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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "Wonder what others think of this, might be nothing in it.
But round robin is creating a bigger gap between Munster and Leinster. Excluding Galway and Kilkenny more so than the rest but it's leaving Dublin, Wexford further behind, the in between teams if you will. It's helping the teams just below us but leaving us somewhere in between. Galway and Kilkenny don't seem to be effected as much as their records v Munsters bar Limerick is very good and seem to have adapted better to it than us. It wasn't as noticeable the first year or so of round robin but is it only going to create a bigger gap down the line. I for one would be all for getting rid of provincials at hurling and football so maybe I see it different. Wondering what people think. I know we weren't exactly pulling up trees before the round robin either but ourselves and Dublin we're definitely around the same standard as most of the Munster teams bar maybe Tipp at the time, who with Kilkenny were streets ahead of everyone bar maybe Galway at times. Could be nothing in it but just wondering what people think. Like Limerick are far ahead of everyone but Galway, Kilkenny, Clare, Cork, Tipp and Waterford are similar enough standard could beat each other but ourselves and Dublin seem to have been left behind a bit, became an afterthought to a lot. Antrim well deserved win as where Westmeath last couple of years. I think we've a higher ceiling than the teams ranked just below us but don't get much chances to show it bar Galway and Kilkenny games and last few years their games v us arent seen as big games as they used to. Just wondering if anyone else thinks a gap is growing and could get even bigger."
I wish I had your glasses lad. Rose tinted wouldn't be in it. We were absolutely terrible between 2009 and 2012, had two qualifier victories over poor Munster sides in 2014, Clare were poor that year, and Waterford even worse. We beat what a friend from Cork described as the worst Cork team in living memory in 2016 then.
As regards now I'm not sure if there is a gap growing. Except 2020 since 2018 I don't think we have lost to any Munster side by more than 4 points in championship. Hardly a huge gap. We only lost by 4 in 2017 also. We were definitely worse in the previous 10 years since we beat Tipp in the AIQF. So if anything the gap has closed up over the last 5 or 6 years, not got bigger.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 15:51:32    2541898

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Replying To tearintom:  "Just as an aside does anyone else feel we have gotten it slightly wrong in terms of fitness?

We looked ahead of many other teams in terms of fitness in the league but particularly on Saturday we looked like a team that was struggling in the last 10 minutes, I know momentum plays a part but just something that's been niggling at me a little.

Or am I reading too much into it?"
I dont think its fitness from what ive heard the lads have trained very hard . A lot of our issues in the final 10 minutes is our decision making and we completely start to panic if a team gets a run at us. It seems its a mental thing more than anything

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 579 - 30/04/2024 15:53:52    2541903

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/liam-ryan-set-to-return-for-wexford-hurlers-in-crucial-galway-clash/a1358568640.html
Report confirming Liam Ryan is back. Need him back starting at 3 now Saturday he's no good to us on the bench. Lads need to lose their place on the starting 15 too some of the performances haven't been near good enough. In my opinion if we are to win we need to see a team something like
Duggan
Murphy
Liam Ryan
S Reck
D Reck
Hanlon
Devitt/C Foley
Hearne
Liam Og
Jacko
Tucker/Dwyer
Chin
ROC
Mac ( Lucky to keep his place needs to up his performance)
Cian Byrne

Im convinced we have players good enough to compete with galway if we bring the right intensity"
After saying lads need to lose their place, and that we need to play with the right intensity, you are sticking with Mac, and starting Jacko ? If Jacko starts I really hope it's the good Jacko we get on Saturday. Also you aren't playing any sort of holding midfielder there? Are we going 15 on 15 with that team?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 15:57:47    2541912

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "I dont think its fitness from what ive heard the lads have trained very hard . A lot of our issues in the final 10 minutes is our decision making and we completely start to panic if a team gets a run at us. It seems its a mental thing more than anything"
I think so too Afinestick.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 16:00:52    2541918

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Don't want to burst any bubbles but Wexford need to focus on beating Carlow in Carlow which is no given.
Win over Galway or Kilkenny a bonus but that game is going to decide the future of Wexford hurling.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 30/04/2024 16:03:34    2541920

