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Interesting to see Gary Laffan and Tom Dempsey calling on all Wexford fans to turn out on Sunday. It's up to players, supporters and management to step up to the mark now. We need at least 10k Wexford people to be the 16th man on Sunday. We are fighting for our hurling lives on Sunday

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 24/05/2023 08:57:48    2481137

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Pikeman96 cheers for the long answer.

So, to provoke discussion.

There's a 5-6 month window for club league, championship. How do Wexford use this time best to 1. promote both games 2. ensure players play enough of both codes 3. not overloaded.
If the Oilgate example since last July is the problem, instead of proposing the problem why propose a solution? What is it?

Inter county game occupies 100% up till June/July, what should the co. board do? Its not like they can make time. Do we need more cups, blitzes, etc in spring to get more game time in to players? Or is it only championship the players want to play in which case the situation is harder.

Does the county need 4G pitches to make the game playable in the winter/spring? Start club leagues, cups, and so on in Feb/March and play loads of matches at a time of year when pitches tend to be in a poor state?

Before anyone jumps on me Wexford people need to find solutions not problems. We can all say what is wrong, but that is the easy part."
This same fella was laughing at Wexford in another forum. And lads like him coaching in clubs, the whole thing stinks.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 24/05/2023 09:08:49    2481138

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Replying To Viking66:  "I agree Egan has been a huge disappointment. I defended him during the League as I thought, and still think, he did the right thing blooding new players, but the way good Wexford hurlers have played well below themselves has to be his fault to a certain, even large, extent. It's his primary job to get the best out of the lads he sends out on the pitch.
Agree also Dees leadership was sorely missed the last couple of games. I'd nearly suspect it was personal at this stage.
As regards ground hurling were you at the Westmeath game?"
Last bit of the post above- Jacko scored 2 lineballs and Ian Carty played a perfect pass straight off the ground into Rorys hand before he won the penalty.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 24/05/2023 09:39:15    2481143

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting to see Gary Laffan and Tom Dempsey calling on all Wexford fans to turn out on Sunday. It's up to players, supporters and management to step up to the mark now. We need at least 10k Wexford people to be the 16th man on Sunday. We are fighting for our hurling lives on Sunday"
There were only approximately 2000 Wexford supporters there the last day. And thousands more than that complaining about the result on social media since the game. Passionate Wexford fans my hole.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 24/05/2023 10:04:31    2481154

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes. And Kilkenny lads have won Hogan Cups with Good Counsel over the years. That's hardly the point though CC!"
I'm not talking about schools football. You said:

"Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training."

I'm not familiar with Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels under age and juvenile teams, but I very much doubt that they have two completely different sets of players, playing hurling or football. So your statement regarding your U12 players doing only half the hurling training doesn't make sense.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 24/05/2023 10:18:44    2481159

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting to see Gary Laffan and Tom Dempsey calling on all Wexford fans to turn out on Sunday. It's up to players, supporters and management to step up to the mark now. We need at least 10k Wexford people to be the 16th man on Sunday. We are fighting for our hurling lives on Sunday"
Absolutely. I know this will annoy some people but for me its relevant as just as Wexford hurling is part of my identity so are the events of 1798, events that shaped us a people and which are all the more real at this time of year.

It will be 225 years to the day on Sunday, when on the afternoon of May 28 1798 the most significant battle of the rebellion took place when the United Irishmen stormed Enniscorthy town. I'm sure it would have been easier to stay away, keep their heads down, but instead these farmers, labourers, our ancestors rallied to the 'Green. '

Time again to rally to the colours, do our part, leave it all there and if we lose know we did what we could and died with our metaphorical boots on. Up Wexford.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 24/05/2023 10:32:07    2481165

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Replying To Viking66:  "There were only approximately 2000 Wexford supporters there the last day. And thousands more than that complaining about the result on social media since the game. Passionate Wexford fans my hole."
Maybe we set this aside and encourage all to attend on Sunday, plenty of time for recrimination afterwards.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 24/05/2023 10:48:21    2481173

