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Replying To bloodyban:  "It's very hard not to fall in love with the way Waterford play ball. It's like they are back playing the Waterford way but within a structure. Great scores.. waves of players..Its great stuff."
you can fall in love with them next year.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1095 - 31/07/2021 22:10:08    2366256

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Big win for the Mayo hurlers in the Nicky Rackard Final v Tyrone today. Absolutely delighted for Keith Higgins to finally lift a cup in the Hogan stand. What a servant to Mayo GAA he has been."
Higgins is a good hurler. Saw him against Carlow about four years ago and he was Mayos best player.

Good to see him still playing.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 31/07/2021 22:17:51    2366260

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Gutted about the result today. From early in the league I was content enough that Tipp would come good and despite what many were saying I felt I seen enough in first half against limerick to say we'd get to the final. Waterford were the one team coming out of the qualifiers I said I'd hate to meet though.
They fully deserved their win but Tipp could have stole it late on I thought. Better team won though without any question.
I'm afraid it's likely to be the end of the road for 2/3 of the Tipp boys and if so they'll go down as some of the greats in tipperary hurling. Very few players ever win 3 all Irelands. Sometimes I don't think they always have got the credit they deserved especially from outside the county but they're some of the best warriors and most skilful to have played the game and goes without saying that they owe us nothing.
Congrats to Waterford and I don't think I'll insult anyone by saying I hope they can go on and win it now and we will have Cahill back then!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/08/2021 00:40:13    2366284

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Gutted about the result today. From early in the league I was content enough that Tipp would come good and despite what many were saying I felt I seen enough in first half against limerick to say we'd get to the final. Waterford were the one team coming out of the qualifiers I said I'd hate to meet though.
They fully deserved their win but Tipp could have stole it late on I thought. Better team won though without any question.
I'm afraid it's likely to be the end of the road for 2/3 of the Tipp boys and if so they'll go down as some of the greats in tipperary hurling. Very few players ever win 3 all Irelands. Sometimes I don't think they always have got the credit they deserved especially from outside the county but they're some of the best warriors and most skilful to have played the game and goes without saying that they owe us nothing.
Congrats to Waterford and I don't think I'll insult anyone by saying I hope they can go on and win it now and we will have Cahill back then!"
I believe if Kilkenny were not so good this Tipp team would have clocked up many more All Ireland's

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 01/08/2021 01:13:46    2366290

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Gutted about the result today. From early in the league I was content enough that Tipp would come good and despite what many were saying I felt I seen enough in first half against limerick to say we'd get to the final. Waterford were the one team coming out of the qualifiers I said I'd hate to meet though.
They fully deserved their win but Tipp could have stole it late on I thought. Better team won though without any question.
I'm afraid it's likely to be the end of the road for 2/3 of the Tipp boys and if so they'll go down as some of the greats in tipperary hurling. Very few players ever win 3 all Irelands. Sometimes I don't think they always have got the credit they deserved especially from outside the county but they're some of the best warriors and most skilful to have played the game and goes without saying that they owe us nothing.
Congrats to Waterford and I don't think I'll insult anyone by saying I hope they can go on and win it now and we will have Cahill back then!"
Yes Tipperary could have snuck that one. The goal chances missed at the end ,one of them taken would have been enough. The better team won though, no doubt about that. End of the road for more than 2 or 3. Id say 5 or 6. Bubbles, mcGraths, Brendan and Paudie Maher and Seamus Callinan. I might be writing off Seamus Callinan and John McGrath a tad prematurely but their best days are behind them.
I agree they've been a fantastic team and played fantastic hurling. 3 All Irelands is a good haul but there are caveats. They sometimes weren't up for it in the real heat of those Kilkenny games back 5 + years ago. They physically and mentally wilted a few times. That's against the greatest team of all time. They've never got a handle on the current Limerick team either and that's an asterix hanging over them aswell. So there are a few question marks but each of their All Irelands was hard won and I'd include the most recent won. They way they recovered after the Munster final was unreal in 2019.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/08/2021 09:39:19    2366309