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't want to burst any bubbles but Wexford need to focus on beating Carlow in Carlow which is no given.
Win over Galway or Kilkenny a bonus but that game is going to decide the future of Wexford hurling."
No point looking that far ahead Exiled. We need to win this Saturday, never mind next Saturday. Carlow will bring a completely different set of problems. Galway didn't have it all their own way against them and neither did Dublin. But one game at a time.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 16:06:57    2541924

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "I dont think its fitness from what ive heard the lads have trained very hard . A lot of our issues in the final 10 minutes is our decision making and we completely start to panic if a team gets a run at us. It seems its a mental thing more than anything"
I don't doubt we've trained hard.

It's more of a timing thing and I was just wondering did we peak too early.

It's not an easy thing to get right to be fair, trying to peak at the right time fitness wise.

But 100% we have a mental issue, a flakiness if you will where just seem to switch off and seem unable ke to switch it back on, it's infuriating because I do think we have the hurlers with the ability

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 30/04/2024 16:25:10    2541953

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Replying To Viking66:  "After saying lads need to lose their place, and that we need to play with the right intensity, you are sticking with Mac, and starting Jacko ? If Jacko starts I really hope it's the good Jacko we get on Saturday. Also you aren't playing any sort of holding midfielder there? Are we going 15 on 15 with that team?"
I think Jacko is in our best 15 and we need to go with that. Same with Mac he scored 2 points on Saturday but I would agree needs to up his game. In my team Fanning, Donohoe and Dunbar dropped out and possibly Conor Foley. I think its unlikely there will be any more than 3 or 4 changes

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 579 - 30/04/2024 16:40:25    2541964

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Replying To Viking66:  "I wish I had your glasses lad. Rose tinted wouldn't be in it. We were absolutely terrible between 2009 and 2012, had two qualifier victories over poor Munster sides in 2014, Clare were poor that year, and Waterford even worse. We beat what a friend from Cork described as the worst Cork team in living memory in 2016 then.
As regards now I'm not sure if there is a gap growing. Except 2020 since 2018 I don't think we have lost to any Munster side by more than 4 points in championship. Hardly a huge gap. We only lost by 4 in 2017 also. We were definitely worse in the previous 10 years since we beat Tipp in the AIQF. So if anything the gap has closed up over the last 5 or 6 years, not got bigger."
But it is 8 years since we won a game v Munster team and 13 years for Dublin. We were very poor in late 00s and early 10s but we were still able to get wins v Munster teams. I think as a whole Munster has improved and I don't think we'd beat any of the Munster teams in a championship game, same for Dublin. We're in some in between level between Joe Mac and the chasing pack behind Limerick. Bar 22 and 19 we haven't looked like winning any of those games, even the close ones. Just looks like ourselves and Dublin have been left behind a bit the last few years. Sure we both can win v Galway or Kilkenny but never both in the one year. Just feels like we're being forgotten about a little and we haven't really done anything to change that opinion. I do think the Leinster championship gets a lot of unwarranted hate but tbf none of us have won a game bar the top two and they have been more that able to beat the Munster teams. I think there's a gap between Limerick and the chasing pack but I think ourselves and Dublin have fallen behind that chasing pack and are very close to Joe Mac level teams and there is a lot of evidence to back that up the last few years.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 30/04/2024 16:45:45    2541970

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Replying To Viking66:  "After saying lads need to lose their place, and that we need to play with the right intensity, you are sticking with Mac, and starting Jacko ? If Jacko starts I really hope it's the good Jacko we get on Saturday. Also you aren't playing any sort of holding midfielder there? Are we going 15 on 15 with that team?"
I would play Hearne more so holding with Mogie more attacking. I think both need to up their games too. No not 15 on 15 ROC would be a roaming half forward . It's hard to predict the team when so many lads have under performed. I expect Niall Murphy, Liam Ryan, Hanlon, S Reck, D Reck, Chin, ROC and Cian Byrne to 100% start but after that anyone that does start can count themselves lucky to get the chance.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 579 - 30/04/2024 16:53:03    2541974

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Watched the highlights, whatever about our problems with dealing with the high ball in to the square… that first goal was sub-standard to say the least. Two backs vs one forward with D Reck covering and he waltzes through to play the pass across. Foul him 25 yards from goal, take the card and make them have to settle for a point.

