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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Not talking silly, everyone has their right to a view and I respect that. But I just don't buy the idea that the players aren't good enough. It's a cop out for me and it's a way of excusing almost anything.

In 2010, we had a pretty abysmal year and within 2 years were All Ireland champions. I always believe the players are in Donegal. We have really only awakened as a proper force since the McGuinness era, before that we were always talented but the structures weren't really in place. The McGuinness era was a culture shift and badly needed. The problem is that we have pretty much reverted back full circle again. I don't see why management needs more than 5 years and why it needs constant defending at this point, sorry I just don't get that.

It's a shame that Declan hasn't read the room and clearly next week's meeting with McGrath means he is staying on, as it wouldn't be made public knowledge in advance if he was being asked to step aside. Again, I'm at pains to say most people in the county have massive respect for Declan and all he has given in service to Donegal football, but sometimes it's time to face actual reality."
Listen here I don't think bonner will come back. I read nothing into next weeks meeting. . I think he's had enough. Enough of backstabbers keyboard warriors especially fools I personally know who don't attend games or never kicked a ball in there lives a few on here I may add. I still stand by my prediction that the talent is not there, good players but lacking that extra step.please god I'm proved wrong but honestly I can't see it. I want my county to do well. But I'm reading a lot of nonsense of how talented the playersthat's in the county are. Let Mc Hugh take it on now ..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 11:58:49    2429152

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Listen here I don't think bonner will come back. I read nothing into next weeks meeting. . I think he's had enough. Enough of backstabbers keyboard warriors especially fools I personally know who don't attend games or never kicked a ball in there lives a few on here I may add. I still stand by my prediction that the talent is not there, good players but lacking that extra step.please god I'm proved wrong but honestly I can't see it. I want my county to do well. But I'm reading a lot of nonsense of how talented the playersthat's in the county are. Let Mc Hugh take it on now .."
I thought you were going to give us an update from your 'contacts'?

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1187 - 02/07/2022 12:14:38    2429156

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Listen here I don't think bonner will come back. I read nothing into next weeks meeting. . I think he's had enough. Enough of backstabbers keyboard warriors especially fools I personally know who don't attend games or never kicked a ball in there lives a few on here I may add. I still stand by my prediction that the talent is not there, good players but lacking that extra step.please god I'm proved wrong but honestly I can't see it. I want my county to do well. But I'm reading a lot of nonsense of how talented the playersthat's in the county are. Let Mc Hugh take it on now .."
It's long past time Bonner went and time you dried up too, sick listening to ya at this stage.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3180 - 02/07/2022 12:20:39    2429158

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "It's long past time Bonner went and time you dried up too, sick listening to ya at this stage."
Feeling mutual lad. It's about time you and your friends consider going to games instead of your foolish talk on here.. it's pathetic listening to your rants. Nothing positive to say or any solutions just . You sneak off to other forums then and run bonner and rochford to the ground. Get a life you f••l.. what will you do when bonner steps down you'll have nobody to run down.. as I say there's a few barren years coming and god help the poor unfortunate man that gets the job. We deserve nothing these players give there lives for Donegal and to have about a thousand supporters to about 19 thousand Armagh supporters says all about yous. Not interested in listening to crap about losing interest after the Ulster final, sure we were outnumbered by about 3/1 at Ulster final by Derry above all teams.. makes me laugh listening to yous on here.. as if yous deserve a good team. Lol

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 13:00:26    2429170

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "I thought you were going to give us an update from your 'contacts'?"
I know more about Donegal gaa than the rest of yous put together. Fact. Are you not calling me John this week lad. Maybe you stopped your little guessing games. Why are yous all against me, must not be saying the right things, sorry I can't talk Irish or I would address you in our native language. Tiochadh at la.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 13:28:32    2429174

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Replying To rorysboys:  "I heard from a very good source that there's an announcement imminent on the management position. Watch this space.??"
Over a week now John. Source not as good as you thought?

