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Replying To jobber:  "Pat Burke,Paddy Lynam,Sean Lancaster and Joe Rabbitte all starting.I think all have played senior for us at some stage.Adrian Moran the manager.Pat Burke won a Christy Ring.Rabbitte and Lynam on Westmeath under 21s that beat Kilkenny managed by Moran.Lancaster also played under 21.I remember Rabbitte and him on a team that was close to a Leinster final.Bit of a Deravaragh Gaels look about it"
I left Adrian Moran out of the list of possible managers… Would he be a candidate?

Also Nicky Weir? Although it didn't finish too well for him in Meath and his record with Raharney wasn't hectic

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 02/06/2024 16:07:23    2548902

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "He was still decent from play

That's a generational Offaly team built on an incredible group Kilcormac have and another smaller group Ballinamere Durrow have

Talks of Offaly getting it so right at underage are over egged… They have been bang average at minor last few years since that group

Doesn't excuse the fact that we have a lot of work to do ourselves…"
I agree but sometimes all you need is a generational team. I know I keep saying it but having attended a good amount of our u14 and u15s games i think we've loads to work with and if they are looked after we can produce two minors teams capable of competing in Leinster in 2026 and 2027 but it'll take a shift in mentality more than anything else. We do talk a lot about S&C but Offaly are very small and light and completely out hurled a far more physical Tipperary side, worked for one another and showed serious heart and skill.
I think we are improving on the underage scene thanks to some good coaching and also the investment from the Stone brothers, the centre of excellence will further enhance that improvement once its built.
We will see how things turn out over the next few years but their is reason to be optimistic. Offaly have shown all it takes is one team to come along and lift the whole thing.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 855 - 02/06/2024 16:45:04    2548913

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Replying To Dheen:  "I agree but sometimes all you need is a generational team. I know I keep saying it but having attended a good amount of our u14 and u15s games i think we've loads to work with and if they are looked after we can produce two minors teams capable of competing in Leinster in 2026 and 2027 but it'll take a shift in mentality more than anything else. We do talk a lot about S&C but Offaly are very small and light and completely out hurled a far more physical Tipperary side, worked for one another and showed serious heart and skill.
I think we are improving on the underage scene thanks to some good coaching and also the investment from the Stone brothers, the centre of excellence will further enhance that improvement once its built.
We will see how things turn out over the next few years but their is reason to be optimistic. Offaly have shown all it takes is one team to come along and lift the whole thing."
Yes true but they are all athletes, the captain mentioned their two nutritionists in their speech… there are none of our underage teams preparing like that…

Needs investment… Nutrition, sports psychology and analysis are expensive but critical for improvement

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 02/06/2024 17:35:59    2548940

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Yes true but they are all athletes, the captain mentioned their two nutritionists in their speech… there are none of our underage teams preparing like that…

Needs investment… Nutrition, sports psychology and analysis are expensive but critical for improvement"
Completely agree a whole new approach is needed.S&C,Education and creating an environment of belief.To get over the line all of these must be worked on.Same in football close again today jut like ladt year with Armagh but didnt do it.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1539 - 02/06/2024 18:05:26    2548955

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All seems very quiet on the managerial gossip front

Few people around the county reckon Joe will have to be pushed, he doesn't want to step down

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 06/06/2024 14:01:03    2549855

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "All seems very quiet on the managerial gossip front

Few people around the county reckon Joe will have to be pushed, he doesn't want to step down"
I understand the idea of giving it a refresh or punting on a local option. The inter-county merry go round at this stage mirrors soccer these days. Doesn't necessarily mean it will be any better/worse under new management. Sometimes stability and continuity give a chance for things to develop. As opposed to flipping management every 1-2 years and another reset alongside a different county board.

When the county board has done a review and worked this out with the players, I'm sure something will come out of that.

If the players are happy and whatever criteria/targets Joe had is close enough I'd imagine he stays on. Whether or not that's the objectively best result will be debated. It's not like we've got Cody or Kiely queuing up for the job.

How would you measure his performance for this year and overall?

gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 170 - 06/06/2024 14:32:08    2549866

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "All seems very quiet on the managerial gossip front

Few people around the county reckon Joe will have to be pushed, he doesn't want to step down"
I don't think there's any harm in giving him another year, he's a great passion for the game and genuinely wants the best for Westmeath hurling. It come across in all his interviews. It needs to be decided as soon as possible to give Joe or whoever else a good chance to look at the club championship.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 855 - 06/06/2024 14:56:29    2549872

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A team setup and its performances generally reflect the management - in our case that's one full of excuses and feeling hard-done-by.

fizzygravy (USA) - Posts: 154 - 06/06/2024 15:40:36    2549874

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If he stays on then he'll have to agree new terms, training sessions with 3-4 Dublin based lads contributing very little are costing a fortune, local coaches well qualified to do the same job, these outside coaches never attend club matches.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1656 - 06/06/2024 16:23:02    2549881