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Interesting listening to the Wexford hurling podcast this morning they made two good points about our club championship. Ed Rowsome and Keith Rossiter pointed out a championship played over 6 weeks when there is 52 weeks in a year is simply not enough top hurling for club players in the county. They also pointed out how we are the only county in Ireland where 18 year olds . We are robbing the likes of Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley and Simon Roche a year where they could develop hugely playing senior and intermediate hurling. We need to rectify both these issues for next year. We need to get the small things right in this county they all add up

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 24/05/2023 11:03:41    2481177

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I'm not talking about schools football. You said:

"Obviously, assuming our lads train the same number of hours a week as a lad who plays for Ballyhale, O'Loughlin Gaels, Ballygunner, Mount Sion, St Thomas, Loughrea, Glen Rovers, Ballyea, for talks sake, they are actually only doing half the hurling training."

I'm not familiar with Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels under age and juvenile teams, but I very much doubt that they have two completely different sets of players, playing hurling or football. So your statement regarding your U12 players doing only half the hurling training doesn't make sense."
True CC. But they would probably be doing more hurling though?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 24/05/2023 11:09:36    2481179

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Replying To Viking66:  "Mountbellew don't have any lads on the Senior hurling championship panel. They are amalgamated at underage with Skehana, a hurling club. Kinvara are pretty much a hurling team, who play a little football and field a junior football team. Would be nothing like our club. Moycullen are a football club. Salthill would be more known as a football club also, but have done well lately in hurling particularly underage. Most of the top clubs in Galway prioritise hurling or football, not both. And most of Galways Senior hurling panel don't play much football and most never did 50/50 even at underage, like almost all our lads did.
In any case I don't know why you are bringing up Galway as an example. They have a huge hurling population compared to ours, and less all Irelands won."
You've an awful habit to jumping on one point to avoid addressing the other....I said Mountbellew had had 5 lads on the senior footballers, lads on the minor hurlers in the all Ireland final, lads on the minor footballers in connacht final also produced minor hurler of th year a couple of years ago...Moycullen are senior in both atm. Had a lad on the 2017 all Ireland winning panel, have lads on u20s and minors with hurling and football. You've shot down every example I've used, I can use Clare, Cork, Tipp if you want as well. You don't a lot of deflecting when there is obviously something wrong when we can't do it. I don't how many examples more you need of clubs, county's, players able to do it, why do we except, ahh we couldn't do that. The last lad I remember us having that seemed to bring any attributes from football over was DOC or Darragh Ryan
Here's a record of all Ireland appearances since 96
Kilkenny 98,99,00,02,03,04,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,14,15,16,19,22
Tipp 97,01,09,10,11,14,16,19
Cork 99,03,04,05,06,13,21
Galway 01,05,12,15,17,18
Limerick 07,18,20,21,22
Clare 97,02,13
Waterford 08,17,20
Offaly 98,00
Why has every county got their day in the sun except us, not even to winning but not even getting there is the killing bit. 1 final appearance since the mid 70s, 1 win since the 60s. Might say ah look we've won more than this county or we won as many as this but Jesus at least they're getting close or set out to win an all Ireland or look like winning one. There hasnt been one year were that has been the case since 97, 19 after the leinster final and heading into 20 but then got pummeled. All these county's have had lows as low as us, some even lower. Clare, Limerick, Waterford have all been as low as us and were ale to get it right, they might be able to sustain it for more than 5 years at a time but they're still able to get back to those heights. We just plot along, nothing wrong here, watching all these counties pass us out and the hope they come back down to us eventually instead us trying to pass them out. It's so frustrating watching this happen. Not saying were the onlys ones struggling atm,Waterford are at a low atm and if not carefull mighnt shake out of it with their struggles at underage too, but at least they still got a couple of all Ireland's, didn't get over the line but God almighty I wish getting over the line in all Ireland's was our biggest issue the last 25 or so years. Don't know how I got on to that from football and hurling but look, I'm frustrated at a lot of things atm in Wexford, so soft excuses are really irritating

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 24/05/2023 11:13:33    2481181