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From listening to my cousins down in limrik.....Waterford might aswell stay at home, they reckon Waterford won't have the legs for 4 weeks on the spin and limrik have already booked their place for a Kilkenny v limrik Final!! LMAO.
Waterford are under no pressure going into this match
Waterford v Cork Final sin é.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 01/08/2021 10:53:32    2366323

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yes Tipperary could have snuck that one. The goal chances missed at the end ,one of them taken would have been enough. The better team won though, no doubt about that. End of the road for more than 2 or 3. Id say 5 or 6. Bubbles, mcGraths, Brendan and Paudie Maher and Seamus Callinan. I might be writing off Seamus Callinan and John McGrath a tad prematurely but their best days are behind them.
I agree they've been a fantastic team and played fantastic hurling. 3 All Irelands is a good haul but there are caveats. They sometimes weren't up for it in the real heat of those Kilkenny games back 5 + years ago. They physically and mentally wilted a few times. That's against the greatest team of all time. They've never got a handle on the current Limerick team either and that's an asterix hanging over them aswell. So there are a few question marks but each of their All Irelands was hard won and I'd include the most recent won. They way they recovered after the Munster final was unreal in 2019."
John McGrath is only 27, Bubbles is 29 I think there is more Hurling left in them.Noel McGrath although around a long time will only be 31 next year he is still up for it. Seamus Callinan and Brendan Maher are probably at the end of the line. Paudie could be done also. I think Sheedy is the one who should leave. He didn't develope any young players. He was replacing young players with young players yesterday when it was obvious Callinan and Brendan Maher were not up to the speed of the game. Callinan scored 2 goals but was beaten all day long. Tipp have had some good U-21 teams over the last few years yet Sheedy kept relying on the old gaurd and it caught up to them this year. If he had faith in a few of the younger players and wasn't afraid to take off some of the older ones Tipp may have well beaten Limerick. They dominated the 1st half on a very warm day. When Limerick came at them the old legs couldn't keep up. I said last year Tipp may have selected the wrong manager when Cahill was looking for the job, I think now I was definetly right. Paudie ,Brendan Maher and Seamus Callinan were 3 of the best Tipp ever had. I would say Paudie Maher may go down as the best Tipp hurler of all time. He played every game weather it was a league, championship or challenge match. He rarely let them down.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 01/08/2021 11:04:31    2366328

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It's a good job katser that the majority of serious posters on this site that you make a great comedian..none of us in limerick would right off Waterford..enjoy the rest of your summer..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2208 - 01/08/2021 11:04:48    2366330

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Replying To Canuck:  "I believe if Kilkenny were not so good this Tipp team would have clocked up many more All Ireland's"
Not just Tipp Canuck!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 01/08/2021 11:41:29    2366341

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "you can fall in love with them next year."
Limerick will be just as greedy next year, if not greedier when they are going for the 4 in a row - just like KK and Dublin or Kerry in the football!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 01/08/2021 11:46:03    2366342

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yes Tipperary could have snuck that one. The goal chances missed at the end ,one of them taken would have been enough. The better team won though, no doubt about that. End of the road for more than 2 or 3. Id say 5 or 6. Bubbles, mcGraths, Brendan and Paudie Maher and Seamus Callinan. I might be writing off Seamus Callinan and John McGrath a tad prematurely but their best days are behind them.
I agree they've been a fantastic team and played fantastic hurling. 3 All Irelands is a good haul but there are caveats. They sometimes weren't up for it in the real heat of those Kilkenny games back 5 + years ago. They physically and mentally wilted a few times. That's against the greatest team of all time. They've never got a handle on the current Limerick team either and that's an asterix hanging over them aswell. So there are a few question marks but each of their All Irelands was hard won and I'd include the most recent won. They way they recovered after the Munster final was unreal in 2019."
Very poor and disrespectful post to be honest. Kk haven't beaten team in cship hurling since 2014 and there's only one cship match against Kk where these lads didn't perform and that was the second half in 2012 and not any of the three older players failed to perform against Kk.
John only turned 27 a couple of days ago! He's had a poor season or two but to say he's finished is immature in the extreme. Bubbles has had his fitness issues but probably has had more shots at goal than anyone in this years cship. He missed some but he was basically out of the game for two years.
The likes of TJ and Horgan are older than any of the Tipp lads.
There's no asterisks hanging over any of these lads. Paudie has the most all stars of an hurler in the 2010's and for me he was robbed of a sixth one in that time.
Your post is disappointing to be honest

