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Replying To rorysboys: "You still have to win Ulster like gweedore did at there first attempt in a while. Your contradicting your self not alone do you want to play one forward in o donnell in the back line but you want Shane o donnell in there too. Do you honestly this would work. I don't think so. Get me 6 ban Gallagher s and then il agree we have a good defence. Stop naming players for the sake of it lol." I meant eunan Doherty wudnt like to confuse you.
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Haven't heard a word from the new manager yet, he is not high profile anyway which might explain why many of us never really heard of him before,
I really hope he has us playing attacking clever football and that he picks defenders to play in defence regardless of who needs to be dropped to the bench.
If they start playing decent football the fans are there but they need a team to follow, nobody is going to pay good money with the cost of things now to go and watch the dross Bonner had us playing most of the time,
it's long past time we threw of the shackles and played with no fear.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Haven't heard a word from the new manager yet, he is not high profile anyway which might explain why many of us never really heard of him before,
I really hope he has us playing attacking clever football and that he picks defenders to play in defence regardless of who needs to be dropped to the bench.
If they start playing decent football the fans are there but they need a team to follow, nobody is going to pay good money with the cost of things now to go and watch the dross Bonner had us playing most of the time,
it's long past time we threw of the shackles and played with no fear." Speak for your self the real Donegal supporters will always travel and support our county. If we go man to man against Kerry and get beat out the gate you'll be on moaning again. As I said before if you don't go to games I have no interest in your opinion..
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2417 - 07/11/2022 08:57:21
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Haven't heard a word from the new manager yet, he is not high profile anyway which might explain why many of us never really heard of him before,
I really hope he has us playing attacking clever football and that he picks defenders to play in defence regardless of who needs to be dropped to the bench.
If they start playing decent football the fans are there but they need a team to follow, nobody is going to pay good money with the cost of things now to go and watch the dross Bonner had us playing most of the time,
it's long past time we threw of the shackles and played with no fear." To be fair to the man, he's in charge a wet week. I heard him speaking on Ocean FM and he came across well. He managed a team to a club All Ireland and has a long history in the game so let's be fair to him before a ball has been kicked in anger.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 07/11/2022 11:01:07
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Haven't heard a word from the new manager yet, he is not high profile anyway which might explain why many of us never really heard of him before,
I really hope he has us playing attacking clever football and that he picks defenders to play in defence regardless of who needs to be dropped to the bench.
If they start playing decent football the fans are there but they need a team to follow, nobody is going to pay good money with the cost of things now to go and watch the dross Bonner had us playing most of the time,
it's long past time we threw of the shackles and played with no fear." Regardless of how good a manager he is or will turn out to be he did some interviews the week before last when he was appointed? Why would he be doing anything more than that?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 07/11/2022 11:34:15
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Eunan Doherty won't be playing for Donegal next year he not even based in Donegal no more so he will not commit to that journey every week no way. In terms of defenders I really hope Morrison can give it a crack this year as he is dogged and has speed so he would do good. As for McHugh his best position is on the bench until he proves himself. He is meant to be one of our best players but yet hasn't done anything for club or county in 4-5 years.
naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 482 - 07/11/2022 16:27:29
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How do we see the u21 championship going?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 07/11/2022 16:27:43
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Replying To Lockjaw: "How do we see the u21 championship going?" Eunans be hard stopped. Gaoth D and Termon looking likely also.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1143 - 07/11/2022 17:04:08
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Regardless of how good a manager he is or will turn out to be he did some interviews the week before last when he was appointed? Why would he be doing anything more than that?" I haven't heard him interviewed yet, I missed him being on the radio, I'm not saying anything about the man just that he is very low profile which may not be a bad thing either I suppose, the season hasn't kicked off yet, so I suppose there's not a lot to say yet, I really wish him and his management team all the luck.
I just hope he gets the buzz back behind the county team as things have gone very stale these last few years, many of us feel we underachieved in the last few years under Bonner and co.
As long as we give it our best and not play cautious defensive recycling the ball rubbish ad nauseum then it will at least be an improvement, and for the love of God play Murphy at FF now for the rest of his career.
That's some mega star of a management team you have now in Mayo, hope it's not a case of too many chiefs and not enough Indians for ye.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2761 - 07/11/2022 18:01:03
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I haven't heard him interviewed yet, I missed him being on the radio, I'm not saying anything about the man just that he is very low profile which may not be a bad thing either I suppose, the season hasn't kicked off yet, so I suppose there's not a lot to say yet, I really wish him and his management team all the luck.
