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Back to reality

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 438 - 16/03/2024 16:29:15    2531405

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "It's really disappointing to see us rolling over a bit.

I'd bet anything that no pundits will make excuses for us like they have for everyone we've played so far.

It would be great if we could get back to 6 points before the end now"
what would you like the pundits to say? That we were great. Not relevant anyway.

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 16/03/2024 16:48:03    2531408

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All about the Dublin game now. The league has been good. We got a few new players out of it but badly need the likes of Liam Ryan and Rory O back for championship.

logger (Wexford) - Posts: 308 - 16/03/2024 16:52:17    2531410

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Brutal stuff"
Unsurprising really when you consider we started with 2 wing forwards who shouldn't be near the team

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 16/03/2024 16:57:09    2531415

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Replying To gahfan:  "what would you like the pundits to say? That we were great. Not relevant anyway."
I'd like them to watch the games that they're reviewing at a minimum.

After that be fair and objective

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3850 - 16/03/2024 17:27:37    2531429

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Unsurprising really when you consider we started with 2 wing forwards who shouldn't be near the team"
Don't think we had too many other options today. But I don't think either have ever really impressed consistently either at this level. Expected a lot from McGuckian this league after his club performances but he still seems miles off it. Egan gave him every chance too. Wants more time on the ball than you get at this level. Dunbar has speed and loads of ability but has always flattered to deceive in a Wexford jersey really. Better as a sub I'd say. I know we were missing loads but that's some reality check today.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 16/03/2024 18:18:26    2531451

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That was Cork at more or less full strength today.

They were very sharp and every single mistake was punished but Cork like Wexford will be judged on how to do in championship, not in Wexford park on the 16th of March.

It's better to get that bad performance out of the way now than in the Dublin match.

Lawlor, Chin, ROC, Jippo & probably Jack O Connor are definitely needed to start v Dublin.

Those 5 fully fit would of made a big difference v Cork today.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 16/03/2024 18:44:47    2531471

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It was a good league overall tbf we have blooded a load of new players and finally have a squad. Wouldn't read a whole lot into today that was a strong Cork team and I actually thought we created a lot of chances just the shooting today was atrocious. Onto the Dublin game now please god we have our big guns back and firing. I think we beat Dublin by 5+

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 16/03/2024 18:55:43    2531479

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Never nice to finish a campaign like that . Cork were just better in every aspect . We could ve conceded tat least 3 or 4 more goals . First touch from Cork gsve them the advantage in every contested area. Even with savage workrate which was not evident today when a teams touch and decision making etc are like Cork s today you will struggle unless you can match the touch . Not overly concerned we acheived the objective of being div1 next year a big positive for player development . Now it's up to players management to bring it a step further keep the workrate up improve the first touch decision making and shot selection . We can certainly compete with most teams . All ireland contenders might be a step above but steady improvement is what we want . Definitely in a better place this year . Management looked like they were trying a few things today . Only they know if any of them are what they hoped .
Over plying ball in first half and poor wides kept us from being competitive and after the 2nd Cork goal it was well over as a contest . Couple of players Jay have put themselves out of contention today fir championship start . But then everyone can have an off day. Pity we seem to get few that have them on the same day

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 380 - 16/03/2024 19:31:24    2531493

