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Replying To Glensboy:  "What does 'move on' mean?"
It's always the ones who weren't involved in the conflict and who haven't a clue who tell people "to move on".

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9747 - 12/05/2024 18:03:10    2544319

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "It's always the ones who weren't involved in the conflict and who haven't a clue who tell people "to move on"."
Thankfully we can move on so.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2004 - 12/05/2024 18:24:49    2544325

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Darby O'Gill? The Quiet Man?"
You'd have nothing to whinge about then.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7522 - 12/05/2024 19:49:52    2544355

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "You might be getting a bit carried away with dressing up as Phil Mitchel for EastEnders being the same as a supporter buying a jersey or polo of their favourite team but whatever you need to tell yourself. Again if people use 'we' or 'us' maybe it's to do with the interest they show in whatever sport that may be. Just because you don't show the same interest in soccer doesn't mean everyone has to live like you. Thankfully everyone has a right to follow who they want and however dedicated they decide to be to that team.

I do agree that money is ruining the sport and measures to prevent footballing monopolies are filled with tiresome loopholes. I think VAR is becoming a joke of a law besides for offsides and goal line calls it causes too many unnecessary stops to a flowing game. But that aside it's still the most followed sport in the world so I'd say that speaks louder than your own personal opinion."
I'll stay quiet, last thing you need on a messageboard is opinions.

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 122 - 13/05/2024 09:38:15    2544409

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Replying To dolfos:  "I'll stay quiet, last thing you need on a messageboard is opinions."
Ah no need to do all that now is there. I even agreed with part of your last post but I just find the whole 'why would you follow any team outside your parish/county?' to be an outdated narrow minded old slur that seems to always be rife throughout the GAA ironically from other supposed sports fans but that's just my experience/opinion.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2445 - 13/05/2024 10:33:14    2544425

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "It's always the ones who weren't involved in the conflict and who haven't a clue who tell people "to move on"."
What involvement did you have? Anyway shouldn't you have been more interested in the Ulster final?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1453 - 13/05/2024 11:51:15    2544459

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Replying To dolfos:  "I'll stay quiet, last thing you need on a messageboard is opinions."
Good one dolfos, very funny!

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2896 - 13/05/2024 12:31:45    2544482

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Ah no need to do all that now is there. I even agreed with part of your last post but I just find the whole 'why would you follow any team outside your parish/county?' to be an outdated narrow minded old slur that seems to always be rife throughout the GAA ironically from other supposed sports fans but that's just my experience/opinion."
There is something in it tho in fairness.
I've no problem with someone shouting for united or Liverpool etc, I've a slight affection for chelsea myself, but I can't really grasp the total devotion that some people show to these clubs.
It doesn't make any sense.
99.9% of the time any connection they have is a total figment of their imagination, or in the case of the support being passed down, a figment of their fathers imagination.
Jamie Carragher in his own book spoke of how many native scousers disapprove of international fans supporting Liverpool as the club has nothing to do with them.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1873 - 16/05/2024 12:09:21    2545081

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Replying To Galway9801:  "There is something in it tho in fairness.
I've no problem with someone shouting for united or Liverpool etc, I've a slight affection for chelsea myself, but I can't really grasp the total devotion that some people show to these clubs.
It doesn't make any sense.
99.9% of the time any connection they have is a total figment of their imagination, or in the case of the support being passed down, a figment of their fathers imagination.
Jamie Carragher in his own book spoke of how many native scousers disapprove of international fans supporting Liverpool as the club has nothing to do with them."
It's mostly pathetic let's be honest. There was a village in Kerry of all places where they had a parade when "The Pool" won the EPL a few years ago.

I have in laws from big English soccer cities and they think the idea of Irish people thinking of THEM as being US is funniest thing ever.

Ironically, Irish EPL fans laugh at Japanese ones singing "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles."

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2929 - 16/05/2024 13:43:31    2545106

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Replying To Galway9801:  "There is something in it tho in fairness.
I've no problem with someone shouting for united or Liverpool etc, I've a slight affection for chelsea myself, but I can't really grasp the total devotion that some people show to these clubs.
It doesn't make any sense.
99.9% of the time any connection they have is a total figment of their imagination, or in the case of the support being passed down, a figment of their fathers imagination.
Jamie Carragher in his own book spoke of how many native scousers disapprove of international fans supporting Liverpool as the club has nothing to do with them."
I would argue that ALL supporter's connection to their club would be a figment of their own imagination. Unless you are a supporter who played, worked for or ran the club in some capacity, even city locals are nothing but paying customers just like the rest of the global fan base. Scousers can laugh at their international fans all they want, but the joke is kinda on them trying to claim some sort of ownership of a building that they don't own. Again, I'd have to reiterate that it's each individual's own right to dedicate however much time they want to a football club or anything else for that matter. It's the people who can't live and let live that always drag us down these tiresome roads of 'real fans/fake fans' stuff imo.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2445 - 16/05/2024 16:38:41    2545149

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It's mostly pathetic let's be honest. There was a village in Kerry of all places where they had a parade when "The Pool" won the EPL a few years ago.