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/08/2021 11:54:30    2366345

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Replying To gatha:  "John McGrath is only 27, Bubbles is 29 I think there is more Hurling left in them.Noel McGrath although around a long time will only be 31 next year he is still up for it. Seamus Callinan and Brendan Maher are probably at the end of the line. Paudie could be done also. I think Sheedy is the one who should leave. He didn't develope any young players. He was replacing young players with young players yesterday when it was obvious Callinan and Brendan Maher were not up to the speed of the game. Callinan scored 2 goals but was beaten all day long. Tipp have had some good U-21 teams over the last few years yet Sheedy kept relying on the old gaurd and it caught up to them this year. If he had faith in a few of the younger players and wasn't afraid to take off some of the older ones Tipp may have well beaten Limerick. They dominated the 1st half on a very warm day. When Limerick came at them the old legs couldn't keep up. I said last year Tipp may have selected the wrong manager when Cahill was looking for the job, I think now I was definetly right. Paudie ,Brendan Maher and Seamus Callinan were 3 of the best Tipp ever had. I would say Paudie Maher may go down as the best Tipp hurler of all time. He played every game weather it was a league, championship or challenge match. He rarely let them down."
Very good post and I'd agree with pretty much all of it. Paudie for me is equal with Eoin Kelly as tipps greatest hurler.
Noel also up to this year scored from play in something like 55 out of 56 cship games which I'm sure was some kind of record.
As regards the management decision I said the same and still think the same. I'd be surprised if it didn't happen later this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/08/2021 11:58:07    2366348

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Replying To baire:  "Limerick will be just as greedy next year, if not greedier when they are going for the 4 in a row - just like KK and Dublin or Kerry in the football!"
We will hopefully win as much as possible for as long as possible.
That's not greedy, that's a winning mentality. Something we never really had in my lifetime anyway.
To see Limerick win the all Ireland in 2018 was unbelievable, to back it up last year despite not being able to get to any match made lockdown much much easier.

I think we'll beat Waterford next week, because I think we're better than them, also because 4 weeks in a row will possibly catch up with them. I thought they looked shattered on the 60th min V Tipp, and a game against a fresh Limerick team might just be too much of an ask.

If this excellent Waterford team beat us I will be cheering for them all the way in the final.. They're a county long overdue an all Ireland win.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1057 - 01/08/2021 12:00:09    2366349

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Very poor and disrespectful post to be honest. Kk haven't beaten team in cship hurling since 2014 and there's only one cship match against Kk where these lads didn't perform and that was the second half in 2012 and not any of the three older players failed to perform against Kk.
John only turned 27 a couple of days ago! He's had a poor season or two but to say he's finished is immature in the extreme. Bubbles has had his fitness issues but probably has had more shots at goal than anyone in this years cship. He missed some but he was basically out of the game for two years.
The likes of TJ and Horgan are older than any of the Tipp lads.
There's no asterisks hanging over any of these lads. Paudie has the most all stars of an hurler in the 2010's and for me he was robbed of a sixth one in that time.
Your post is disappointing to be honest"
That was a great Tipp team, don't listen to the Shannon thunder!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 01/08/2021 12:14:01    2366357

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Absolutely. Waterford really looked tired when Tipp came on strong in the last 10 mins. Waterford had to dip into their reserves again and only Montgomery's goal sealed it. Thats going to the well alot and they are out next Saturday aswell. But they have big momentum.
I knew my Tipperary comments would cause some disquiet. They were a fantastic team but there are genuine question marks. They've met Limerick whilst not at their peak. I recognise that the Tipperary of 5 years ago would have been a real tough nut for Limerick. But the statistics don't lie. They've gotten well beat in every serious game against them over the last number of years. 2016 according to Shane McGrath was the last big Tipp win over Limerick. John and Noel McGrath, Bubbles and many of their forwards have gone totally and completely out of games against Limerick and Kilkenny over the years. All fine stickmen but how many times have they been called ashore against Limerick. Paudie has been a fantastic servant. No pace of course but a lynch pin and rarely injured. He's a class act. I couldn't praise him enough.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/08/2021 12:18:17    2366361