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "It was a good league overall tbf we have blooded a load of new players and finally have a squad. Wouldn't read a whole lot into today that was a strong Cork team and I actually thought we created a lot of chances just the shooting today was atrocious. Onto the Dublin game now please god we have our big guns back and firing. I think we beat Dublin by 5+"
I knew when I heard the team selected that we didn't really want to win that game. And that was confirmed for me when I saw what way we set up, with a pretty orthodox 3 inside and 15 on 15 which left alot of space around the middle for Cork to exploit. What was a little concerning was the amount of space we gave Cork, our lads who were touch tight all year were a couple yards off their men, and weren't throwing themselves into blocking and tackling like they have all year. Maybe they were told not to get injured. I think Keith and the management team wanted to see how lads fared out in different positions with an eye on who our starting championship team will be. It was telling to see Niall Murphy, CBD, Richie, not on the pitch, except a late cameo from Niall. Conor Foley did OK in midfield, as did Shane, but I think come championship we will need Shane back in the corner or maybe wingback. Thought Eoin Ryan, Damien Reck and Matthew O Hanlon played pretty well, and it was great to see Mogie, Dwyer and Mac back looking fit! Dooleys sharpness is a little off still, but there's still a good few weeks to go before the Dublin game. Conor Hearne was our best player, along with Mark Fanning, while Kevin had his 1st off day of the year. Well done to Darragh Carley on his 1st Senior start! After that game I'd go with this team for Dublin based on this years League and last years Championship-
Fanning
Dooley, Jippo, Murphy
O'Hanlon, D. Reck, S. Reck
Hearne, O'Keefe
K. Foley, Chin, Mogie
Rory, Casey, Lawlor
Subs- Duggan, Mac, Devitt, Dwyer, Dunbar, Jacko, C. Foley, Patsy, CBD, C. Byrne, Tucker, which should provide cover for every line and position.
Shane Reck to pick up Donal Burke. Obviously we are likely to have injuries so lads will be promoted from the bench, and other lads will be promoted to the bench as the championship goes on.
Important things learnt/gained for the League-
-We have a fullback if Jippo gets injured.
-We have good trustable cover on the bench for players in every line.
-We have other lads not in the 26 who would be able subs in the event of injuries down the line. In other words Rossi is building a good squad.

Interestingly only 7 outfielders of the above team to face Dublin started that Cork game this afternoon. Half a team. And of the other 7 who started 4 wouldn't even make the bench for the Dublin game, as I can only pick 26. Some hard choices for Rossi to make in the coming weeks!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16686 - 16/03/2024 20:05:29    2531501

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "It was a good league overall tbf we have blooded a load of new players and finally have a squad. Wouldn't read a whole lot into today that was a strong Cork team and I actually thought we created a lot of chances just the shooting today was atrocious. Onto the Dublin game now please god we have our big guns back and firing. I think we beat Dublin by 5+"
I knew when I heard the team selected that we didn't really want to win that game. And that was confirmed for me when I saw what way we set up, with a pretty orthodox 3 inside and 15 on 15 which left alot of space around the middle for Cork to exploit. What was a little concerning was the amount of space we gave Cork, our lads who were touch tight all year were a couple yards off their men, and weren't throwing themselves into blocking and tackling like they have all year. Maybe they were told not to get injured. I think Keith and the management team wanted to see how lads fared out in different positions with an eye on who our starting championship team will be. It was telling to see Niall Murphy, CBD, Richie, not on the pitch, except a late cameo from Niall. Conor Foley did OK in midfield, as did Shane, but I think come championship we will need Shane back in the corner or maybe wingback. Thought Eoin Ryan, Damien Reck and Matthew O Hanlon played pretty well, and it was great to see Mogie, Dwyer and Mac back looking fit! Dooleys sharpness is a little off still, but there's still a good few weeks to go before the Dublin game. Conor Hearne was our best player, along with Mark Fanning, while Kevin had his 1st off day of the year. Well done to Darragh Carley on his 1st Senior start! After that game I'd go with this team for Dublin based on this years League and last years Championship-
Fanning
Dooley, Jippo, Murphy
O'Hanlon, D. Reck, S. Reck
Hearne, O'Keefe
K. Foley, Chin, Mogie
Rory, Casey, Lawlor
Subs- Duggan, Mac, Devitt, Dwyer, Dunbar, Jacko, C. Foley, Patsy, CBD, C. Byrne, Tucker, which should provide cover for every line and position.
Shane Reck to pick up Donal Burke. Obviously we are likely to have injuries so lads will be promoted from the bench, and other lads will be promoted to the bench as the championship goes on.
Important things learnt/gained for the League-
-We have a fullback if Jippo gets injured.
-We have good trustable cover on the bench for players in every line.
-We have other lads not in the 26 who would be able subs in the event of injuries down the line. In other words Rossi is building a good squad.