I have in laws from big English soccer cities and they think the idea of Irish people thinking of THEM as being US is funniest thing ever.

Ironically, Irish EPL fans laugh at Japanese ones singing "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles.""
All very "this one time at band camp" evidence there Barney. But do you look down your nose at ALL people with passions that don't align with your own or is it selective to soccer only?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2445 - 16/05/2024 16:48:46    2545150

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Nearly all the players at the top EPL clubs are from the same pool these days. Mostly South American, African and European mercenaries, who are only at these clubs for the money. It wouldn't be every Irish person's cup of tea to feel a devotion or connection to any of these clubs, when all the top squads are so homogeneous in origin these days.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3717 - 16/05/2024 17:13:50    2545156

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I've no problem whatsoever with who or what people follow, but the only thing I've always found funny when people talk about teams in England is when they refer to them as "we" are playing tonight or they beat "us" last week. Each to their own though.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2004 - 16/05/2024 17:36:20    2545163

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Replying To Galway9801:  "There is something in it tho in fairness.
I've no problem with someone shouting for united or Liverpool etc, I've a slight affection for chelsea myself, but I can't really grasp the total devotion that some people show to these clubs.
It doesn't make any sense.
99.9% of the time any connection they have is a total figment of their imagination, or in the case of the support being passed down, a figment of their fathers imagination.
Jamie Carragher in his own book spoke of how many native scousers disapprove of international fans supporting Liverpool as the club has nothing to do with them."
I don't mind people supporting foreign clubs. But I do find it strange that they refer to the club they support as 'we' when they have zero affiliation to the club bar putting on a jersey the day after they win the match. And they barely recognise their local soccer club.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7522 - 16/05/2024 18:08:01    2545171

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "All very "this one time at band camp" evidence there Barney. But do you look down your nose at ALL people with passions that don't align with your own or is it selective to soccer only?"
No, I'd include soap opera, rap, tabloids, etc, etc. Douglas Hyde was correct. The anglicisation of Ireland meant dragging us into an intellectual sewer.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2929 - 16/05/2024 18:53:46    2545178

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Nearly all the players at the top EPL clubs are from the same pool these days. Mostly South American, African and European mercenaries, who are only at these clubs for the money. It wouldn't be every Irish person's cup of tea to feel a devotion or connection to any of these clubs, when all the top squads are so homogeneous in origin these days."
That last sentence. .


Players change, owners change, managers change etc.

But the clubs' own origins don't change.

That's why it's so baffling that so many Irish people support Liverpool.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5081 - 16/05/2024 20:04:19    2545187

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I don't mind people supporting foreign clubs. But I do find it strange that they refer to the club they support as 'we' when they have zero affiliation to the club bar putting on a jersey the day after they win the match. And they barely recognise their local soccer club."
I wouldn't nock someone either for not recognising their local soccer club, they're just not interested in them that's all. No more than people I know who are huge into following Leinster rugby but have zero interest in the local rugby team. That's just the way it goes.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2004 - 16/05/2024 20:55:15    2545188

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I would argue that ALL supporter's connection to their club would be a figment of their own imagination. Unless you are a supporter who played, worked for or ran the club in some capacity, even city locals are nothing but paying customers just like the rest of the global fan base. Scousers can laugh at their international fans all they want, but the joke is kinda on them trying to claim some sort of ownership of a building that they don't own. Again, I'd have to reiterate that it's each individual's own right to dedicate however much time they want to a football club or anything else for that matter. It's the people who can't live and let live that always drag us down these tiresome roads of 'real fans/fake fans' stuff imo."
Ah I don't agree with that at all saffron, I mean if you grew up in an area or spent time there, maybe had ancestry there I'd see why supporting their sports representatives would be natural,it's a healthy way of showing loyalty, but to have no attachment to it whatsoever?
Besides the live and let live mantra works both ways. People are perfectly entitled to find irish people supporting English teams silly,especially when that support sometimes resembles something akin to religious devotion.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1873 - 16/05/2024 21:52:32    2545194

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Replying To cavanman47:  "That last sentence. .


Players change, owners change, managers change etc.

But the clubs' own origins don't change.

That's why it's so baffling that so many Irish people support Liverpool."
And even more baffling that they would support Manchester Utd…. that's the equivalent of depressing yourself…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2317 - 17/05/2024 07:19:46    2545197

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Replying To cavanman47:  "That last sentence. .


Players change, owners change, managers change etc.

But the clubs' own origins don't change.

That's why it's so baffling that so many Irish people support Liverpool."
I think why so many support them is because they are anti- establishment.

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 175 - 17/05/2024 10:04:52    2545208

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