be left with a reputation after this. Are there no wise heads in that county that could see the bigger picture here and pull Ballysaggart aside and tell them to wise up completely.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 20/02/2014 15:28:15    1549183

When I was a kid a team called Ramsgrange lodged an objection against our team for fielding an ineligible player. One of the parents of their team was a solicitor and he went through our birth certs and registration forms with a fine tooth comb. All of this over a district Under - 12 football final (basically a county quarter-final). They said we had several unregistered players and overage players. It was all a lie. We did not and a guy in our club who would have been our best player was 2 days overage- we couldn't play him. But the county board, due to fear of a court action by this solicitor and club, decided that both teams could replay the match (with the exact same players mind). My club refused, rightly, as we had done nothing wrong. The county board threw out both teams. I'll never forgive the Ramsgrange club for that, not their players who I went to school with. What's worse, as I got older we played them again and again, and some of the dirtiest belts I've gotten were from them. There's nothing quite like being 14 and being spit at by one of their parents (a woman by the way).

What Ballysaggert are doing is bad. To be honest, I don't care if those players are eligible or not. They are 16. If Ballysaggert can't beat a pair of 16 year olds they don't deserve the All-Ireland. I think its against the spirit of the game and I think if I was a Ballysaggert player I'd be ashamed of my club.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 20/02/2014 15:30:14    1549185

Ballysaggart have no hope imo.

Did the players all wear gumshields? Yes

For the football semifinals last week all had to have gumshields and the black card rule was in place also.

Like others here I thought it would play by last years rules but it appears to be not the case.

overinthewest (Sligo) - Posts: 119 - 20/02/2014 15:33:28    1549190

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Sorry lads but will these players being playing league and Championship for their club in 2014??? If the answer is yes well then they were fully entitled to line out in the All Ireland series in 2014. They didn't play for the adult team last year because they were to young but in 2014 they are old enough and therefore allowed play.

Is the competition not considered a 2013 one though?

Or even in that case are the young lads still allowed to play?

Brigids are considered 2013 Champions So this year the winners will be 2014 Champions. Now i understand that players who transfer in January are unable to play in the competition but players who are already members of the club and are of an available age can play. Point being if one of those lads was say injured all last year and didn't play U-16 but then got back to fitness and got into the team in time for the All Ireland semi-Final would this argument be happening?? IF they get a replay good players from good clubs with All Ireland ambitions could (not saying they will) but they could OPT out of U-16 games in the Hope of playing All Ireland Semi in the following January when they meet the age criteria. Now i am not saying that someone would do that but it is a possiblity

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 20/02/2014 15:51:03    1549207

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Ballysaggart, and Waterford GAA in general, should hang their heads in shame and total embarrassment. Whatever way any appeal goes the fact is that the Waterford club will be remembered as the biggest crybabies and whingeing moaners possibly ever in the history of the GAA. They yapped about the officials, Creggan's physicality and now their players. This is doing Waterford no favours whatsoever and the county will be left with a reputation after this. Are there no wise heads in that county that could see the bigger picture here and pull Ballysaggart aside and tell them to wise up completely.

Totally disagree.

Nothing to do with Waterford in general. No need for it man.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 20/02/2014 15:58:13    1549215