There is a topic on the Non-GAA forum with all sorts of suggestions and thoughts about penalties - here are a few:

1. The kicker should be alowed to take a penalty from the hands
2. A point from a penalty should be worth 3 points, and a goal worth 6 (SIX!)
3. A point from a penalty should be worth 2 points, and a goal worth 4
4. It is harder to score a penalty from 11m than 13m
5. It is easier to score a penalty from 11m than 13m

I would like to know what people think of these points, and to hear from people who witnessed penalties missed/scored/saved over the weekend. The ratio of penalties scored from 13m was just something like 40-45%, I predict that this percentage will rise sharply with the ball moved 2m closer to goal.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 19/01/2010 14:37:16    537070

I thinkink moving it to 11M is a great idea as the percentages are sure to be up to 75-80% now. Also if the keeper moves I think the ref should have the power to award the goal. Umpires need to step up their efforts to ensure the ref is making the right call as they often shy away from being involved

maroon2gold (Westmeath) - Posts: 551 - 19/01/2010 14:57:32    537103

Whoever sid it's easier to score from 13m than 11m is just plain stupid. I think that this new rule is good one. Usually when a penalty is awarded the fouled player is after being denied a goalscoring opportunity. Therefore penalties should not be too fifficult to score. As it stand a defender will take the chance of taking a player down as there is quite a good chance of it being missed.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 19/01/2010 15:04:55    537114

maroongold,

Dya not think thats a bit severe to award the goal if the keeper moves off the line? Maybe if he made the taker re-take it a cuple of times & it kept happening, but definatly not straight away!

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 19/01/2010 15:14:53    537123

I'm wondering have the GAA done any research on this or is moving the ball onto 11m just a stab in the dark for them.

Low to mid 40% is not good enough return for penalties in my book. The goal scoring percentages should be somewhere nearer to 85% at least however I cant see this happening by merely moving the ball in by 2m (my opinion only).

We will all know more when the NFL's kicks in so until then it's only speculation as to which is best 13m or 11m unless the GAA can show us stats that proves it's easier to score from 11m than 13m.

The fact that the GAA have change the ball position would suggest that things are not quite right with the current success rate so unless the new measures fail to advance beyond the current percentages I think that this is one rule which might be adopted...

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 19/01/2010 15:47:18    537176

Of course it's going to be easier to score from 11m.
Have you ever taken a penalty?

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 19/01/2010 16:06:40    537212

JINXIE. I think all this messing with the rules every year has to come to a stop as after 125 years, you would think it would be sorted. I guess your right that it is severe on the first penalty but I wish it was more like rugby.(not that I play or am a big fan) At least the refs decisions are accepted and everyone gets on with it. Experienced players must feel like U12 at the first few training sessions every year. Its an amuture sport but this messing every year is crazy. I think you are in agreement that the penalty percentage was way too low and hopefully this rule sticks.

maroon2gold (Westmeath) - Posts: 551 - 19/01/2010 16:32:37    537236

Marrongold,
Yeah thats a fair point! But they wont stop. How many variations of the square ball rule & sin bine/dicipline/yellow card=off & other other rules in the past 8 or 9 years at the start of each campaign.
Granted the penalty issue is a valid point, & the advantage seems to be with the defender & taking his chances. I posted on a different thread about a goal from a pen being worth 4pnts & over the bar = 2pnts, & that way the defender risking it has much more to loose!

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 19/01/2010 16:53:11    537274

1. The kicker should be alowed to take a penalty from the hands
2. A point from a penalty should be worth 3 points, and a goal worth 6 (SIX!)
3. A point from a penalty should be worth 2 points, and a goal worth 4
4. It is harder to score a penalty from 11m than 13m
5. It is easier to score a penalty from 11m than 13m


1st one no the kicker should not be allowed to take it from his hands.

2nd leave the score the way it is as it would destroy the game .

3rd Same as above leave scores alone.

4th No it is not .

5th yes it is extra 2 mtrs.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/01/2010 17:03:06    537297

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Of course it's going to be easier to score from 11m.

Feel free to post something that would substantiate this very bold claim of yours.