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1187 - 02/07/2022 13:50:48    2429180

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The fact is as senior manager in his two spells (8 years), all he has accomplished is two ulster final wins, one against fermanagh and the other against cavan. At a time when tryone were rebuilding, and armagh and derry were finding there way.
Not one All Ireland semi final.
For a county with the talent we have, that is a pretty poor record.
Sadly that is the ambition of rorysboys and Declan, and rorysboys is happy to give this manager another 3 years.
Thankfully there are supporter's out there that are airing there displeasure at our lack of ambition and voted with there feet.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
The time has come to try something new, there are no guarantees that it will work , but surely we have to try. And who knows, maybe we will find a great manager in the mould of mcguinness.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 02/07/2022 14:01:55    2429189

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Replying To The keeper:  "The fact is as senior manager in his two spells (8 years), all he has accomplished is two ulster final wins, one against fermanagh and the other against cavan. At a time when tryone were rebuilding, and armagh and derry were finding there way.
Not one All Ireland semi final.
For a county with the talent we have, that is a pretty poor record.
Sadly that is the ambition of rorysboys and Declan, and rorysboys is happy to give this manager another 3 years.
Thankfully there are supporter's out there that are airing there displeasure at our lack of ambition and voted with there feet.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
The time has come to try something new, there are no guarantees that it will work , but surely we have to try. And who knows, maybe we will find a great manager in the mould of mcguinness."
I thought you were going to finish a post without mentioning Mc Guinness. I should have known. Supporters voting with there feet . Go away there not supporters, they are fair weather supporters no time for that species..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 15:10:04    2429213

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Over a week now John. Source not as good as you thought?"
Sure do you know the decision, you must be leading a sheltered life.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 15:23:11    2429220

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Sure do you know the decision, you must be leading a sheltered life."
Still waiting for you to tell us what your source said. I wouldn't listen to anyone apart from yourself seeing as you are so well connected.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1187 - 02/07/2022 17:34:20    2429252

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Still waiting for you to tell us what your source said. I wouldn't listen to anyone apart from yourself seeing as you are so well connected."
Thanks lad , nice of one poster to be nice to me. Wudnt like to spoil the surprise on you. Announcement on its way a pealidor.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 17:45:31    2429253

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Replying To The keeper:  "The fact is as senior manager in his two spells (8 years), all he has accomplished is two ulster final wins, one against fermanagh and the other against cavan. At a time when tryone were rebuilding, and armagh and derry were finding there way.
Not one All Ireland semi final.
For a county with the talent we have, that is a pretty poor record.
Sadly that is the ambition of rorysboys and Declan, and rorysboys is happy to give this manager another 3 years.
Thankfully there are supporter's out there that are airing there displeasure at our lack of ambition and voted with there feet.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
The time has come to try something new, there are no guarantees that it will work , but surely we have to try. And who knows, maybe we will find a great manager in the mould of mcguinness."
I've still never got over the 2014 final, I still have nightmares about it. What went wrong keeper, why did we lose it lad against the worst Kerry team to win Sam.. you still haven't answered the question. Plenty time lad il wait on you. Lol.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 02/07/2022 21:01:32    2429333

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Replying To rorysboys:  "I've still never got over the 2014 final, I still have nightmares about it. What went wrong keeper, why did we lose it lad against the worst Kerry team to win Sam.. you still haven't answered the question. Plenty time lad il wait on you. Lol."
Whats with the lol at the end of every post, what age are you, 14?
Its very simple, what happened in 2014. A big mistake from are usually reliable goal keeper, kicked the ball straight to the full forward who scored a crucial goal. Which left us chasing the game. The one mistake our manager made was in my opinion, is not start mcbrearty.
What we wouldn't do to have them days back, you know, the days where we were competing in all Ireland finals and semi finals.
The great days of playing the dubs, kerry, mayo and so on, and actually competed.
Sadly not going to happen under our current management, 8 years and not even a semi final.
I would personally be embarrassed to stay on with that record, but thats me.
Lets hope sometime in the future we will have a management team like 2011 to 2014, that instilled pride in the Donegal jersey again.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 03/07/2022 19:57:20    2429496