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting listening to the Wexford hurling podcast this morning they made two good points about our club championship. Ed Rowsome and Keith Rossiter pointed out a championship played over 6 weeks when there is 52 weeks in a year is simply not enough top hurling for club players in the county. They also pointed out how we are the only county in Ireland where 18 year olds . We are robbing the likes of Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley and Simon Roche a year where they could develop hugely playing senior and intermediate hurling. We need to rectify both these issues for next year. We need to get the small things right in this county they all add up"
I'm convinced the 18 year old rule was brought in to suit fixtures makers rather than players.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 24/05/2023 11:32:01    2481188

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting listening to the Wexford hurling podcast this morning they made two good points about our club championship. Ed Rowsome and Keith Rossiter pointed out a championship played over 6 weeks when there is 52 weeks in a year is simply not enough top hurling for club players in the county. They also pointed out how we are the only county in Ireland where 18 year olds . We are robbing the likes of Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley and Simon Roche a year where they could develop hugely playing senior and intermediate hurling. We need to rectify both these issues for next year. We need to get the small things right in this county they all add up"
They're spot on, Dessie Mythen made same point a few weeks ago. You reap what you sow!

FearBeag (Mayo) - Posts: 74 - 24/05/2023 11:42:34    2481190

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I still can't comment on Sunday, I just don't have the words to describe my feelings leaving Wexford Park. Like many on here a long time supporter, go to all the matches, home and away and this Sunday is the first match I can't decide whether to go or not.

Sunday wasn't the first let down. The Clare league match still haunts me, if the players are not putting in the effort, why should the supporters? Westmeath had little support Sunday and didn't need it.

My niece says we have to, she can't understand why we wouldn't. Perhaps the future is bright

goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 110 - 24/05/2023 11:48:08    2481192

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Offaly in 2018 lost four games by 15, 9, 24, and 17.

Carlow in 2019 lost four games by 6, 14, 12, and 15.

Laois in 2022 lost five games by 2, 23, 27, 26, and 18.

Wexford in 2023 have lost three games so far by 6, 2, and 2, and then won one game by 4.

I'm not suggesting that Wexford shouldn't be relegated should they lose on Sunday and Antrim win. But what I am trying to say is that it will be a bit freakish if Wexford get relegated (Not dissimilar from Oulart getting relegated in 2021). If Dublin had have beaten Antrim by a point rather than drawing, if Cathal Dunbar's shot had have gone the other side of the crossbar against Dublin, or if we hadn't have butchered multiple good goal chances versus Westmeath/let in stupid goals/not been the wrong side of a 22-8 free count, we'd be safe from relegation right now.

Again, Wexford have been poor all season long and have created a lot of our own problems but at the same time, it's been a case of Murphy's Law for our Seniors in 2023

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 239 - 24/05/2023 11:52:30    2481194

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting listening to the Wexford hurling podcast this morning they made two good points about our club championship. Ed Rowsome and Keith Rossiter pointed out a championship played over 6 weeks when there is 52 weeks in a year is simply not enough top hurling for club players in the county. They also pointed out how we are the only county in Ireland where 18 year olds . We are robbing the likes of Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley and Simon Roche a year where they could develop hugely playing senior and intermediate hurling. We need to rectify both these issues for next year. We need to get the small things right in this county they all add up"
I think there's a growing appetite for switching back to alternate weeks, or at least alternate blocks, in the club championships, but I don't see how it could happen this year. Lads who concentrate on hurling could have holidays booked for end of August or September, thinking they'd "only" be missing an early round football match or two - but if it was changed this year, those holidays would now clash with the latter rounds of hurling.

Similarly, those who mainly or only play football could have holidays booked during July, having been told football wouldn't start until the end of August. If this year's system was changed now, then football would be starting in July as well.

On the matter of minors (U18s) not being allowed to play at adult level - main reason is minor matches will be fixed for Wednesdays throughout July/August, before moving to weekends for the knock-out stages when evenings get too short to play midweek.

