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1 - How many children have given up gaelic games because there are no inter-county matches during August & September?
2 - When, where and how did these primary school teachers make these remarks?
3 - How would teachers even know the level of interest the children had in the final in July anyway, unless they (the teachers) called to the home of every child at the time to see if they were watching it, and celebrating the victory?
4 - Even if it is the case, do you accept it might be just a Dublin issue? If Kerry had won, it would hardly have gone 'under the radar' there. And let's say Mayo sometime won an All-Ireland Football title in July....there wouldn't be a schoolchild in the county who wouldn't know about it.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2146 - 25/09/2023 11:56:59 2505577Link 3
There is no doubt that the split season is going to a have a negative impact on playing numbers in the years ahead. Even though it is only 2 months since the All Irelands it feels much longer. There has been very little coverage of any club matches on TV and most people have little interest in these games. Rugby & soccer dominate the TV and Media at the moment. Trying to attract kids from non GAA backgrounds is very difficult now where as in contrast if the All Ireland's were on in Sept there would be discussion, talk on the match in schools which all feeds into a child's interest in sport.
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 104 - 25/09/2023 15:19:50 2505651Link 1
Would it be reasonable to now set aside the best interests of many thousands of people who are very definitely from GAA backgrounds (i.e. club players right across the country), for the sake of young children from non-GAA backgrounds who might never take up the sports anyway, even if the All-Ireland Finals returned to being on TV in September?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2146 - 25/09/2023 16:06:54 2505669Link 2
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7254 - 25/09/2023 17:02:30 2505684Link 2
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7698 - 25/09/2023 18:37:49 2505696Link 0
It's a pity the Railway Cup has faded away. Provincial representation is the most the GAA can offer when there is no meaningful national representation.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7698 - 25/09/2023 18:46:05 2505698Link 0
Not sure i agree with much of your post.
But media definitely helps attract more people to play especially kids.
How much more can GAA "top brass" really get from the cul camps in terms of promotion etc?
You cant compare marketing strategy of a club to the national organisation as a whole. completely different aims/targets and strategies to be employed by each.
Reducing prices by how much will get moe people in and just reducing prices wont get a better atmosphere to games unless you make other changes as well. Just reducing ticket prices will see less income made and the same type of atmosphere at games.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3449 - 25/09/2023 18:55:34 2505700Link 0
Plenty of kids do take up GAA because of what seen on tv especially now with far more internationals etc who wont have played GAA as kids themselves
GAA dont need or want to put moe media exposure on kids summer camps.
What exactly would you want the GAA to do with cul camps exactly.
How much national media interest is there in many individual club GAA games?
You cant compare GAA hq and their media policy/practices with those of individual clubs.
Reducing ticket prices wont improve atmosphere. can you try explain how just reducing ticket prices by a fiver/tenner would improve atmosphere at a game?
Your idea about "grassroots volunteers" mixing with the commercial staff in hq is delusional
This prob wont be uploaded.... why....
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3449 - 25/09/2023 19:33:41 2505707Link 0
There is plenty who do only start GAA and any other number of sports because they see it on tv especially those kids whos parents never played/arent irish etc.
What more can the GAA do exactly about cul camps? What more do you think the GAA should change about its promotion of these camps?
You cant compare the marketing the GAA does on a national scale with what a club does because they are nothing alike. complete macro v micro....
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3449 - 25/09/2023 21:03:24 2505720Link 0
Some interesting points, but the fundementals of the GAA setup is different from other sports. GAA games are not an international sport so it hasnt got that component. Everything goes in cycles, people may have missed on Sat afternoon before Ireland v SA rugby epic, 39k turned up to watch a natilnal Irish ladies soccer match in Aviva, a full house to watch a pretty poor mens game recently. Its participation that keeps a game alive, oarticipation in soccer is still highest. Yet we have a small national league. I believe it will not be too long before league of Ireland womens games will have more watching the live club scene than the mens. The power of TV is greatly exaggerated in relation to its effect on participation. I have watched a handful of truly great Rugby matches the vast majority are facile hammerings of epic proportions. Its actually the same in all sports, in GAA how many counties can realistically win All Irelands? In Soccer its the same at all levels 2/3 teams dominate, same in Rugby. GAA is in a far healthier place than most. Local clubs are the life blood, its same in Dublin as in counties. What is remarkable is the amount of sports that are competing in Ireland. The super clubs in Dublin still have huge numbers coming in, soccer pitches are full with kids playing, long may it continue. Split season is vital for survival of GAA.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4888 - 25/09/2023 23:07:50 2505732Link 0
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 104 - 26/09/2023 10:55:05 2505761Link 0
But you don't actually answer the question. Would it be reasonable to change the whole club season again, just so some children might go out for a kickabout or a puckabout after watching a big football or hurling match on TV in August or September?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2146 - 26/09/2023 11:25:29 2505774Link 0
The encouragement that kid's get in school today is nothing like the encouragement they got up to 20 years ago, lots of parents don't encourage their kid's they leave it to themselves to decide the sport that suits them.
The changes that has happened within the association should never have been allowed to happen, the most recent being the split season, as a previous poster said we were sold a pup, sadly that decision will not be reversed. The TC competition was badly thought out and rushed in, in no way can I see it improving the standard of football in the very weak counties, one would have to be born into a weak county to understand the word weak as opposed to the word strong. We all know that without weak counties there wouldn't be strong counties, in my view it is in the interest of the administration in Croke Park to have several weak counties for their system to work and for that reason it is not coming across as an all-inclusive organization.
By coincidence or otherwise the split season allows Croke Park to be available to host events and there are some other than concerts.
If we want the gaa to be promoted nationally, it must be seen as an all inclusive effort.
PS Good post, but you never mentioned about the gap that is widening between the strong and weak counties.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 26/09/2023 11:54:45 2505792Link 0
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 26/09/2023 13:29:31 2505826Link 0
Attendance at club hurling games in Cork is very poor. In 1955 and 1977 cork county finals attendances were 31,000 and 35,000 respectively. Recent attendances are nowhere near that, and Gaelic football attendances have similarly waned.
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 26/09/2023 13:30:17 2505827Link 0
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 26/09/2023 13:31:20 2505829Link 1
They can exist together if everybody wants them to. The question is, does anybody want them to or does everybody want their own piece of the pie and that is it? Something has to give.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1078 - 26/09/2023 13:34:43 2505833Link 0
You cant compare the two and the stats around injuries dont back up that
physios/docs arent at and dont need to come on at a lower level near the rate they do at pro games
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3449 - 26/09/2023 14:35:24 2505853Link 0
The chances of there being designated 'club weeks' or 'club fortnights' built into the inter-county season are absolutely negligible, for many many reasons which I could outline here, but for how the post would become far longer than even some of the ones I already write! But I'll still do so in a future post if you or anybody else wants me to.
The thing that will have to give is that those who continue to complain about the All-Ireland Finals no longer being in September will have to accept that's the way it is now, and further complaints are pointless.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2146 - 26/09/2023 14:49:01 2505855Link 1
Unfortunately it will be in 10 years time when you see smaller playing numbers and rural clubs forced to amalgamate that you will see the true impact of the split season. It may suit club players now but what about the club coaches\volunteers struggling to put underage teams out. Some of these club players will be volunteers in the future so will they have the same view. Certainty around fixtures and being able to plan holidays is being quoted as a advantage of the split season but surely there is a way to allow this.
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 104 - 26/09/2023 15:19:51 2505864Link 1