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Replying To The keeper:  "Whats with the lol at the end of every post, what age are you, 14?
Its very simple, what happened in 2014. A big mistake from are usually reliable goal keeper, kicked the ball straight to the full forward who scored a crucial goal. Which left us chasing the game. The one mistake our manager made was in my opinion, is not start mcbrearty.
What we wouldn't do to have them days back, you know, the days where we were competing in all Ireland finals and semi finals.
The great days of playing the dubs, kerry, mayo and so on, and actually competed.
Sadly not going to happen under our current management, 8 years and not even a semi final.
I would personally be embarrassed to stay on with that record, but thats me.
Lets hope sometime in the future we will have a management team like 2011 to 2014, that instilled pride in the Donegal jersey again."
Yea Jim was a great manager, a lot of good days but as a supporter there was a lot of bad days too. That 2014 final still irks me, no way we should have lost it.. what's to stop Jim putting his name in the hat, I'm sure you could have a word with your idol and tell him how you feel. No point in ranting and raving on here about Jim, if he has no interest in it. The past is the past lad. Who do you want to manage Donegal it must be a tough question because you still haven't come back with a name. Lol..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 04/07/2022 09:01:25    2429550

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Derry heading in to next weekends semi final with a 50/50 chance of making the final and lets hope they keep the Ulster flag flying.It leave us with that terrible feeling of what might have been,The Ulster v Connacht S/F and the way the qualifier draw went meant a very managable way to an All Ireland Final.Having fallen short in the Ulster Final we we were given a second chance against a team we had beaten easily a few weeks earlier but we failed badly.Why?A lot of people blame poor management while others think that we don't have the players.I wonder were there a number of players that were injured earlier unable to train properly and maybe should not have been playing.There is also this inability to get up for a qualifier which totally mystifies me. From the outside it is impossible to be definite about these issues but the use of substitutes can be a bit confusing
Have we got the players with the correct mentality and desire.Have we got leaders on the field when things go wrong.Have we got the quality that a lot of posters think we have,There is no doubt that we can look good for periods but I think when you look at the team on paper we don't stack up all that well against top end teams When you take out the usual nationally known players we have a fairly average bunch.
When I looked at the 2017 team that got hammered by Tyrone and Galway there are still 10 of the same players that played this year.There hasn't been too many marquee players unearthed since.It looks like different managers ,same old problems,A change of management often gives a bounce for a while but if the right mentality is not there the old problems will re-surface.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 04/07/2022 10:45:02    2429576

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Replying To gunman:  "Derry heading in to next weekends semi final with a 50/50 chance of making the final and lets hope they keep the Ulster flag flying.It leave us with that terrible feeling of what might have been,The Ulster v Connacht S/F and the way the qualifier draw went meant a very managable way to an All Ireland Final.Having fallen short in the Ulster Final we we were given a second chance against a team we had beaten easily a few weeks earlier but we failed badly.Why?A lot of people blame poor management while others think that we don't have the players.I wonder were there a number of players that were injured earlier unable to train properly and maybe should not have been playing.There is also this inability to get up for a qualifier which totally mystifies me. From the outside it is impossible to be definite about these issues but the use of substitutes can be a bit confusing
Have we got the players with the correct mentality and desire.Have we got leaders on the field when things go wrong.Have we got the quality that a lot of posters think we have,There is no doubt that we can look good for periods but I think when you look at the team on paper we don't stack up all that well against top end teams When you take out the usual nationally known players we have a fairly average bunch.
When I looked at the 2017 team that got hammered by Tyrone and Galway there are still 10 of the same players that played this year.There hasn't been too many marquee players unearthed since.It looks like different managers ,same old problems,A change of management often gives a bounce for a while but if the right mentality is not there the old problems will re-surface."
These exact same problems existed pre 2011, and a top manager solved them by mixing new players with experienced players and changing the mentality of the county team.
The real question is, what will we the benefit by letting our current management setup continue in there roll, and i just dont see any positives from them staying on.
The supporter's have lost faith, no doubt some of the player's have lost faith going by our results. There not going to come out and say it, but you can see it in there performance.
Yes there is no guarantee by changing management that we will find the right man and move forward, we may even go back.
But can we afford to continue the path we are on, or do we gamble.
Everyone knows where i stand.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 04/07/2022 11:51:51    2429599

