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Replying To Pikeman96:  "But even that would involve a re-drawing of the club season, just to get the All-Ireland Finals back to September, apparently just so certain people can watch hurling or football on the telly then, instead of soccer or rugby.

The chances of there being designated 'club weeks' or 'club fortnights' built into the inter-county season are absolutely negligible, for many many reasons which I could outline here, but for how the post would become far longer than even some of the ones I already write! But I'll still do so in a future post if you or anybody else wants me to.

The thing that will have to give is that those who continue to complain about the All-Ireland Finals no longer being in September will have to accept that's the way it is now, and further complaints are pointless."
What could give, but probably wouldn't any time soon, is that club games run through the year on different days to the county team playing. Intercounty players stay with the county as long as they're named in squads for duration of their league and/or chamionshipship campaigns. Can then return to clubs. Clubs missing intercounty players would suffer and surely object. But it would give more flexibility arranging intercounty and club games.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7259 - 26/09/2023 16:30:26    2505872

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "But even that would involve a re-drawing of the club season, just to get the All-Ireland Finals back to September, apparently just so certain people can watch hurling or football on the telly then, instead of soccer or rugby.

The chances of there being designated 'club weeks' or 'club fortnights' built into the inter-county season are absolutely negligible, for many many reasons which I could outline here, but for how the post would become far longer than even some of the ones I already write! But I'll still do so in a future post if you or anybody else wants me to.

The thing that will have to give is that those who continue to complain about the All-Ireland Finals no longer being in September will have to accept that's the way it is now, and further complaints are pointless."
It happened less than 5-6 years ago? Its not something from 1/4 of a century ago.
What happened in the meantime is that inter county managers stole the show, stopped their players having a life and now we have amateur players with a crazy schedule to please everyone while pleasing nobody.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 26/09/2023 16:34:17    2505873

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Hahaaha
You cant compare the two and the stats around injuries dont back up that
physios/docs arent at and dont need to come on at a lower level near the rate they do at pro games"
I get that and naturally that is the case.
But, I want my sons to play GAA at the best level they can. If they were playing rugby I would be thinking the higher the level, the higher the collision rate, the higher the injury rate.
I suppose come to think of it, physios are on a lot in inter county GAA, but those are tactical rather than real injuries.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 26/09/2023 16:36:32    2505874

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Why do Children not watch gaelic games on TV in June/July but would if the big County games were played in August/September??

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1279 - 26/09/2023 17:15:16    2505882

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What could give, but probably wouldn't any time soon, is that club games run through the year on different days to the county team playing. Intercounty players stay with the county as long as they're named in squads for duration of their league and/or chamionshipship campaigns. Can then return to clubs. Clubs missing intercounty players would suffer and surely object. But it would give more flexibility arranging intercounty and club games."
Are you talking about running club championship matches during the intercounty season and that clubs will be missing their county players?
That's a complete non-runner. It would disproportionately penalise smaller clubs who have 1 or 2 star players. The bigger clubs with larger panels and more depth would benefit.
It's hard enough for smaller clubs as it is.
I've used this example before but telling Fossa they have to play championship without the Cliffords would be a bad joke.
The players themselves wouldn't agree to it.
How do you even think that's a solution?

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1995 - 26/09/2023 18:48:20    2505894

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Replying To journeyman:  "Unfortunately it will be in 10 years time when you see smaller playing numbers and rural clubs forced to amalgamate that you will see the true impact of the split season. It may suit club players now but what about the club coaches\volunteers struggling to put underage teams out. Some of these club players will be volunteers in the future so will they have the same view. Certainty around fixtures and being able to plan holidays is being quoted as a advantage of the split season but surely there is a way to allow this."
I've no doubt myself that there'll be smaller playing number in the future, and rural clubs having to amalgamate or fold, but I don't think the split season will be the main reason for that.

Instead, it'll be due to several other factors, such as the planning policies of various Local Authorities, the consequent ongoing rural depopulation, and other broad societal changes. It won't be because there's no longer a big hurling or football match on the telly during September.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 26/09/2023 23:22:36    2505915

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What could give, but probably wouldn't any time soon, is that club games run through the year on different days to the county team playing. Intercounty players stay with the county as long as they're named in squads for duration of their league and/or chamionshipship campaigns. Can then return to clubs. Clubs missing intercounty players would suffer and surely object. But it would give more flexibility arranging intercounty and club games."
Might sound all right in theory, but in reality, there's absolutely no chance of clubs accepting the prospect of having to play championship matches without their inter-county players.

In Wexford football this year, for example, Castletown (the reigning champions) and their neighbours Kilanerin would have been down five players each, based on Wexford's matchday 26 in our last Tailteann Cup match v Meath. Meanwhile, other clubs they'd be playing in the championship might only be down one, or even none at all.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 26/09/2023 23:26:50    2505916

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "It happened less than 5-6 years ago? Its not something from 1/4 of a century ago.
What happened in the meantime is that inter county managers stole the show, stopped their players having a life and now we have amateur players with a crazy schedule to please everyone while pleasing nobody."
What happened in the few years leading up to 2019 was that there was a designated "club month" of April - i.e. one designated club period, that fell in between one inter-county competition (the National League) finishing, and another one (the championship) starting.

What's being proposed here now is several designated club periods, interspersed throughout the actual running of inter-county competitions.

