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Definitely have Cuala wrong anyway. Surely DLRD.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 545 - 08/12/2020 11:05:30 2320148 Link 0 |
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What? People who live in between the canals have basic need human basic need - inner City property prices are some of the most expensive in Ireland, try and buy a one bedroom apartment on the docks. There are loads of thriving growing cosmopolitan communities with an influx of domestic and international migrants that have seen huge areas of the city developed and regenerated with some of the best facilities and amenities in Ireland. Seriously i dont know where people get their ideas about Dublin or if they ever visit but its not the 1980s anymore. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4541 - 08/12/2020 11:14:37 2320152 Link 0 |
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You're correct of course.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13850 - 08/12/2020 11:16:21 2320153 Link 0 |
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I thought daytona11 was discussing the merits! Limerick have a population of 194,899 Kilkenny's population is half that. A bit of can-do attitude might be to split Limerick in 2! Surely based on the proposal provided on this tread this is in play? Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1479 - 08/12/2020 11:21:53 2320156 Link 1 |
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Is this supposed to be in reference to my post?
Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 08/12/2020 11:28:21 2320158 Link 0 |
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It's not really though. It seems there's only outcry when Dublin hammer the likes of Meath. However, nobody batted an eyelid when Meath put 7 goals past Wicklow a few weeks before, or when Mayo beat Leitrim. The county structure is unequal in its nature, as someone mentioned above. Galway's population advantage over Leitrim is proportionally greater than Dublin's over Galway. It's definitely a problem if no one can compete with Dublin, but splitting Dublin would be only a small part of a true solution in this regard."]You're spot on and this is the point that Gilroy was trying to make. He drew a drastic comparison with the US NFL to labour his point but in-effect what he was saying is that splitting Dublin may benefit a handful of counties who are just one peg below but it will do nothing for the vast majority who are trailing further back. The solution needs to be more elaborate and would need to consist of splits and amalgamations to make it fair. I just don't see counties being too willing to amalgamate, due to parochial issues, or Galway and Cork being willing to split along local government lines. I think the rush by some to disarm Dublin has blinded them to the wider problem. They wish to lower the bar rather than raise it. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4751 - 08/12/2020 11:31:39 2320159 Link 4 |
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I was joking at the point that few people seem to actually realise that Fingal/ DLRD/ South Dublin are actual counties since the 1990's after county Dublin was abolished in law and these counties were established. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Dublin)_Act_1993). County Dublin was split at this time as it's population was deemed too have grown to big for local government purposes. The post I was answering seemed to think having the likes of a Fingal county team was a contradiction to an inter county championship. I'm not saying this automatically proves Dublin should be split up, just pointing out the irony of the previous post. As to what you said about the north of Ireland, not that I would argue anyway that the traditional counties of Ulster should be redrawn for GAA purposes, my understanding of the north of Ireland is the likes of Omagh & Fermanagh are not defined as counties, they are defined as Local Government Districts as they have a different system of local government up there since the 1970's. As to your other point regarding cities, in the Republic of Ireland cities with city council's are not regarded as counties in their own right (that's why they are called city councils not county councils) bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1416 - 08/12/2020 11:43:23 2320162 Link 0 |
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The solution for the Dublin question for me is simple. I would like to see Dublin's underage teams officially split into North and South Dublin (they already do this at under 14 level) and both teams ply in Leinster competitions al the way to under 20s. Dublin have two panels all the way up to minor level anyway, this makes things official. If the seniors have go on to dominate the next decade like this then you have the next crop of players who have played for North/South Dublin the whole time and it is a smoother transition. This benefits Dublin underage and also levels the playing field in Leinster and All Ireland underage competitions. I can't see many negatives to it? Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 610 - 08/12/2020 11:52:04 2320171 Link 0 |
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And if Dublin don't dominate the next 10 years?