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 30/04/2024 17:13:35    2541993

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "I would play Hearne more so holding with Mogie more attacking. I think both need to up their games too. No not 15 on 15 ROC would be a roaming half forward . It's hard to predict the team when so many lads have under performed. I expect Niall Murphy, Liam Ryan, Hanlon, S Reck, D Reck, Chin, ROC and Cian Byrne to 100% start but after that anyone that does start can count themselves lucky to get the chance."
Mogie looks lost in the position he is being asked to play. He should be at wing forward where he's able to run at defence.

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 30/04/2024 17:19:34    2541995

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Mogie looks lost in the position he is being asked to play. He should be at wing forward where he's able to run at defence."
Id agree but we arent blessed with options there at the minute with hearne, Mogie, lawlor and K foley all out of form. Id even consider moving D Reck to midfield with Jippo at 3 and Hanlon at 6.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 579 - 30/04/2024 17:27:11    2542001

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "I would play Hearne more so holding with Mogie more attacking. I think both need to up their games too. No not 15 on 15 ROC would be a roaming half forward . It's hard to predict the team when so many lads have under performed. I expect Niall Murphy, Liam Ryan, Hanlon, S Reck, D Reck, Chin, ROC and Cian Byrne to 100% start but after that anyone that does start can count themselves lucky to get the chance."
Not sure Hearne reads the game well enough to be the holding midfielder. Kevin, or Dee if fit, are the men for that job.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 17:57:26    2542016

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "I think Jacko is in our best 15 and we need to go with that. Same with Mac he scored 2 points on Saturday but I would agree needs to up his game. In my team Fanning, Donohoe and Dunbar dropped out and possibly Conor Foley. I think its unlikely there will be any more than 3 or 4 changes"
Jacko has only really played well in one game this year. Against a Kilkenny B team in Callan. Was poor last year too apart from the 1st half against Antrim. He's very skilful. And big. But epitomises Wexfords inconsistency.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 18:00:20    2542018

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "But it is 8 years since we won a game v Munster team and 13 years for Dublin. We were very poor in late 00s and early 10s but we were still able to get wins v Munster teams. I think as a whole Munster has improved and I don't think we'd beat any of the Munster teams in a championship game, same for Dublin. We're in some in between level between Joe Mac and the chasing pack behind Limerick. Bar 22 and 19 we haven't looked like winning any of those games, even the close ones. Just looks like ourselves and Dublin have been left behind a bit the last few years. Sure we both can win v Galway or Kilkenny but never both in the one year. Just feels like we're being forgotten about a little and we haven't really done anything to change that opinion. I do think the Leinster championship gets a lot of unwarranted hate but tbf none of us have won a game bar the top two and they have been more that able to beat the Munster teams. I think there's a gap between Limerick and the chasing pack but I think ourselves and Dublin have fallen behind that chasing pack and are very close to Joe Mac level teams and there is a lot of evidence to back that up the last few years."
That's a very inconsistent post. You are saying Dublin and Wexford can beat Galway and Kilkenny in Championship games but not the Munster teams that Galway and Kilkenny can beat. Being as we haven't played Cork and Limerick in nearly 10 years it's hard to understand your logic. Clare only narrowly beat us in 2022 after their B team hammered Waterford the game previous, yet you obviously think we wouldn't have beaten Waterford that year. Or Tipp who even Waterford beat. Why is that?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 18:07:15    2542021

