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The usual anti-football rubbish out in force as usual. Pretty pathetic but what we're all used to sadly.

What's being done in hurling isn't good enough. Let's have a long look at ourselves first. It can't always blame someone else. Fact is, hurling coaching, management and knowledge in Wexford is about 20 years behind every other hurling county. That has nothing to do with football.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 28/04/2024 21:19:09    2541294

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Soccer is a bigger threat to hurling than gaelic football is folks. Senior and intermediate hurling (and football teams) not training at full blast since January because several starters are playing soccer leagues away until well into May. Gaelic football and hurling go hand in hand and help each other, not hinder each other. Soccer does not help at all, and I know several good clubs where it's holding their teams back massively.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 28/04/2024 21:24:21    2541296

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Replying To Viking66:  "On the other hand if we win our last 3 games we will likely be in a Leinster final."
Yeah, Galway are a good side but based on their performance today, if we were to actually go out and hurl like we can rather than mess around, we'd have every chance of winning

Problem is that if we win, people will be saying that why can't we hurl like that every week and we should be on 6 points but we're wasting good opportunities

And then if we lose, well....

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 28/04/2024 21:29:22    2541301

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "Paul I'm not disagreeing but can you give some examples of what changes you'd make to improve things. I posted the link to the document Co board sent out earlier and nobody has suggested anything that would help."
It's a long term fix. Will take 6 to 8 years to be truly competitive again with the top 4 Counties.
Way more organised training and coaching initiatives ran in conjunction with the Coaching Office from ages 10 to 12 . This can be done on a hub or district basis. We cannot leave it up to the clubs or National schools alone no matter how many Wexford Ways we throw at them.
This will cost money so more funds will mean more top class coaching for more kids.
From ages 13 to 16 we are doing as much as we can club and County wise but this is where we need to invest in Secondary schools.
1st and 2nd years are well catered for but after that it's only Junior / Senior. Way too much of a spread to cover 4 years in school. We need a stand alone 3rd year competition for boys not making the Junior team to keep them involved as at least half of boys moving from 2nd year to 3rd year do not make the Junior Panel.
Then I would look at our Minor championship.
Max 7 hurling games is not enough for that age Grade.
There is only roughly 14 weeks to run the minor championship so can we give clubs an option to play in a 10Rd hurling championship / 4 rd football championship or stick with the 7 / 7??
If 10 clubs wanted to go 10/4 then let them at it.
Why must hurling and football game programmes be identical?
If all those were implemented I would be very hopeful we will be back winning Leinsters at all age groups by 2030.

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 197 - 28/04/2024 21:35:20    2541303

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Yeah, Galway are a good side but based on their performance today, if we were to actually go out and hurl like we can rather than mess around, we'd have every chance of winning

Problem is that if we win, people will be saying that why can't we hurl like that every week and we should be on 6 points but we're wasting good opportunities

And then if we lose, well...."
Well we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 28/04/2024 21:43:42    2541307

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Replying To Timbertony:  "One of the lads commentary yesterday said Lee Chin reminded him of Joe Canning at his peak. No slight on Lee but I'm wondering is that part of our problem. Galway when Canning was at his best were dreadful, maybe not to the level we are now, but poor all the same. I think there were lads playing for us yesterday who wanted to pass the buck constantly by whacking it in Lee's general direction. In the league we mixed it up with running through the lines and hitting the ball into space for likes of Casey or Cian Byrne to run onto. All those patterns of play seem to have disappeared with putting Lee inside, not his fault obviously but I think it's weakened the team. There was no point whacking a high ball into Casey so players had to think about what they were doing more.

Rossiter had a bit of a nightmare on the line yesterday too. Byrne went very well but bringing back in Mac for Casey was a terrible decision. Out of all the defenders, how he thought Murphy was the worst one beat all. He was far too soft in not hooking a couple of them at the break, Dunbar for one. The danger signs were there in the first half. We lacked ruthlessness on the pitch and sideline I'm afraid.