Interestingly only 7 outfielders of the above team to face Dublin started that Cork game this afternoon. Half a team. And of the other 7 who started 4 wouldn't even make the bench for the Dublin game, as I can only pick 26. Some hard choices for Rossi to make in the coming weeks!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16686 - 16/03/2024 20:05:40    2531502

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Made it in for the 2nd half of the minor game and was pretty impressed by our lads. We were down 3 or 4 starters according to some there, and Cork were at full strength according to some of their lads parents. We were the better team in the half up until the last 10 minutes when I think the sideline were a little slow to introduce subs as the lads tired. That after being 1-5 to 6 points up after playing into the wind in the 1st half. We gave them 2 soft goals from missed pick ups by the goalie and by the fullback, although in fairness the conditions were atrocious and the ball like a bar of soap. We ended up losing by 2 points but would have every hope we would beat them if we meet them again down the line.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16686 - 16/03/2024 20:17:17    2531508

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Disappointing day at the office. We never got out of second gear on the first half. Better in the second.

We've stayed up, we've found some players and we've avoided having to play Limerick for now which is probably for the best.

Hopefully we have roc, jippo and Chinner in good shape for 5 weeks time.

Loads learned from this League and it's certainly been a success overall

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3850 - 16/03/2024 20:24:02    2531509

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Has to be said Seamus Casey has been the highlight of the league. He has been fantastic and can't wait to see what he offers with a full team around him. Brilliant again today with 1-09 and 1-02 from play. Looks so sharp and will be a handful for any defender.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 16/03/2024 20:39:06    2531516

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Never nice to finish a campaign like that . Cork were just better in every aspect . We could ve conceded tat least 3 or 4 more goals . First touch from Cork gsve them the advantage in every contested area. Even with savage workrate which was not evident today when a teams touch and decision making etc are like Cork s today you will struggle unless you can match the touch . Not overly concerned we acheived the objective of being div1 next year a big positive for player development . Now it's up to players management to bring it a step further keep the workrate up improve the first touch decision making and shot selection . We can certainly compete with most teams . All ireland contenders might be a step above but steady improvement is what we want . Definitely in a better place this year . Management looked like they were trying a few things today . Only they know if any of them are what they hoped .
Over plying ball in first half and poor wides kept us from being competitive and after the 2nd Cork goal it was well over as a contest . Couple of players Jay have put themselves out of contention today fir championship start . But then everyone can have an off day. Pity we seem to get few that have them on the same day"
There's a balance between management trying new players and sending a team out without any structure to it. Rossiter got that balance wrong today and we were fortunate we didn't get a similar beating to the one Clare gave us last year. If teams push up on our puckouts we are completely reliant on Chin and maybe Richie Lawlor to win a ball. The league as a whole was positive but that's a rotten note to finish on today.

Looking ahead to Dublin, there's loads of spots still up for grabs so training should be very competitive. Still think Rossiter needs to keep faith with a lot of the new players who have shown well and give them key roles in the team.

Maybe something like

Fanning
Murphy, C Foley, S Reck
D Reck, Ryan, Molloy
Lawlor, Hearne
K Foley, Chin, McGovern, CBD
Rory, Casey

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 16/03/2024 21:02:20    2531523

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Has to be said Seamus Casey has been the highlight of the league. He has been fantastic and can't wait to see what he offers with a full team around him. Brilliant again today with 1-09 and 1-02 from play. Looks so sharp and will be a handful for any defender."
So who has played them off the team after today? Couldn't get in today.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 16/03/2024 21:06:27    2531526

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Don't think we had too many other options today. But I don't think either have ever really impressed consistently either at this level. Expected a lot from McGuckian this league after his club performances but he still seems miles off it. Egan gave him every chance too. Wants more time on the ball than you get at this level. Dunbar has speed and loads of ability but has always flattered to deceive in a Wexford jersey really. Better as a sub I'd say. I know we were missing loads but that's some reality check today."
Sorry I wasn't talking about Cathal Dunbar as I really like him and I think he's a valuable player who has a part to play whether starting or off the bench. I meant Joe O'Connor and Charlie McGuckian. Joe unfortunately just isn't up to it at this level and has had loads of chances to prove himself both in the forwards and backs. Charlie looked class at wing back for Gorey last summer but doesn't seem able to make the step up to inter county. He is worth persisting with though as a sub and may still make it as a half back/midfielder. Joe's ship has sailed as far as I'm concerned.