I just hope he gets the buzz back behind the county team as things have gone very stale these last few years, many of us feel we underachieved in the last few years under Bonner and co.
As long as we give it our best and not play cautious defensive recycling the ball rubbish ad nauseum then it will at least be an improvement, and for the love of God play Murphy at FF now for the rest of his career.
That's some mega star of a management team you have now in Mayo, hope it's not a case of too many chiefs and not enough Indians for ye." On the Murphy thing, it's fairly well known that he holds a lot of power in the group and is part of the decisions that have been made so this notion that he is being played out the field when he wants to be at 14 is nonsense to be honest. We all know his best position is inside but I feel sorry for managers who get criticised for not playing him there all the time. He has been the reason for many a win in recent years due to his performances out arond the middle. It really is catch 22.
As for our own set up, I was happy enough with either Dempsey or McStay. Would have loved a big name outsider like either Jim but when that wasn't realistic I think we did ok. We are still in the top 4 so not far away.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 08/11/2022 09:16:25
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Replying To TheFlaker: "On the Murphy thing, it's fairly well known that he holds a lot of power in the group and is part of the decisions that have been made so this notion that he is being played out the field when he wants to be at 14 is nonsense to be honest. We all know his best position is inside but I feel sorry for managers who get criticised for not playing him there all the time. He has been the reason for many a win in recent years due to his performances out arond the middle. It really is catch 22.
As for our own set up, I was happy enough with either Dempsey or McStay. Would have loved a big name outsider like either Jim but when that wasn't realistic I think we did ok. We are still in the top 4 so not far away." This is it. I've often said we needed two Murphys! One for #14 and another for playmaking duty!It would be nice to see him at 14 for his swansong years but we'll just have to wait and see.
I think Mayo could be in for a good 2023. Fresh coaching impetus, and if they can get Keegan to stay on and the likes of Tommy Goals and O'Donoghue injury free and firing well they'll still be a tough nut to crack for any team.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 08/11/2022 10:36:34
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Replying To TheRock2121: "Eunans be hard stopped. Gaoth D and Termon looking likely also." Is it only two teams to come out of each group though? Gaoth Dobhair Eunans will be a big game this weekend.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 08/11/2022 10:37:50
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I haven't posted in a while, I thought it was best not to as I hadn't much positive to say.
I got to see a good few games in the club championship. Congrats to Naomh Chonaill, they were fully deserving of their victory, they brought an amazing intensity which was great to watch. There were some decent games but overall it was uninspiring. Most teams are playing the same way, there have two full forwards who never see the ball and the other 13 are defenders. The build up play is slow and labourious with possession the main priority. It was really a mirror of the way our county teams plays - can we expect anything different from them? Its not all bad football but we are falling behind other counties.
The process for appointing the new Donegal manager was a long drawn out affair and we ended up appointing someone who didn't get picked after his first interview. I don't know much about Paddy Carr and Aidan O'Rourke but I really hope it works out for them. It's a difficult job no doubt but we do have some really terrific players. I would love to see us being a bit more direct with our playing style, this endless fist passing over and back the pitch going nowhere is a tough watch. There is a lot of debate about our defenders and whether they are good enough to go man to man but we have to try something different. There is no point going out with the same players and doing the same thing, that hasn't worked. We seem to get totally hung up on Michael Murphy and where he plays but we need to build a squad and not worry about a few players and what their best positions are.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1878 - 08/11/2022 10:41:52
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Replying To Green_Gold: "I haven't posted in a while, I thought it was best not to as I hadn't much positive to say.
I got to see a good few games in the club championship. Congrats to Naomh Chonaill, they were fully deserving of their victory, they brought an amazing intensity which was great to watch. There were some decent games but overall it was uninspiring. Most teams are playing the same way, there have two full forwards who never see the ball and the other 13 are defenders. The build up play is slow and labourious with possession the main priority. It was really a mirror of the way our county teams plays - can we expect anything different from them? Its not all bad football but we are falling behind other counties.