I'd still give us a fair chance against an average Galway team but it's time to move on from likes of Fanning, Donohue, Mac, Foley, Dunbar and McGovern. At least start some new blood anyway and keep the older lads in reserve. No idea what to do at 6"
Problem right now is that our bench is weak enough, for me there are max four players who were on the bench yesterday and would be able to come into the starting team: Jacko, Seamus Casey, Richie Lawlor, and Conor Devitt. No idea why Eoin Ryan was being brought on before Devitt, thought that was a strange one

Might be for the best that we move Conor Foley back to 3, move MOH to 6, and then Damien Reck to wing-back

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 28/04/2024 21:46:29    2541308

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Replying To Wexican55:  "Are we really having the " it's footballs fault " argument again ?... it wasn't footballs fault when we won leinster in 19.

Clare have a population roughly 40k lower than ours and can compete in both liam Mccarthy and Sam maguire...

What is the proposal make players choose ? Forbid them from playing one sport ?.

Hurling is in bad shape because of hurling. We have won minor leinster title in over 30 years. We haven't competed in a minor all Ireland in over 45 years.

We haven't won an all Ireland under 20/21 in god knows when.

The senior hurling budget needs to be cut and funding put into underage structure. More needs to be done from the ground up starting in primary schools.

None of the above is to do with football or dual players"
Football is the killer.
Growing up in Wexford we play almost as much football overall as hurling.
We are in a position doing that to be average at both.
If we had North football south hurling it wouldn't be as bad.
But almost every club in wexford play both and if you can't see that ot takes from 1 or the other well that's a problem in itself.

wex82 (Wexford) - Posts: 214 - 28/04/2024 21:50:04    2541309

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One thing in the fallout, the clubs that maybe prioritise football over hurling show the other code more respect than the other way around

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1486 - 28/04/2024 22:04:29    2541312

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In what year did we really get Hurling 365 up and going all across the county?

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 28/04/2024 22:04:33    2541313

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Change the whole set up put chin centre back . Damien to wing back and Donohoe out .
Fanning
Murphy
Ohanlon
Reck s
Reck d
Chin
Foley c
Lawlor
Hearne
Rory
Jack o c
Tucker
Byrne c
Casey
Foley Kevin
Foley comes out to middle to cover chin foley Reck lawlor going forward . .if we can supply good quality ball to inside 2 we surely can do damage but really need to boss middle third . Yesterday we came up well short in that area getting beaten to every breaking ball and any we won we coughed up again cheaply .
Give Antrim real credit they got their plan right and not just targeted our weakest areas literally destroyed them . We just looked wrong yesterday even at 7pts up we looked too nervous and always vulnerable to high ball, breaking ball or lads running at us . Antrim gave us a lesson in execution of a gane plan. A deserved win .
At this stage something has to change the old guard are just not firing . We need to change it up ."
Duggan
Murphy, Ryan (hopefully), S Reck,
O'Hanlon, D Reck, Devitt,
Hearne Kevin Foley(sitting deep just in front of halfback line)
Lawlor, Dwyer, Chin, Rory
Byrne, Casey.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 28/04/2024 22:16:49    2541319

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When they arrive at the nursery age 5 or 6 after 2 to 3 weeks . Tell them it's either football or hurling you can't do both .
It's not about you or your participation for the betterment of your health both physical and mental or your development and being part of the greatest most inclusive organisation in Ireland where you can be part if sonething special all your life . It's about all irelands and being competitive at the top table of hurling .
So choose now or forever be the reason we did nt win more at hurling.

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 353 - 28/04/2024 22:28:35    2541321

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Thought that came in to my head on the way home - I think we're slowly becoming the new Offaly."
Are we not the new Offaly already..?

