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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Is that the rugby equivalent of the Tailteann cup?"
No more like the league in GAA.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 28/05/2023 20:17:38    2482326

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People talk about on pitch violence at underage gaa games, but something like below puts things into perspective. Horrific tbh:-

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0601/1386838-young-soccer-player-dies-after-cup-brawl-in-germany/

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 01/06/2023 13:49:32    2483365

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Replying To Fionn:  "People talk about on pitch violence at underage gaa games, but something like below puts things into perspective. Horrific tbh:-

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0601/1386838-young-soccer-player-dies-after-cup-brawl-in-germany/"
As you say horrific, I cannot imagine the pain the parents are going through. You trust your kids will be safe playing sport and then this happens. However neither should all soccer be painted with this brush, in the same way as isolated incidents on GAA games shouldn't paint our games. No matter what sport it is there are some coaches out there who are completely out of touch with what the majority of parents what to see. The hard lad who constantly starts fights or hitting outside the rules is not in the best interest of the sport, it just turns parents off.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 02/06/2023 03:12:47    2483484

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The Kinahans podcast. Despite being made by the Irish Sun it's worth a listen.

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7347 - 07/06/2023 14:58:49    2484768

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Forum was closed over weekend for an update yet no mention by mods that was happening. Could there not have been some notice put up like on any forum in days beforehand that an update was happening and the Forum was closed

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 19/06/2023 10:46:24    2487141

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Forum was closed over weekend for an update yet no mention by mods that was happening. Could there not have been some notice put up like on any forum in days beforehand that an update was happening and the Forum was closed"
You got in before me as I was about to post something similar, I didn't see an update mentioned, releasing posts any morning is unpredictable time wise, last post Friday finished late mid day, games on Saturday but forum down, games on Sunday but forum still down, it was back working Monday morning as if nothing happened.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 19/06/2023 11:02:03    2487166

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Missed out on the Stephen Kenny must go thread, and the worst players of all time thread too.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3428 - 19/06/2023 12:05:46    2487238

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Missed out on the Stephen Kenny must go thread, and the worst players of all time thread too."
Oh don't worry, They'll still be showing their friendlies and talking about them on every sports news. Soccer equivalent of Fermanagh hurlers - no insult intended tot my friends in Lisnaskea :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 19/06/2023 12:21:56    2487251

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Missed out on the Stephen Kenny must go thread, and the worst players of all time thread too."
Or how he ever came to get the job in the first place, more of the same I suppose etc, etc.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 19/06/2023 12:57:45    2487286

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I think if Ireland ever want to get to another major tournament and perform.

Is it time to start pumping state money into a new coaching structure? Come up with a strategic plan, look at other countries with similar populations to ourselves but are producing better players, bring in the right people. Spend the money wisely with the knowledge and experience of those inthe know.

There's no doubting the greed and corruption in the FAI has had a massive impact, but it's also a huge issue that very few Irish players are now playing regularly at top clubs this impacting the progress and experience required at the highest level.

Players leaving this country are just not good enough, but if there was a 10-20 year strategic plan with state backing, could Ireland produce a higher standard of player to try and get top level football in better leagues across Europe.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 19/06/2023 19:58:51    2487597

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Forum was closed over weekend for an update yet no mention by mods that was happening. Could there not have been some notice put up like on any forum in days beforehand that an update was happening and the Forum was closed"
I thought the same. It's got gradually worse over the years. I doubt it'll be still going in a years time.
I've been viewing and commenting on here for over 10 years, but I'm seriously thinking about stopping.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 19/06/2023 22:14:13    2487643

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Liam Brady softened his views somewhat on Stephen Kenny as the Ireland manager last night after the Gibraltar game, Stephen is a gentleman, a good person and a good human being, however, Brady said last Friday after the game with Greece that the current bunch of players that Ireland have is the worst he has ever seen, if that's the case then Stephen Kenny is not the man to mould these players into a consistent competitive bunch, with that in mind Ireland will most certainly not get to another major tournament for many years if at all.

The Jack Charlton era was a once off, Jack was blessed to have a star-studded group of players he could field a team of top-quality players with confidence, yet the only thing he managed to win was the admiration of the all-important sporting world.

Ireland is very much alive and active in sport, groupe all our sports together and they will form the biggest industry in this country, youngsters are heavily involved in the gaa both in football and hurling, it can't be denied that and soccer clubs are expanding here too, but powering ahead of all is Rugby.

Our neighbors across the water are not producing the quality of players to brush shoulders with the influx of an never ending higher quality of players from other countries like, Argentina, France, Italy and a host of African countries, the finances that is needed to improve the standards within Irish clubs is massive, we could never come up with that sort of money.

