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The decision was absolutely correct. However, it shouldn't have taken over 3 minutes to be made. I couldn't care less whether it was Galway or any other team involved. We need to be using the technology effectively. I made a similar point about the Hawkeye malfunction and ambiguity during the U20 hurling final. Hawkeye is designed not to take 3 minutes to tell whether a ball was wide or not. It usually makes the decision quite quickly. It doesn't involve lads watching numerous replays of a shot and having to decide. Coming to the right decision much later is a problem. If it happens late in a game, it can actually dictate what a team does beforehand. A team might think they only need a point instead of a goal. That kind of scenario would lead to uproar. The technology seems to be fine. It's the application of it which needs to improve. At the risk of beating the same drum, a bit of transparency from the GAA would help too. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2203 - 05/07/2022 19:20:22 2429969 Link 0 |
That didn't happen on Sunday though, Arock. Play went on for a few minutes, I think Limerick scored a point in the interim, then Hawkeye informed the ref that the last Galway point needed to be chalked off, and the scoreboard was amended. Presumably same would have happened if it was a Galway wide being upgraded to a point. The intervening 2 or 3 minutes of play still counted, it wasn't deemed null and void. Where serious controversy could easily arise though is if Hawkeye got into a ref's ear about a wrong score AFTER the final whistle! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 05/07/2022 21:02:33 2429987 Link 0 |
Hawkeye analysis every score regardless. Therefore the refs can be notified 2/3 minutes after a score if there's a doubt. It's not just used when asked for. It's used for all scores.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 06/07/2022 09:59:47 2430010 Link 0 |
So does this mean that the final whistle can in theory be overruled ? If the system finds that one of the points was wide after the final whistle making the game a draw, what happens then? Have we a cooling off period after the final whistle untill hawk gives the all clear? Like a boxing match when they go to the score cards?
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 06/07/2022 11:19:47 2430043 Link 0 |
7 grand for Hawkeye, costs nothing for umpires to stand in a better position and open their eyes. Forget about Hawkeye after play has resumed and let teams have 3 challenges at time of play.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2162 - 06/07/2022 11:28:02 2430046 Link 4 |
That's a lot! You'd think that sort of tech would be cheap enough nowadays
points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 281 - 06/07/2022 11:55:58 2430059 Link 0 |
7K is cheap for cameras, computers, software, setup, calibration and techs.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7694 - 06/07/2022 12:32:29 2430068 Link 2 |
I forgot to mention, Hawkeye costs around €200k to install.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2660 - 06/07/2022 12:54:34 2430075 Link 0 |
Ah right. My bad. You're saying 7K a day to run a Hawkeye system installed already.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7694 - 06/07/2022 13:04:16 2430078 Link 0 |
Agree it would be better if the decision came quicker. I also would believe it was outdated the day it was installed and don't know what upgrades have been done if any. This as you said is a lack of transparency by the GAA like many other things like appeals etc. There are many forms of technology that do much more sophisticated detection than this. Until perfected unfortunately play will need to be held up as is when the on field officials call for a review. Or using a time clock, play goes back to where the incident occurred. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water but we seem unable to learn or too stubborn to learn from others. Some want to go backwards or not forward with the use of umpires to detect a ball travelling much quicker. Complain about time delays while the goalie can't restart the game every time there is a score because the ref has to write the score in his note book. Make the scoring and time keeping electronic also taking it out of the hands of the ref. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2888 - 06/07/2022 14:08:08 2430094 Link 0 |
Yes. "Estimates suggest HawkEye at Croke Park costs between €7,000 and €8,000 per match-day" link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2660 - 06/07/2022 14:35:41 2430103 Link 0 |
Don't know the answer to that . All I know is it verifies every score whether the ref or umpires call it or not. It suppose to take a minute but last Sunday was 2/3 minutes
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 06/07/2022 15:00:59 2430113 Link 0 |
Last Sunday was over 3 minutes. Not a problem as such in the 1st half, but it could cause serious issues if it was late in the game. Decision-making at the end of a game is often based on the score at the time. E.g. You take a point from a last minute 21 yard free, as the scoreboard says you're a point behind. Shortly afterwards, Hawkeye chalks off a point scored a few minutes beforehand, and all of a sudden you're still a point behind. There's no reason whatsoever it should take over 3 minutes. The issue here is clearly the application. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2203 - 06/07/2022 15:39:53 2430123 Link 0 |
Similar vision system technology used in industry and autonomous cars where it can be vital. Might be an old fashioned view but I'm not sure the growth in use of technology is a good thing in the GAA. Video paralysis by analysis, using data to improve S&C from GPS etc, breaking down the percentages into how not to lose, maximising kickouts, winning frees in the scoring zone. Possibly the skills of the games aren't as important as they used to be and some coaches talk a good 2022 but coaching was better 30 years ago.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7694 - 06/07/2022 15:41:33 2430125 Link 2 |
I agree up to a point. Especially the later point about analysis. Some stats to me are irrelevant. How many touches and the length on the ball. Does it matter if he touched it only twice but put it in the back of the net. I cringe now when I see hockey players and baseball players with tablets now on the bench looking at the last play. However technology is useful to get on field decisions and scores correct. Informing the spectator and so far as is possible creating opportunity for equal fairness to both teams. That can never be perfect but at least use what is now available. Like you know horses ploughed the fields successfully but how many would use them now and ignore tractors. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2888 - 06/07/2022 16:29:33 2430147 Link 1 |
You can not be serious.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2162 - 09/07/2022 18:34:16 2430743 Link 1 |
You make a lot of sense GreenandRed.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 09/07/2022 19:03:41 2430766 Link 0 |
For both finals. Should have 3 umpires. 1 standing directly behind the goal
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 09/07/2022 19:29:55 2430795 Link 0 |
Cork lost to Galway by one point in hurling this year. We should examine Hawkeye and request replay. In fact, all games since Hawkeye was introduced can be looked at ! Lucky it's an amateur game or there would be lawsuits galore against Hawkeye and GAA! Am joking… but it is a joke
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 09/07/2022 19:57:03 2430817 Link 0 |
Was it just me or was the Glass point for Derry in the first half and ruled out by hawkeye dodgy as well? How can hawkeye show the ball hitting the post when the ball clearly doesn't hit the post? MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 09/07/2022 20:04:32 2430823 Link 0 |