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 16/03/2024 21:37:04    2531546

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Very few positives to take from today other than Darragh Carley's performance on his starting debut and Seamus Casey, we had coped well to date with the number of injuries we have had but today was the first day where it really came back to bite us. I suppose for most of the league campaign, we have had players putting their hand up to start on the team, today was the first time we've had players pretty much playing themselves off the teamsheet

The first quarter was fine, they missed absolutely nothing during that period and we hit a few bad wides, it was the second quarter where they really started hammering us. On the whole, it felt like for a long time that every point attempt of theirs went over and they couldn't miss. Some of those were soft enough scores but it's hard for a team to sustain that level of efficiency. What would worry me more is that Alan Connolly got a hat-trick and he missed a hat-trick of glorious goal-scoring opportunities

Conditions were the same for both teams but they were much bigger and stronger than us plus we had a complete lack of ball-winning ability in the half-forward line, Connolly and Horgan had us under a lot of pressure but if our half-forward line hadn't have been cleaned out of it, then we wouldn't have had the same amount of high-quality ball put into acres of space in front of our full-back line

Eoin Ryan battled gamely but he still needs a year or two of S&C and Cian Byrne, as talented as he is, is in the same boat. What would worry me big-time is Joe O'Connor, 27 this year, getting pushed around and falling off his feet a lot. For me, he, McGuckian, Dunbar, and Mikie Dwyer have had enough chances in a Wexford jersey and I don't think they've done enough with the opportunities they've been given

On the brightside, at least we got our reality check before the Dublin game rather than in it, we now know what we need to work on plus can hopefully look forward to bringing Conor Devitt, Liam Ryan, Cian Molloy, Dee O'Keeffe, Liam Óg, CBD, Chin, Rory O'Connor, Jack O'Connor, and Mac back into the starting XV and the squad

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 607 - 16/03/2024 21:43:22    2531549

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Our championship showing will determine the relevance of today,for example the Waterford semi final in the 2022 league is remembered alot as it seemed to dent confidence with reflection compared to 2019 when we shipped a big defeat in Salthill in a league QF which is remembered by very few. Main positives today were Carley, Hearne and Fanning. Fanning being a positive is also a negative as he shouldn't be that busy while our shooting was very poor too and we were blown away physically at times, in fairness Cork went alot stronger than us, there building serious strength in depth to give them credit Dalton, Harnedy, Horgan, Alan Connolly, Tim O'Mahony, Kingston, Lehane, O'Flynn and Jack O'Connor all options for the forwards for example.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/03/2024 00:01:42    2531580

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Our championship showing will determine the relevance of today,for example the Waterford semi final in the 2022 league is remembered alot as it seemed to dent confidence with reflection compared to 2019 when we shipped a big defeat in Salthill in a league QF which is remembered by very few. Main positives today were Carley, Hearne and Fanning. Fanning being a positive is also a negative as he shouldn't be that busy while our shooting was very poor too and we were blown away physically at times, in fairness Cork went alot stronger than us, there building serious strength in depth to give them credit Dalton, Harnedy, Horgan, Alan Connolly, Tim O'Mahony, Kingston, Lehane, O'Flynn and Jack O'Connor all options for the forwards for example."
Casey continued his form as well to be fair.

Cork were very good. They probably had a bit more to play for than us too.

We've achieved our objectives.

In fairness we had 7 wides to there one at half time. We had a few goal chances as well but for taking the wrong option.

We were well beaten, but ultimately that was an inexperienced team against Cork at near championship pace.

We just need to get it settled now as our next two games will define our season, and set us up to give Galway plenty of it in the park hopefully.

I'm willing to be patient with Rossi. I can see what he's trying to do.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3850 - 17/03/2024 07:54:58    2531589

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