Two very different things.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 26/09/2023 23:29:43    2505917

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Why do Children not watch gaelic games on TV in June/July but would if the big County games were played in August/September??"
Smiley face :)

Exactly. You'd have to expect at least 95% of children (or indeed, anyone of any age) who'd watch an All-Ireland Final in September would also watch it in July.

And here's another one. Maybe for the sake of attracting children to gaelic games, it's actually better to have them on in July??

Consider the following:

All-Ireland Final on in September and child who doesn't yet play is looking at it.
- "Daddy, that looks like a great sport, and I'd like to try play it myself."
- "That's a pity son, because the underage season around here will be winding down in a few weeks, and you'll have to wait until next March or April to get a chance to play again."
- "Okay Daddy, I'll just go and play soccer instead, because they have lots of matches coming up over the winter".

But, All-Ireland Final on in July, and the same child is looking at it.
- "Daddy, that looks like a great sport, and I'd like to try play it myself."
- "Okay son, I'll bring you down to the local club next week, and you'll have about three months of training and matches to enjoy."
- "Brilliant, Daddy! Can't wait!"

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 26/09/2023 23:38:00    2505918

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Why do Children not watch gaelic games on TV in June/July but would if the big County games were played in August/September??"
And kids go back to school end of August also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11225 - 27/09/2023 07:36:36    2505924

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Why do Children not watch gaelic games on TV in June/July but would if the big County games were played in August/September??"
And there being no rugby, soccer, etc to watch in June/July?
Its a case of just people wanting stuff to be nostalgic about. If anything, I always thought if Man U and Liverpool were playing on All-Ireland final day, it would reduce the viewing figures significantly.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1723 - 27/09/2023 09:36:46    2505935

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Why do Children not watch gaelic games on TV in June/July but would if the big County games were played in August/September??"
They will if they want. Its just that every other year the GAA will be up against the World Cup or the European Championships - add in the Olympics and there will be a huge battle to get people attending.

Another problem is the inter-county season is now very short - for all the extra games; it goes by in the blink of an eye.

And for what? We're still seeing the big club games being played in water-parks. Certainty of fixtures can be provided in other ways.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 27/09/2023 09:44:17    2505942

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Replying To brianb:  "They will if they want. Its just that every other year the GAA will be up against the World Cup or the European Championships - add in the Olympics and there will be a huge battle to get people attending.

Another problem is the inter-county season is now very short - for all the extra games; it goes by in the blink of an eye.

And for what? We're still seeing the big club games being played in water-parks. Certainty of fixtures can be provided in other ways."
Re. "waterparks" - we had particularly bad weather on Sunday all right, but hey, this is Ireland. Just two weeks earlier (so also in September), it was so hot that Co. Board here in Wexford decided to re-introduce water breaks for matches that weekend.

Also, don't forget that even if there were "club windows" during the inter-county competitions, most county finals still wouldn't be played until late September at the earliest anyway, and more likely October.

That's because the counties actually in the All-Ireland Finals wouldn't be able to finish theirs any earlier, and so the provincial club competitions couldn't start any earlier, and most County Board would continue to schedule their own county finals for the week or two before the winners are due out in the provincial championship.

So, still a chance of "waterparks" at the latter end of county championships anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 27/09/2023 11:12:15    2505967

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Replying To brianb:  "They will if they want. Its just that every other year the GAA will be up against the World Cup or the European Championships - add in the Olympics and there will be a huge battle to get people attending.

Another problem is the inter-county season is now very short - for all the extra games; it goes by in the blink of an eye.

And for what? We're still seeing the big club games being played in water-parks. Certainty of fixtures can be provided in other ways."
Such as.....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1279 - 27/09/2023 11:54:25    2505975

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To me the GAA have made a right mess of the split season. For example 1.3 million tune into Irish rugby on Saturday evening.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2508 - 27/09/2023 12:20:26    2505985

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Replying To galwayford:  "To me the GAA have made a right mess of the split season. For example 1.3 million tune into Irish rugby on Saturday evening."
Would they not watch the rugger if we hadn't the split season?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1279 - 27/09/2023 12:36:39    2505989

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The Intercounty GAA championship is the big selling promotion opportunity for the GAA, big crowds, star players on show, media coverage etc. This has now been reduced from 8 months to 6 months. If I have a Shop Window and I only have it open for 6 months of the year rather than 8 months do I expect that my sales will be up or down? Similar I would expect to attract less kids to Gaelic Games as a result of reducing the window of Intercounty matches. It is simple logic.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 104 - 27/09/2023 13:33:29    2505994

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Replying To galwayford:  "To me the GAA have made a right mess of the split season. For example 1.3 million tune into Irish rugby on Saturday evening."
That's some Quantum leap you've made.... yes they've made a mess of the season but what's that got to do with how many people watch rugby during a world cup year?

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 793 - 27/09/2023 13:54:11    2506000

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Replying To galwayford:  "To me the GAA have made a right mess of the split season. For example 1.3 million tune into Irish rugby on Saturday evening."
Please explain why there wouldn't have been as many watching that rugby match on Saturday night if a different match (i.e. the All-Ireland Football Final) had been on Sunday, or the previous Sunday?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 27/09/2023 13:55:53    2506001

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Such as....."
As other posters have said - stand up to the County Manager and bring in a master fixtures list. There is no reason why a player could not play for their club on weekend and their county the next.

Since ruling out replays and ensuring games are settled on the day you could set out in January every year what the season was going to look like - allowing everyone to know when their games are going to be. Right up to the county finals.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 27/09/2023 16:52:01    2506026

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