Allowing U18s to play adult would first of all lead to complaints that unfair to expect them to play adult every weekend and minor every Wednesday. Would also lead to hold-ups in completing the minor championships.

About eight years ago, I was involved with our minor hurling team myself. We played our last group match on the August Bank Holiday Monday. We had to wait until middle of September for our semi-final, and the end of October for our final, all because several clubs (including ourselves) had a few minors who were also playing adult.

But probably 80 to 90% of all minors don't play adult level at all. Do we really want to go back to having them sit around for weeks on end, for the sake of the 10 or 20% who do?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 24/05/2023 12:07:08    2481199

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Replying To wexford2012:  "Absolutely. I know this will annoy some people but for me its relevant as just as Wexford hurling is part of my identity so are the events of 1798, events that shaped us a people and which are all the more real at this time of year.

It will be 225 years to the day on Sunday, when on the afternoon of May 28 1798 the most significant battle of the rebellion took place when the United Irishmen stormed Enniscorthy town. I'm sure it would have been easier to stay away, keep their heads down, but instead these farmers, labourers, our ancestors rallied to the 'Green. '

Time again to rally to the colours, do our part, leave it all there and if we lose know we did what we could and died with our metaphorical boots on. Up Wexford."
Fully agree with this . The men of 1798 put their lives on the line for this county and country. Hurling and the purple and gold is part of our identity and supporters , management and players need to fight for our hurling lives on Sunday.

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 24/05/2023 12:14:06    2481203

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Replying To wexford2012:  "Maybe we set this aside and encourage all to attend on Sunday, plenty of time for recrimination afterwards."
Definitely. I've been on to dozens of people myself to try get them to go. Maybe a few will. Hopefully.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 24/05/2023 12:21:20    2481206

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Replying To goreyll:  "I still can't comment on Sunday, I just don't have the words to describe my feelings leaving Wexford Park. Like many on here a long time supporter, go to all the matches, home and away and this Sunday is the first match I can't decide whether to go or not.

Sunday wasn't the first let down. The Clare league match still haunts me, if the players are not putting in the effort, why should the supporters? Westmeath had little support Sunday and didn't need it.

My niece says we have to, she can't understand why we wouldn't. Perhaps the future is bright"
Have spoken to a number of people with the same view about attending the game on Sunday. Total Disillusionment with the team .All I'll say is this is the most important game for our county probably in our gaa history. The ramifications of relegation don't bear thinking about. Vital that we are loud on Sunday.
Win or lose there's a need for serious soul searching from all stakeholders in Wexford gaa next Monday and the guys who are paid hurling officers in this county need to seriously up their game

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 24/05/2023 12:30:38    2481209

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Have spoken to a number of people with the same view about attending the game on Sunday. Total Disillusionment with the team .All I'll say is this is the most important game for our county probably in our gaa history. The ramifications of relegation don't bear thinking about. Vital that we are loud on Sunday.
Win or lose there's a need for serious soul searching from all stakeholders in Wexford gaa next Monday and the guys who are paid hurling officers in this county need to seriously up their game"
I hear you and I agree on the importance, but I can't see supporters turning out in numbers. I am sure I'll be there despite myself. KK supporters won't travel either.

As an aside, if the ref is as bad again too, I'll lose it! In reference to the post above re Murphy's Law, we have definitely gone out of favour with refs, very few decisions went our way this year in my opinion.

goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 110 - 24/05/2023 12:47:21    2481215

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Interesting listening to the Wexford hurling podcast this morning they made two good points about our club championship. Ed Rowsome and Keith Rossiter pointed out a championship played over 6 weeks when there is 52 weeks in a year is simply not enough top hurling for club players in the county. They also pointed out how we are the only county in Ireland where 18 year olds . We are robbing the likes of Cillian Byrne, Sean Rowley and Simon Roche a year where they could develop hugely playing senior and intermediate hurling. We need to rectify both these issues for next year. We need to get the small things right in this county they all add up"
I don't disagree but is not the current structure ione which clubs overwhelmingly voted to retain?? How could so many clubs get it wrong?

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 24/05/2023 12:55:03    2481217

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