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In fairness to Joe, this year he blooded David O'Reilly, Conor Gaffney, David Williams and Peter Clarke and they have been our best players across the league and championship. If he is kept on I'd suspect he would bring in Rhian Holding, Darragh McCormack, Sean Jackson and Darragh Smith (If they show well at club level)
He's thinking long term as opposed to some of these outside managers that come along and think about themselves and just stick with the tried and trusted players before leaving after 2 years, like Shane O'Brien did.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 855 - 06/06/2024 16:44:02    2549886

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I see Clann Na Gael won the u14 division 1 final vs Clonkill, beat the same opposition in the u13 championship final last year. Talented group of players there for Pollard and Brownstown.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 855 - 07/06/2024 09:56:42    2549951

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Replying To Dheen:  "In fairness to Joe, this year he blooded David O'Reilly, Conor Gaffney, David Williams and Peter Clarke and they have been our best players across the league and championship. If he is kept on I'd suspect he would bring in Rhian Holding, Darragh McCormack, Sean Jackson and Darragh Smith (If they show well at club level)
He's thinking long term as opposed to some of these outside managers that come along and think about themselves and just stick with the tried and trusted players before leaving after 2 years, like Shane O'Brien did."
Blood is an interesting word

Liam Sheedy had a great article in the examiner this week. He was defending his decision not to play young players in Tipp in 2020

He said in 2010 they had 5 U21s in their all Ireland winning team because they were good enough. In 2020 the young lads weren't good enough.

Williams, Reilly etc were in the team because they were the best players, not because of any big development master plan. If he had a development plan he would have been playing Rian Holding instead of Aaron Craig… That's real development, playing the young lad even if the older lad might be slightly better

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2024 11:00:17    2549964

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "If he stays on then he'll have to agree new terms, training sessions with 3-4 Dublin based lads contributing very little are costing a fortune, local coaches well qualified to do the same job, these outside coaches never attend club matches."
I agree wholeheartedly

All selectors should be from the county

I don't mind managers going outside the county for expertise if it's not available in the county at the required standard … For example a goalie coach, S&C etc

I think Joe Fortune staying on with the U20 management promoted to work with him would be a great shout…

Make Kevin O'Brien the assistant manager with a view to stepping up in 2 years

Move Ian Corrigan to 20s and have a strong link there

Move Corrigan to assistant manager in 2 years time

Keep developing our own managers and spend the money on development squads instead of wasting it on outsiders

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2024 11:04:11    2549965

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The chances of Joe Fortune working with Kevin O' Brien are pretty slim considering the deterioration in their relationship this year with overlapping players. It's pretty simple for Fortune, either work with coaches within the county or head back to Dublin. Thousands upon thousands being spent/wasted on outside coaches who are contributing nothing in reality

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1656 - 07/06/2024 12:52:17    2549990

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The end of joe fortune who will be appointed now?

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 281 - 07/06/2024 13:07:30    2549994

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "I agree wholeheartedly

All selectors should be from the county

I don't mind managers going outside the county for expertise if it's not available in the county at the required standard … For example a goalie coach, S&C etc

I think Joe Fortune staying on with the U20 management promoted to work with him would be a great shout…

Make Kevin O'Brien the assistant manager with a view to stepping up in 2 years

Move Ian Corrigan to 20s and have a strong link there

Move Corrigan to assistant manager in 2 years time

Keep developing our own managers and spend the money on development squads instead of wasting it on outsiders"
Scratch that Joe had stepped down according to Westmeath GAA twitter so the search begins in earnest.

Thanks Joe for your efforts

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2024 13:21:43    2549999

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Fortune has resigned. As an avid Westmeath hurling supporter, I would like to thank him for all his time and effort with our senior team. We have had some memorable days under his tenure, twice vs Wexford and against Laois down in O'Moore Park and Thurles, were some great days to look back on.
Wishing him all the best going forward. Hopefully the county board can bring in a worthy replacement in time for club championship.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 855 - 07/06/2024 13:25:05    2550000

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Johnny Greville has to be best placed for stepping up here. I cannot see anyone else inside the county capable of doing it.
Fair play to Joe Fortune & thanks to him for his efforts.

Left Full (Westmeath) - Posts: 243 - 07/06/2024 14:35:36    2550011

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Replying To Left Full:  "Johnny Greville has to be best placed for stepping up here. I cannot see anyone else inside the county capable of doing it.
Fair play to Joe Fortune & thanks to him for his efforts."
Johnny would be fantastic, he's certainly earned his shot. He has managed the minor, U20 and camogie teams and years of service as selector with the senior hurlers

Kevin O'Brien and Ian Corrigan as selectors

Get a good coaching and S&C set up around them

Would be delighted with that now

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2024 19:30:53    2550084

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Replying To Dheen:  "I see Clann Na Gael won the u14 division 1 final vs Clonkill, beat the same opposition in the u13 championship final last year. Talented group of players there for Pollard and Brownstown."
Of course you saw that, you were most likely at the game seeing as you're from that area and always spouting on about the county under 14s.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 289 - 07/06/2024 21:54:31    2550098

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