Both Genders through their respective sports are putting huge demands on our government for extra funding so too are sponsors being asked for more.

- - it's never ending.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 20/06/2023 11:59:17    2487756

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I had intended staying on here till Carlow's involvement in both codes had ended, but I was disappointed when I had no access to posting a comment on the Carlow v Dublin (Sat.)and Carlow v Antrim ( Sun.) and not knowing when it would be back. - - - so that's it in a nut shell.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 20/06/2023 12:08:23    2487761

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Replying To supersub15:  "Liam Brady softened his views somewhat on Stephen Kenny as the Ireland manager last night after the Gibraltar game, Stephen is a gentleman, a good person and a good human being, however, Brady said last Friday after the game with Greece that the current bunch of players that Ireland have is the worst he has ever seen, if that's the case then Stephen Kenny is not the man to mould these players into a consistent competitive bunch, with that in mind Ireland will most certainly not get to another major tournament for many years if at all.

The Jack Charlton era was a once off, Jack was blessed to have a star-studded group of players he could field a team of top-quality players with confidence, yet the only thing he managed to win was the admiration of the all-important sporting world.

Ireland is very much alive and active in sport, groupe all our sports together and they will form the biggest industry in this country, youngsters are heavily involved in the gaa both in football and hurling, it can't be denied that and soccer clubs are expanding here too, but powering ahead of all is Rugby.

Our neighbors across the water are not producing the quality of players to brush shoulders with the influx of an never ending higher quality of players from other countries like, Argentina, France, Italy and a host of African countries, the finances that is needed to improve the standards within Irish clubs is massive, we could never come up with that sort of money.

Both Genders through their respective sports are putting huge demands on our government for extra funding so too are sponsors being asked for more.

- - it's never ending."
Can't recall a time when England were producing better players........especially 'front 6" players.....'shuda' won the last Euros.......only losing to top handful of international teams occasionally at this stage.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3428 - 20/06/2023 12:36:17    2487771

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Can't recall a time when England were producing better players........especially 'front 6" players.....'shuda' won the last Euros.......only losing to top handful of international teams occasionally at this stage."
The current English team/squad is excellent.

Thay have an incompetent manager, however.

How on earth is Pickford still getting picked ahead of Ramsdale (or Pope)?

He was completely out-thought by Deschamps at the world cup (OTB had a fantastic breakdown of the game afterwards) and hasn't changed his approach whatsoever.

He seems to pre-determine his substitutes before the match kicks off and seems incapable of reacting to what is actually unfolding on the field (taking Saka off when he was really hurting France).

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/06/2023 13:00:28    2487789

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Can't recall a time when England were producing better players........especially 'front 6" players.....'shuda' won the last Euros.......only losing to top handful of international teams occasionally at this stage."
Besides Harry Kane who are England's consistently high performing front 6 players under Southgate?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7347 - 20/06/2023 13:10:43    2487795

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Replying To supersub15:  "Liam Brady softened his views somewhat on Stephen Kenny as the Ireland manager last night after the Gibraltar game, Stephen is a gentleman, a good person and a good human being, however, Brady said last Friday after the game with Greece that the current bunch of players that Ireland have is the worst he has ever seen, if that's the case then Stephen Kenny is not the man to mould these players into a consistent competitive bunch, with that in mind Ireland will most certainly not get to another major tournament for many years if at all.

The Jack Charlton era was a once off, Jack was blessed to have a star-studded group of players he could field a team of top-quality players with confidence, yet the only thing he managed to win was the admiration of the all-important sporting world.

Ireland is very much alive and active in sport, groupe all our sports together and they will form the biggest industry in this country, youngsters are heavily involved in the gaa both in football and hurling, it can't be denied that and soccer clubs are expanding here too, but powering ahead of all is Rugby.

Our neighbors across the water are not producing the quality of players to brush shoulders with the influx of an never ending higher quality of players from other countries like, Argentina, France, Italy and a host of African countries, the finances that is needed to improve the standards within Irish clubs is massive, we could never come up with that sort of money.

Both Genders through their respective sports are putting huge demands on our government for extra funding so too are sponsors being asked for more.