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Gutted about the result today. From early in the league I was content enough that Tipp would come good and despite what many were saying I felt I seen enough in first half against limerick to say we'd get to the final. Waterford were the one team coming out of the qualifiers I said I'd hate to meet though.
They fully deserved their win but Tipp could have stole it late on I thought. Better team won though without any question.
I'm afraid it's likely to be the end of the road for 2/3 of the Tipp boys and if so they'll go down as some of the greats in tipperary hurling. Very few players ever win 3 all Irelands. Sometimes I don't think they always have got the credit they deserved especially from outside the county but they're some of the best warriors and most skilful to have played the game and goes without saying that they owe us nothing.
Congrats to Waterford and I don't think I'll insult anyone by saying I hope they can go on and win it now and we will have Cahill back then!"
Agree wholeheartedly with your post. Some of the finest stickmen that ever donned the blue and gold of Tipperary, were out on that pitch yesterday; Padraic Maher, Noel McGrath, Seamus Callinan, and Brendan Maher, whom I'd have great time for. For me, Brendan Maher had it all as a hurler. I'm omitting a few other of those fine Tipp hurlers, as I believe that they have another year or more in them. Tipp have been at the top or very near to it, playing with a wonderful style, over the past 12-13 years. In the modern game, if a player can give as good a 12 years or so as those guys I've mentioned gave their county, then that county would be doing extremely well.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 01/08/2021 12:31:50    2366366

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Absolutely. Waterford really looked tired when Tipp came on strong in the last 10 mins. Waterford had to dip into their reserves again and only Montgomery's goal sealed it. Thats going to the well alot and they are out next Saturday aswell. But they have big momentum.
I knew my Tipperary comments would cause some disquiet. They were a fantastic team but there are genuine question marks. They've met Limerick whilst not at their peak. I recognise that the Tipperary of 5 years ago would have been a real tough nut for Limerick. But the statistics don't lie. They've gotten well beat in every serious game against them over the last number of years. 2016 according to Shane McGrath was the last big Tipp win over Limerick. John and Noel McGrath, Bubbles and many of their forwards have gone totally and completely out of games against Limerick and Kilkenny over the years. All fine stickmen but how many times have they been called ashore against Limerick. Paudie has been a fantastic servant. No pace of course but a lynch pin and rarely injured. He's a class act. I couldn't praise him enough."
Seriously there are few posters who write as much nonsense as you ……some of those Tipp lads have won as many all Ireland's as Limerick in 50 years so a bit of common respect for some of the best hurlers in the past 25 years wouldn't go amiss ……

This is a fantastic Limerick team but some of their 'fans' would need to learn some humility as the worm doesn't be long turning , pride very often comes before the fall……

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 01/08/2021 12:42:43    2366370

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Seriously there are few posters who write as much nonsense as you ……some of those Tipp lads have won as many all Ireland's as Limerick in 50 years so a bit of common respect for some of the best hurlers in the past 25 years wouldn't go amiss ……

This is a fantastic Limerick team but some of their 'fans' would need to learn some humility as the worm doesn't be long turning , pride very often comes before the fall……"
What's your point? That Tipp team won 3 All Irelands and could have been more if Kilkenny weren't around. I dont see the relevance of comparing what Limerick won and what Tipperary have won. Im making comment on Tipperary, a county Iv huge respect for. Youve gone off piste.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/08/2021 13:07:53    2366379

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Replying To bloodyban:  "What's your point? That Tipp team won 3 All Irelands and could have been more if Kilkenny weren't around. I dont see the relevance of comparing what Limerick won and what Tipperary have won. Im making comment on Tipperary, a county Iv huge respect for. Youve gone off piste."
How can you call a team fantastic when they have not won back to back championship's.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 126 - 01/08/2021 13:24:45    2366387

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Just curious. How were the pairings for semi finals decided?

CocknyTribesman (UK) - Posts: 194 - 01/08/2021 13:25:49    2366389

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