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "But it is 8 years since we won a game v Munster team and 13 years for Dublin. We were very poor in late 00s and early 10s but we were still able to get wins v Munster teams. I think as a whole Munster has improved and I don't think we'd beat any of the Munster teams in a championship game, same for Dublin. We're in some in between level between Joe Mac and the chasing pack behind Limerick. Bar 22 and 19 we haven't looked like winning any of those games, even the close ones. Just looks like ourselves and Dublin have been left behind a bit the last few years. Sure we both can win v Galway or Kilkenny but never both in the one year. Just feels like we're being forgotten about a little and we haven't really done anything to change that opinion. I do think the Leinster championship gets a lot of unwarranted hate but tbf none of us have won a game bar the top two and they have been more that able to beat the Munster teams. I think there's a gap between Limerick and the chasing pack but I think ourselves and Dublin have fallen behind that chasing pack and are very close to Joe Mac level teams and there is a lot of evidence to back that up the last few years."
We have only got to play the best or 2nd best team in Munster in most of the years since that. In 2017 we only lost twice, to the 2 AI finalists that year. In 2018 we lost to Clare who finished 2nd in the Munster Round Robin losing only 1 game. In 2019 we narrowly lost to Tipp who were unbeaten in the Munster Round Robin and topped the table that year. 2020 we lost to Waterford who were runners up in Munster that year. 2021 we lost to Clare by a single score, 2022 we again lost narrowly to the Munster Round Robin table toppers. We dont get to play the teams who are #### in Munster in any given year. Only the best or 2nd best teams.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15712 - 30/04/2024 18:16:20    2542027

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not sure Hearne reads the game well enough to be the holding midfielder. Kevin, or Dee if fit, are the men for that job."
Don't think Dee will be fit unfortunately . Kevin could be good option sitting back but needs to up his game too

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 579 - 30/04/2024 18:43:42    2542040

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a very inconsistent post. You are saying Dublin and Wexford can beat Galway and Kilkenny in Championship games but not the Munster teams that Galway and Kilkenny can beat. Being as we haven't played Cork and Limerick in nearly 10 years it's hard to understand your logic. Clare only narrowly beat us in 2022 after their B team hammered Waterford the game previous, yet you obviously think we wouldn't have beaten Waterford that year. Or Tipp who even Waterford beat. Why is that?"
But we haven't beaten any of those Munster teams that the top 2 in Leinster have…..and we haven't beaten Galway either. We'll take our results v Tier 1 hurling counties since that win v Cork in 2016
2017 lost to Waterford, 2018 lost to Clare, 2019 lost to Tipp, 2020 lost to Clare, 2021 lost to Clare, 2022 lost to Clare, 2023 get out of Leinster.
2017, 2018, 2020, 2023 lost to Galway
2019, 2022 drew to Galway
2018, 2021 lost to Kilkenny
2017, 2019, 2022, 2023 beat Kilkenny
2019 drew with Kilkenny
2018 beat Dublin
2019, 2024 drew with Dublin
2022, 2023 lost to Dublin.
Didn't play Limerick or Cork in that time period but whatever about Cork, I don't think we'd have gotten a win v Limerick, maybe 2017 we could've beaten Limerick but not after that.
So 5 wins from 24 games v Top tier opposition with 4 of those wins v Kilkenny, which in itself is on mad outlier, and 1 win v Dublin and of course the few losses and draw to Antrim and Westmeath.
Well we were a puck of a ball from going down Joe Mac last year and staring down the barrel of another possible relegation battle so no I don't think we would've have. You're kinda treating narrow losses as some kind of victory. 2019 semi and 2022 quarter final only time we looked like winning any of those games v Munster teams and still found ways to loose them.
But happy to debate this, makes the evening entertaining, all entitled to our views. I just think that overall standard of Munster has improved due to round robin whereas Leinster probably has gotten a bit lower, albeit it has improved the Joe McDonagh teams and done a whole lot more for growing hurling in Ireland than anything Munster has done even with its great games to watch. Open to hearing all arguments against it but need proof. Numbers don't lie

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 30/04/2024 18:43:47    2542042

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Rightly or wrongly, I can't see Duggan displacing Fanning so here's what I would go with:

Fanning
Shane Reck
Jippo
Murphy
Damien Reck
MOH
Devitt
Hearne
Conor Foley
Jacko
Chin
Richie Lawlor
Casey
ROC
Cian Byrne

Not a big full-forward line so *should* in theory make us play low ball in, having Chin out the field encourages the running game

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 490 - 30/04/2024 18:53:44    2542046

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