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I said no need to play a knock out cup competition or a league in pre season If you want to honour somebody or if you play the same team in pre season every year then play for a trophy named after something related to both counties etc. I think its ridiculous playing pre season leagues and especially knock out cups in pre season. these games are friendlies to prepare for the league and the championship so why do they need to be in a competition format if theyre only about preparing for the league and championship KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3758 - 13/10/2022 19:35:54 2443900 Link 1 |
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Slightly different topic Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 19/10/2022 21:00:14 2444677 Link 1 |
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Again what difference does it make? You still haven't answered that despite the fact you keep going on about it.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 20/10/2022 08:21:43 2444689 Link 1 |
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But they are training for them, especially in smaller counties because it is their only real chance of winning anything bar maybe a league. And there are people in every county who lose their nut over an O'Byrne or Walsh Cup loss to a smaller county. How Limerick did it this year is how you should train, have a good winter, do OK in the league, then massively up it towards the latter end of the league. Nobody remembers who wins any of these things. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 20/10/2022 11:37:07 2444729 Link 1 |
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The significance of these competitions including the national league is plain for all to see. How many players who won a hurling medal this year will be named an All-Star. My prediction is none. Anyway that is a flawed useless process also. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 20/10/2022 17:07:15 2444829 Link 1 |
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I love the O'Byrne cup games. It's something to look forward to royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/10/2022 19:09:29 2444846 Link 0 |
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"Nobody remembers who wins any of these things." But you said smaller counties train to win. Does that not mean they'd remember? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 20/10/2022 21:24:30 2444860 Link 1 |
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They might. But the commitment levels in November and December for the sake of an O'Byrne Cup win mean players go straight from club season to inter county training with no break, hence players in many of the weaker counties not being bothered with inter county football. If training started in Jan, with the 1st league match in March, it would make the lot of the player a lot more appreciated and they might see it as been worth their effort. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 21/10/2022 13:34:18 2444925 Link 1 |
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Do we not still have the rules as to when county teams can start training? County managers being county managers are surely going to start training as soon as possible regardless. The choice would seem to be behind closed friendlies or an organized competition. I've always felt that the circle we're trying to square is that we have a 7-month intercounty season and a 7-month club season. Perhaps there's merit in declaring December and January as a proper closed season off limits for games and training but we're then left trying to fit 14 months into 10. We could squeeze the intercounty season a bit more - but the more we squeeze it the more we start to strangle it. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 437 - 21/10/2022 14:09:23 2444927 Link 1 |
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What didderemce does it make. You can plan season better. Teams can do their own thing far more. You can be more innovative with your pre season structures. You just don't need to have knockout cups in pre season KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3758 - 21/10/2022 14:21:21 2444928 Link 1 |
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You still haven't actually said what the issue with them is? By your logic it's fine for a team to play 3/4 challenge games preseason yet there's somehow an issue with them playing in a pre season completion. Also all the preseason completions are now played as a group. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 21/10/2022 15:33:53 2444953 Link 2 |
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Silly knock out "League"(sic) in Connacht where 2 or maybe 3 Counties get 1 game. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 22/10/2022 15:08:49 2445033 Link 0 |
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These competitions are useless. Waterford won the McGrath cup in football a few years ago and it was worth nothing when the championship started. I understand teams are trying out players but the big guns would put their grand mother out while the small fry are trying to get as close as possible to their team. Even though there can not be rules about this, some code of ethic should be employed. I do know that when teams are looking for challenge matches they do ask what type of team is available and this can allow them choose who it is worth playing. All in all like was said if you cannot with 35 players in a panel produce games of equal or better value then something else is wrong. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 28/10/2022 15:40:48 2445811 Link 0 |
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The O'Byrne Cup proceeds went to the injured players fund. I'd imagine that amounted to several hundred thousand every year as it is a well enough supported competition and not unusual to get 4/5,000 at games. I hope that will be replaced. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3516 - 29/10/2022 16:15:53 2445885 Link 0 |