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Yea Jim was a great manager, a lot of good days but as a supporter there was a lot of bad days too. That 2014 final still irks me, no way we should have lost it.. what's to stop Jim putting his name in the hat, I'm sure you could have a word with your idol and tell him how you feel. No point in ranting and raving on here about Jim, if he has no interest in it. The past is the past lad. Who do you want to manage Donegal it must be a tough question because you still haven't come back with a name. Lol.."
Can you not understand that i am simply using mcguinness as an example of what is possible, or are you to uneducated to read and understand.
Was mcguinness an experienced manager when he took the job, no he was not.
So there are endless possibilities of a new manager coming along like mcguinness did and recharge and rejuvenate Donegal football. See i used him as an example again, do you understand.
What benefits is there on the current management staying on, i dont see any.
And the reality is not only do the players need a new voice, the supporters also need a fresh approach to rejuvenate donegal football.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 04/07/2022 12:10:44    2429605

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Interesting to read Jim's column in the Irish Times over the weekend about Galway. More interesting was a comment underneath the link to the article which appeared to suggest that Jim has been helping Galway out at times this year in their preparations! I don't know how true that is. I know he definitely took a few sessions with them in the past though and himself and Joyce have their I.T Tralee history.

I would put Galway on a similar level to ourselves in terms of talent, but like us too often flatter to deceive. It looks like they've discovered a winning formula this year. Lets be honest they were a five point better team than Armagh the other day only to almost inexplicably lose it. If they do beat Derry it wouldn't be a shock and who knows what can happen in a final.

It would be cruel irony for Mayo fans, after a decade of disappointment in Croke Park, if their great Western rivals suddenyl rocked up out of nowhere and won Sam. That's sport I guess.

For ourselves I do think a fresh voice and new ideas is needed. It's unlikely to be Jim. I know that. But we are doomed to repeated failure if we just carry on as we are. This isn't intended as a criticism of Declan either per se. I just think management cycles last 4 years max in general before things turn stale. There are exceptions of course like Cody in Kilkenny, Gavin in Dublin. There is a long time until county pre-season and McKenna Cup. An ideal timeframe for new management to get plans together and evryone on board.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9748 - 04/07/2022 12:18:40    2429606

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Replying To The keeper:  "Can you not understand that i am simply using mcguinness as an example of what is possible, or are you to uneducated to read and understand.
Was mcguinness an experienced manager when he took the job, no he was not.
So there are endless possibilities of a new manager coming along like mcguinness did and recharge and rejuvenate Donegal football. See i used him as an example again, do you understand.
What benefits is there on the current management staying on, i dont see any.
And the reality is not only do the players need a new voice, the supporters also need a fresh approach to rejuvenate donegal football."
How come you don't get, that we're not good enough. Your ranting and raving about how good we are. As I said we have a lot of players of the one level but we don't have a Karl lacey. The Mc gees or Murphy..I see a few posters outside Donegal are agreeing with me:. I feel if bonner doesn't remain that we could be on a slippy road.. my opinion is he'll probably go but hopefully I'm wrong. Donegal need him.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2613 - 04/07/2022 12:41:29    2429615

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Replying To rorysboys:  "How come you don't get, that we're not good enough. Your ranting and raving about how good we are. As I said we have a lot of players of the one level but we don't have a Karl lacey. The Mc gees or Murphy..I see a few posters outside Donegal are agreeing with me:. I feel if bonner doesn't remain that we could be on a slippy road.. my opinion is he'll probably go but hopefully I'm wrong. Donegal need him."
This issue is not just confined to Donegal, it is prevalent in a lot of counties. The conclusion alot of supporters reach is that it is the manager's fault. It's as though the problem can't be attributed to the players, maybe this is due to the fact it is easier to get rid of the manager more readily than the players. The GAA world is following soccer in firing manager when success continously eludes a county or isn't forthcoming quick enough. But greater examination needs to be carried before sacking a manager as to: are the players somewhat at fault or maybe even more at fault than the manager.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2095 - 04/07/2022 13:00:56    2429625

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