The process for appointing the new Donegal manager was a long drawn out affair and we ended up appointing someone who didn't get picked after his first interview. I don't know much about Paddy Carr and Aidan O'Rourke but I really hope it works out for them. It's a difficult job no doubt but we do have some really terrific players. I would love to see us being a bit more direct with our playing style, this endless fist passing over and back the pitch going nowhere is a tough watch. There is a lot of debate about our defenders and whether they are good enough to go man to man but we have to try something different. There is no point going out with the same players and doing the same thing, that hasn't worked. We seem to get totally hung up on Michael Murphy and where he plays but we need to build a squad and not worry about a few players and what their best positions are." There was a 0-5 - 0-5 draw in the u21 championshop last weekend... :(
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 08/11/2022 11:35:00
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Replying To TheFlaker: "On the Murphy thing, it's fairly well known that he holds a lot of power in the group and is part of the decisions that have been made so this notion that he is being played out the field when he wants to be at 14 is nonsense to be honest. We all know his best position is inside but I feel sorry for managers who get criticised for not playing him there all the time. He has been the reason for many a win in recent years due to his performances out arond the middle. It really is catch 22.
As for our own set up, I was happy enough with either Dempsey or McStay. Would have loved a big name outsider like either Jim but when that wasn't realistic I think we did ok. We are still in the top 4 so not far away." Yes I'd expect McStay to get a bounce down there, he's a long time wanting the job,
I hear what you are saying about Murphy's influence, but the reverse of that scenario is that the manager was weak and letting players set the agenda,
in Jim's time I think that would not have happened, there's more to managing than selecting a team and training them.
The manager has to be the boss and lay down the law be it in regard to discipline and doing the job you are given for the team, if you don't toe the line you are out.
The way Jim handled Kevin Cassidy was an example of the man's leadership, agree with that call or not but it left fellas in no doubt that messing would not be tolerated,
and that man landed us an All Ireland from a team that were mostly fellas that a few years earlier had been largely under achieving.
I think Bonner was a bit weak in that dept, but no one could question his service and commitment to Donegal as player and manager over a long period of years,
but to be successful as a manager at the top level I think you need a certain dna which not many have.
(A bit of luck along the way and having a young Michael Murphy is also helpful to the cause though!!)
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Is it only two teams to come out of each group though? Gaoth Dobhair Eunans will be a big game this weekend." Information seems a bit sketchy. There's 5 teams in our group in the South and I've heard that 4 qualify. I could be way wrong though.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "There was a 0-5 - 0-5 draw in the u21 championshop last weekend... :(" Definitely a template that Termon have adopted recently which is a pity given the pool of talented young players at their disposal.
It cost them an intermediate title this year as well.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 809 - 08/11/2022 12:41:07
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Yes I'd expect McStay to get a bounce down there, he's a long time wanting the job,
I hear what you are saying about Murphy's influence, but the reverse of that scenario is that the manager was weak and letting players set the agenda,
in Jim's time I think that would not have happened, there's more to managing than selecting a team and training them.
The manager has to be the boss and lay down the law be it in regard to discipline and doing the job you are given for the team, if you don't toe the line you are out.
The way Jim handled Kevin Cassidy was an example of the man's leadership, agree with that call or not but it left fellas in no doubt that messing would not be tolerated,
and that man landed us an All Ireland from a team that were mostly fellas that a few years earlier had been largely under achieving.
I think Bonner was a bit weak in that dept, but no one could question his service and commitment to Donegal as player and manager over a long period of years,
but to be successful as a manager at the top level I think you need a certain dna which not many have.
(A bit of luck along the way and having a young Michael Murphy is also helpful to the cause though!!)" Bonner will be a huge loss, mark my word. Well respected among the players..
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2417 - 08/11/2022 12:58:15
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Replying To peiledoir20: "Definitely a template that Termon have adopted recently which is a pity given the pool of talented young players at their disposal.
It cost them an intermediate title this year as well." Yeah it's all very well being hard to beat. But if you want to win trophies you need to seize the day. Too many teams stuck in this possession based, cautious approach where even a forward kick-pass is deemed risky.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9171 - 08/11/2022 13:32:15
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Replying To rorysboys: "Bonner will be a huge loss, mark my word. Well respected among the players.." Well respected in the whole county as well as the players I have no doubt about that, it's a pity things didn't work out for him it was looking great in the first few years, in fairness he had long enough in the job so it was time to try something new.
If we can get to an All Ireland quarter final next year then I'd consider that a very good start, hopefully playing more direct football and give a good account of ourselves,
maybe even push on to the semi final and then who knows, I think if we can get into Croker with our tails up we can give anyone a run for their money.
I'm not too worried about Ulster next year, as long as we can comfortably stay in div 1 and try out a few players and different things in the league,
Looking forward to the new year anyway and fully behind the new manager, onwards and upwards.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2761 - 08/11/2022 13:36:06
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