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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "'He is in a world of trouble'; not sure what you mean by this phrase? Wicklow have had more managers in the last five years than Britain have had prime ministers. Our county champions are annually being hammered in the leinster club championship. We get beaten in the early stages of the minor and under 20 championship annually. We have no teams of note in the leinster colleges competitions. Some of the rare bits of talent in the county choose not to play for the county. Of course it is the managers fault that we are where we are!!!

As a county we need to leave the current management team in place for three years minimum. As a county we need competitive underage and schools teams competing and winning games in the province. We will never have a strong county team until we get the foundations in the county right; this is cuurently not the case and it is exposed when we try to compete against other counties."
Some good points raised there.

What I mean by the manager is that Wicklow only raises its game when coached by an experienced manager I feel.

Absolutely the London game is a must win.

For our manager.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 07/02/2023 11:07:17    2456958

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Replying To sponger:  "Some good points raised there.

What I mean by the manager is that Wicklow only raises its game when coached by an experienced manager I feel.

Absolutely the London game is a must win.

For our manager."
Yes the London game is a big game for the manager and the team; lose against London and promotion will be mathematically possible but very unlikely. Failing to beat Carlow while leading and playing with an extra man would have had a negative impact on the players. The rest of 2023 will determine how we are progressing if at all.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 07/02/2023 11:20:15    2456964

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Yes the London game is a big game for the manager and the team; lose against London and promotion will be mathematically possible but very unlikely. Failing to beat Carlow while leading and playing with an extra man would have had a negative impact on the players. The rest of 2023 will determine how we are progressing if at all."
What I am really saying is that the current Wicklow team has potential. It just has to be directed correctly.

A poor league run will derail our cup campaign.

If the manager wants to learn on the job he needs to pick up the pace and quickly. Conceding 18 scores at home is just unacceptable.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 07/02/2023 13:36:41    2457032

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Replying To sponger:  "What I am really saying is that the current Wicklow team has potential. It just has to be directed correctly.

A poor league run will derail our cup campaign.

If the manager wants to learn on the job he needs to pick up the pace and quickly. Conceding 18 scores at home is just unacceptable."
I agree with you regarding the score. As I said earlier it was closer to a hurling score. Having said that I agree wit Wicklowsupport in that Oisin needs to get at least 3 yrs here in order to build something. We are rock bottom of every table and there is no quick fix. Some of the players who will help get us up the table are still U20. I hear the U20s are a decent bunch so all is not lost. I have never been a fan of this yo yo system of putting everything into promotion and then changing managers again when we can't stay up. We have to face the fact that at this point we are just not good enough. Wicklowsupport also has a good point when he says that not enough clubs are putting enough into developing their young players in every facet, skills, S&C and mental preparation. When we play the likes of the Dubs, they just know and believe that they are going to beat us - that is as good as a 7 or 8 point start. I hope we do get promoted this year but that is going to be a difficult task. And in my opinion we should leave the management team in place and see what evolves over the next few years. That is unless the manager feels that he needs something or someone else on board.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 07/02/2023 16:28:40    2457109

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Replying To sponger:  "What I am really saying is that the current Wicklow team has potential. It just has to be directed correctly.

A poor league run will derail our cup campaign.

If the manager wants to learn on the job he needs to pick up the pace and quickly. Conceding 18 scores at home is just unacceptable."
I would agree with you; there is potential in wicklow. Granted, not all the right players are on the pitch with the most potential but the management can only go with the players who have stepped forward and committed. The manager is a novice at this level and he is probably getting to know the players and their capabilities: that is why he need to be given time to work and develop with the players. We can't be changing managers on a regular basis as it is just prolonging progress. What is the worse that can happen, we are where we are now in three years? We're been here for all of history.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 07/02/2023 21:07:12    2457161

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I would agree with you; there is potential in wicklow. Granted, not all the right players are on the pitch with the most potential but the management can only go with the players who have stepped forward and committed. The manager is a novice at this level and he is probably getting to know the players and their capabilities: that is why he need to be given time to work and develop with the players. We can't be changing managers on a regular basis as it is just prolonging progress. What is the worse that can happen, we are where we are now in three years? We're been here for all of history."
We haven't been Division 4 all our history.

Albundy19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 40 - 09/02/2023 07:19:56    2457371

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In the Wicklow People our manager said we are all learning on the job, which might be true but that should not include coughing up half our kickouts.