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 19/01/2010 17:06:21    537305

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537297 1. The kicker should be alowed to take a penalty from the hands
2. A point from a penalty should be worth 3 points, and a goal worth 6 (SIX!)
3. A point from a penalty should be worth 2 points, and a goal worth 4
4. It is harder to score a penalty from 11m than 13m
5. It is easier to score a penalty from 11m than 13m


1st one no the kicker should not be allowed to take it from his hands.

2nd leave the score the way it is as it would destroy the game .

3rd Same as above leave scores alone.

4th No it is not .

5th yes it is extra 2 mtrs.

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What evidence if any do you have to support the answers you gave to questions no.4 & no.5 above

BartleDoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 389 - 19/01/2010 17:12:21    537320

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When i used to play i never missed a penatly from 13 mtrs now if i was still playing i would think i would not miss from 11mtrs.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/01/2010 17:18:55    537331

I think the GAA should constantly be monitoring our games with a view to making running repairs. I dont want change for changes sake but am in favour of intelligent evolution. I actually like the proposition of allowing the penalty taker the option of a free worth 2 points taken from further back or the regular penalty from the spot. Surely a foul giving rise to a penalty decision is a worse infraction than a free kick and yet many frees are right in front of the posts. Maybe if we give the penalty taker another option that will both curb blatant fouling of a guy in on goal and give attacking teams a greater degree of return from such incidents.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 19/01/2010 18:06:15    537412

Dell are you like myself? I never took a penalty!

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 19/01/2010 19:00:08    537487

It's obviously easier to score a penalty from 11m rather than 13m. The goalkeeper has less time to react. The kicker also has a larger margin for error as the angle from the new penalty spot to the goals is wider. The penalty was fine the way it was.

InisCaoin (Monaghan) - Posts: 89 - 19/01/2010 19:44:45    537522

What about a penalty try type decision like you get in rugby. If a completely blatent foul is called by the ref (i.e. if it looked likely that the attacking team would score a goal before being fouled), then you just have to stick it over the bar for the three points.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 20/01/2010 10:52:46    537745

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No no no that would be a disaster completly as you get boys diving then the whole time.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/01/2010 10:58:38    537756

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No no no that would be a disaster completly as you get boys diving then the whole time.

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How would it be any different if they dived now??? The difference I mean is that if the box was crowded and a player in possession in the box is pulled down, even if it wasn't a gilt edged goal chance then give the penalty. If a player is clean through on goal and gets poleaxed by a back or goalkeeper then give the 'penalty try' (or whatever you want to call it). It's only an idea

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 20/01/2010 11:43:06    537815

1. The kicker should be alowed to take a penalty from the hands 2. A point from a penalty should be worth 3 points, and a goal worth 6 (SIX!) 3. A point from a penalty should be worth 2 points, and a goal worth 4 4. It is harder to score a penalty from 11m than 13m 5. It is easier to score a penalty from 11m than 13m 1- No real advantage to the penalty taker as although you possibly could generate more power in the shot,direction would be hard to control-better placed ball. 2-Too big a scoring differential,Scoring 3 points is sufficient enough a reward for any goal. 3-No,See reason 2. 4 & 5-Can not be proven as too many changing contributing factors depends on each of these statements being proven right or wrong. ie importance of kick(consolation/last kick of the game/ Club Championship Final/ All Ireland final infront of 80000 etc), Level of nerves of the penalty taker/goalkeeper; does the keeper move off/along his line? if so by how much? I'll not go into all the reasons but being a former regular penalty taker who has missed 1 or 2 in big and not so big matches i think the one of the main reasons of the failure % being what it is is Practice. They practice it in Soccer but in Gaelic coaching it is not considered important enough to have sessions dedicated to the art of penalty taking. Your views please

bigbardo (Tyrone) - Posts: 22 - 20/01/2010 14:02:49    538008

I think it should be down to the referees descretion whether or not there was a goal scoring oppertunity, if not there should be a 13 m free, if so then a penalty, something tells me that referees would be killed after decisions tho.

09KY36 (Kerry) - Posts: 329 - 20/01/2010 14:45:46    538048