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 28/04/2024 22:47:12    2541327

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "i cant figure out whats gone wrong with wexford hurling . ye seem to have some very good hurlers and should be well able to beat the dublins antrims and westmeaths . i taught that when rossiter came in there would be a kick in ye this year. i was there in 96 in the canal end when ye beat us and the place went wild after the final whistle... something is just not right."
Unfortunately we've been grappling with that very same question for the last 40 odd years, notwithstanding 1996 which was totally unexpected. We have a lot of very good hurlers but a lot of things are not right. A huge part of the problem is mental fragility. That is killing us year after year.

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 28/04/2024 23:01:20    2541328

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Replying To beano:  "One thing in the fallout, the clubs that maybe prioritise football over hurling show the other code more respect than the other way around"
Ain't that the truth,

It's actually scary how many people think if football wasn't around we would be winning all irelands left right and centre!

As predictable as it is stupid!

And when I generally meet these people in person they tend to be the ones who haven't a clue about the GAA in this county and do shag all to help it. Some of the posts here are fair evidence of that.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 28/04/2024 23:17:57    2541331

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Replying To Viking66:  "Duggan
Murphy, Ryan (hopefully), S Reck,
O'Hanlon, D Reck, Devitt,
Hearne Kevin Foley(sitting deep just in front of halfback line)
Lawlor, Dwyer, Chin, Rory
Byrne, Casey."
I don't know if casey has the speed for intercounty championship hurlingjf I'm being honest, and I think reck is a fabulous player but again I don't know if he's a centre back attain level.

I think Jack o Connor needs to come in, we lack size,we seem to have been breeding players that lack size and physicality in the last few years, Galway are the opposite really.

If we take the same approach against Galway that we have been doing, just lamping long ball down we will,be ate alive I fear.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 28/04/2024 23:27:43    2541335

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Replying To Wexican55:  "Are we really having the " it's footballs fault " argument again ?... it wasn't footballs fault when we won leinster in 19.

Clare have a population roughly 40k lower than ours and can compete in both liam Mccarthy and Sam maguire...

What is the proposal make players choose ? Forbid them from playing one sport ?.

Hurling is in bad shape because of hurling. We have won minor leinster title in over 30 years. We haven't competed in a minor all Ireland in over 45 years.

We haven't won an all Ireland under 20/21 in god knows when.

The senior hurling budget needs to be cut and funding put into underage structure. More needs to be done from the ground up starting in primary schools.

None of the above is to do with football or dual players"
The big difference in Clare is that the county is divided into football in the west and hurling in the east. In Wexford, almost all clubs are dual with the exception of Buffers Alley, Oulart etc

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 28/04/2024 23:32:39    2541336

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "In what year did we really get Hurling 365 up and going all across the county?"
It's still not in every national school

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 29/04/2024 06:16:59    2541342

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Problem right now is that our bench is weak enough, for me there are max four players who were on the bench yesterday and would be able to come into the starting team: Jacko, Seamus Casey, Richie Lawlor, and Conor Devitt. No idea why Eoin Ryan was being brought on before Devitt, thought that was a strange one

Might be for the best that we move Conor Foley back to 3, move MOH to 6, and then Damien Reck to wing-back"
Dwyer is a good player and usually is busy. Has started more championship games than Lawlor or Casey, and maybe Devitt too. Should've started against Antrim.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 29/04/2024 06:20:01    2541343

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Are we not the new Offaly already..?"
No we aren't in the Christy Ring

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 29/04/2024 06:58:40    2541344

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Replying To tearintom:  "I don't know if casey has the speed for intercounty championship hurlingjf I'm being honest, and I think reck is a fabulous player but again I don't know if he's a centre back attain level.

I think Jack o Connor needs to come in, we lack size,we seem to have been breeding players that lack size and physicality in the last few years, Galway are the opposite really.

If we take the same approach against Galway that we have been doing, just lamping long ball down we will,be ate alive I fear."
Size is no good without workrate and intensity. That's why I went with Dwyer over Jacko. Dwyer is a strong lad also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15638 - 29/04/2024 07:05:31    2541345

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