As I said already, London at home is a huge game.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 09/02/2023 12:37:28    2457438

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Replying To Albundy19:  "We haven't been Division 4 all our history."
Apart from a season here and there in division 3 or when the football leagues were restructured: we, as a footballing county have operated in the basement division. I've follow wicklow football for over thirty years, during which we have had some really good players but we have failed to operate at a decent level in either league or championship. I would love to say otherwise but results don't lie.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 09/02/2023 14:22:25    2457475

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Replying To sponger:  "In the Wicklow People our manager said we are all learning on the job, which might be true but that should not include coughing up half our kickouts.

As I said already, London at home is a huge game."
I thought that was a very odd interview. He more or less said that everyone in the dressing room expected to kick on and win the game and then more or less admitted that the whole kit and caboodle collectively collapsed.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 09/02/2023 16:27:40    2457507

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Apart from a season here and there in division 3 or when the football leagues were restructured: we, as a footballing county have operated in the basement division. I've follow wicklow football for over thirty years, during which we have had some really good players but we have failed to operate at a decent level in either league or championship. I would love to say otherwise but results don't lie."
Sadly you are correct my friend.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 09/02/2023 21:45:26    2457559

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So Avondale and Barndarrig looking to join together for Senior Hurling but Barndarrig want to keep a junior team too. Pats looking to drop to intermediate hurling also

Mileythedog (Wicklow) - Posts: 56 - 10/02/2023 09:55:02    2457585

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I thought that was a very odd interview. He more or less said that everyone in the dressing room expected to kick on and win the game and then more or less admitted that the whole kit and caboodle collectively collapsed."
I didn't hear the interview but Is he not right in what he is saying? We played a large chunk of the second half with an extra man against Carlow; a weak enough Carlow side, I would say and we couldn't win the game. I see players coughing up possession regularly in club games due to a lack of composure or not strong enough in the tackle. I would add that he is the manager so he needs to take some responsibility for what is happening and resolve it; that is part of his job but I would hope that he accepts this is the case.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 10/02/2023 12:36:29    2457637

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Replying To Mileythedog:  "So Avondale and Barndarrig looking to join together for Senior Hurling but Barndarrig want to keep a junior team too. Pats looking to drop to intermediate hurling also"
That might not be a bad thing. Both clubs have some decent hurlers but not enough for senior ranks. It's an interesting move.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 10/02/2023 13:46:15    2457659

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What are Pats at? I know they're not winning senior for a whole, but nobody apart from Bray is. Strange one.

FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 10/02/2023 17:48:05    2457734

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Replying To FrankieJoe:  "What are Pats at? I know they're not winning senior for a whole, but nobody apart from Bray is. Strange one."
Good point. I don't know if that would be a great idea for them. It's one thing stepping back, quite another to get promoted again. They won an U17 with Glenealy last year. Again, I don't know how many Pats lads were involved but they have a few decent young players. Maybe that's the plan - to use the intermediate grade to bring the young chaps on.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 10/02/2023 18:32:07    2457735

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Good win by the wicklow u20 team today. I'm glad to see some of the An Tochar players that impressed during the club championship lining out for the county. It seems that a decision has been made that these players should pla u20 which i endorse especially if it is the best thing for their develop and their career in the long run.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 11/02/2023 14:27:37    2457805

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Good win by the wicklow u20 team today. I'm glad to see some of the An Tochar players that impressed during the club championship lining out for the county. It seems that a decision has been made that these players should pla u20 which i endorse especially if it is the best thing for their develop and their career in the long run."
I must agree with the above. Also note that there are some players who are playing senior and U20. I hope this doesn't become a flashpoint later in the year.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 11/02/2023 15:21:01    2457811

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Good win for the hurlers at the weekend. Going on some of the results, this division seems tougher then what it looks like on paper. London will be a test in a couple of weeks. Not much between a lot of the teams.

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 14/02/2023 14:35:48    2458276

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Any interesting transfers in the county ?

Mileythedog (Wicklow) - Posts: 56 - 15/02/2023 16:35:01    2458427

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Replying To Mileythedog:  "Any interesting transfers in the county ?"
There were a few in yesterdays paper. Nothing to make the pulses race that I could see. A former Wexford stalwart to AGB - ( if it goes through) but age wouldn't be on his side. Other than that, pretty quiet.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 16/02/2023 08:42:55    2458457

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