- - it's never ending."
The Irish media berated Martin O'Neill and hounded him out of the job. It was based upon a fallacy that Ireland should be playing attractive football when it was clear to most observers of the game that we didn't have the players to play attractive football and quality for the latter stages of international competitions. Martin O'Neill managed to get Ireland to the Euro when it was harder to quality for the tournament than it is now. FIFA have increased the number of teams to 24 recently. Fast forward seven years and we now have a team that is playing marginal better football I would argue but can only beat teams outside the top 100 in the FIFA rankings. Stephen Kenny seems a nice man as I am sure Martin O'Neill is. But he is getting a very easy ride from the Irish media considering his team's awful record under his stewardship. I think he will get to the end of the current campaign and he will be gone. He has had three campaigns in which to improve things and to this point, he hasn't. The only question that is hard to answer is who will follow him and how much better will the results be?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1911 - 20/06/2023 13:46:40    2487813

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I think if Ireland ever want to get to another major tournament and perform.

Is it time to start pumping state money into a new coaching structure? Come up with a strategic plan, look at other countries with similar populations to ourselves but are producing better players, bring in the right people. Spend the money wisely with the knowledge and experience of those inthe know.

There's no doubting the greed and corruption in the FAI has had a massive impact, but it's also a huge issue that very few Irish players are now playing regularly at top clubs this impacting the progress and experience required at the highest level.

Players leaving this country are just not good enough, but if there was a 10-20 year strategic plan with state backing, could Ireland produce a higher standard of player to try and get top level football in better leagues across Europe."
Good post jimbo. In my lifetime I've been lucky enough to have seen two very decent Irish squads.
Firstly - the Jack Charlton era. Jack was clever and exploited the ancestry rule fully. It's too simplistic to say that Jack's job became easy by doing so. He still had to mould those guys into a harmonious squad. The football may not have been pretty at times but we were one of the toughest nuts to crack in World football, and our FIFA ranking through that period proved it.

Then we had the Mick McCarthy era. We still picked players with Irish ancestry but we also had a very fine crop of home grown players come through at the same time - Duff, Keane, Given, Dunne etc. Throw in the world class quality of Roy Keane, and good solid pro's like Kinsella, Cunningham etc and there was a very decent side there. We probably should have qualified for more big tournaments other than WC 2002, truth be told.

Trap's 2012 squad and O'Neill's 2016 squad were OK, and did well to qualify for those tournaments, but neither were very special.

Now however, it's harder to attract real top quality ancestral players to declare for Ireland (Rice & Grealish), plus we don't look like producing a lot of real quality home grown players, Evan Ferguson possibly the exception.

So something like you have suggested is definitely the route we should be going down. Whether we have the money, the patience or the expertise within the FAI to draw up such a framework is doubtful however.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9141 - 20/06/2023 16:25:32    2487886

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The Irish media berated Martin O'Neill and hounded him out of the job. It was based upon a fallacy that Ireland should be playing attractive football when it was clear to most observers of the game that we didn't have the players to play attractive football and quality for the latter stages of international competitions. Martin O'Neill managed to get Ireland to the Euro when it was harder to quality for the tournament than it is now. FIFA have increased the number of teams to 24 recently. Fast forward seven years and we now have a team that is playing marginal better football I would argue but can only beat teams outside the top 100 in the FIFA rankings. Stephen Kenny seems a nice man as I am sure Martin O'Neill is. But he is getting a very easy ride from the Irish media considering his team's awful record under his stewardship. I think he will get to the end of the current campaign and he will be gone. He has had three campaigns in which to improve things and to this point, he hasn't. The only question that is hard to answer is who will follow him and how much better will the results be?
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1783 - 20/06/2023 13:46:40

Not true.

There were 24 teams at the Euros in 2016.

Ireland finished 3rd in qualifying and got in via the playoff.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 21/06/2023 11:35:59    2488078

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "The Irish media berated Martin O'Neill and hounded him out of the job. It was based upon a fallacy that Ireland should be playing attractive football when it was clear to most observers of the game that we didn't have the players to play attractive football and quality for the latter stages of international competitions. Martin O'Neill managed to get Ireland to the Euro when it was harder to quality for the tournament than it is now. FIFA have increased the number of teams to 24 recently. Fast forward seven years and we now have a team that is playing marginal better football I would argue but can only beat teams outside the top 100 in the FIFA rankings. Stephen Kenny seems a nice man as I am sure Martin O'Neill is. But he is getting a very easy ride from the Irish media considering his team's awful record under his stewardship. I think he will get to the end of the current campaign and he will be gone. He has had three campaigns in which to improve things and to this point, he hasn't. The only question that is hard to answer is who will follow him and how much better will the results be?"
Very true, only the media were afraid of Keane they would have took Martin O Neill (who has more football brains in his wee finger than Kenny) out and shot him. Disgraceful remarks from Dumphry and the like. Now papers would give Kenny 100 chances to prove himself. Unwatchable rubbish. Outside of Seamus Coleman the rest are amateurs.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 21/06/2023 11:58:50    2488097

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