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1479 - 08/12/2020 12:18:08 2320182 Link 0 |
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More needs to be done to foster the GAA in DLR What would you suggest? Most clubs in the area are quite new (Ballinteer - 1982, Cuala - 1974, N. Olaf - 1981, Kilmacud Crokes - 1966, Fox-Cab - 2005) suggesting there's a significant amount of GAA growth in the area in the past generation. In terms of participation, KC has circa 4,800 members, Cuala has 1,600, Fox Cab has 500 which seems pretty good to me and has risen exponentially over the past couple of decades. The clubs are very much accessible to surrounding areas so there's not really much scope for new clubs. In terms of success, Cuala and KC have won All-Ireland's in the recent past while Fox-Cab has contested a couple of recent AI finals, which is a fair level of achievement at senior level. Given that DLR has strong soccer and rugby playing numbers, I'd say the GAA in the area has done well to grow so much in recent times. In spite of this, I still feel that, given the modest enough pick from clubs, a DLR representative side would be weak enough in the whole scheme of intercounty football and hurling and making DLR into a "county" for such purposes would be counterproductive. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 08/12/2020 12:45:46 2320196 Link 0 |
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City Councils in Ireland perform the function of County Councils though. Same as the local government areas in the North. They're split along population lines. None of them, as with the 4 Dublin Council areas, are traditional counties, and it is the traditional counties of Ireland that the GAA is based upon. So logically it follows that if you want the GAA counties based on Admin areas in Dublin, you'll want them based on Admin areas everywhere. I can see the merit to that long term in conjunction with amalgamations of course. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13850 - 08/12/2020 13:02:08 2320206 Link 0 |
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Splitting Dublin is often talked about but I don't know how realistic it is. I mean the strength of the Gaa has been identity and tribalism so splitting Dublin seems as ridiculous to be me as merging say Monaghan and Cavan. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 08/12/2020 13:13:27 2320212 Link 2 |
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Then the best of the two teams go onto the Dublin Senior team?
Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 610 - 08/12/2020 13:19:50 2320214 Link 0 |
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Perhaps more clubs rather than bigger clubs is the answer,some clubs may have a surplus of playing members. I feel a team representing DLR would hold their own with a lot of Co teams. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/12/2020 15:00:35 2320256 Link 0 |
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You need to be sensible and realistic in your posts re what can be done to make the game more competitive and also have more people playing the game in Dublion.Spurious stuff does not contribute to real debate and I think you know that.What is your proposal,beyong hand wringing and knocking any attempt at debate on the issue?Awaiting your positive proposal!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/12/2020 15:07:37 2320260 Link 0 |
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Go easy there with London and New York,we need to try and fix Dublin first!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/12/2020 15:11:43 2320262 Link 0 |
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Restructure the championships for a start. Dublin should play away games at the away venue and neutral games at a neutral venue. Central funding. Ensure all funding is equally split. Central GDOs. The GAA should employ these directly and not the county boards and county boundaries shouldn't he taken into account when their services are being delegated. Rotate Dublin around the provinces or else get rid of the provincial championships. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/12/2020 15:12:11 2320264 Link 0 |
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It's not really though. It seems there's only outcry when Dublin hammer the likes of Meath. However, nobody batted an eyelid when Meath put 7 goals past Wicklow a few weeks before, or when Mayo beat Leitrim. The county structure is unequal in its nature, as someone mentioned above. Galway's population advantage over Leitrim is proportionally greater than Dublin's over Galway. It's definitely a problem if no one can compete with Dublin, but splitting Dublin would be only a small part of a true solution in this regard."]You're spot on and this is the point that Gilroy was trying to make. He drew a drastic comparison with the US NFL to labour his point but in-effect what he was saying is that splitting Dublin may benefit a handful of counties who are just one peg below but it will do nothing for the vast majority who are trailing further back. The solution needs to be more elaborate and would need to consist of splits and amalgamations to make it fair. I just don't see counties being too willing to amalgamate, due to parochial issues, or Galway and Cork being willing to split along local government lines. I think the rush by some to disarm Dublin has blinded them to the wider problem. They wish to lower the bar rather than raise it."]Agree with a lot of what you say there Joxer.Perhaps we need to be imaginative in how the amalgamation countrwide would work,say something on the basis of the Divisional teams eg in Kerry,there could still be a Co team and also an amalgamated team to play in a higher level competition.The GAA has worked fairly well for a long time but a whole root and branch look at the organization and how the competitions are constituted would be worthwhile. Do we know if the GAA at national level has a club development section that actively looks at areas and suggests what might be done to create a new club or is it just left to gaa people that just might be interested in forming a club...the latter I believe might be the case. ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/12/2020 15:21:55 2320271 Link 0 |
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You say all funding is equally split should it not be split proportionally? Some counties have far bigger general populations, playing populations than others. Development officers shouldnt at all be working across counties. They need to have designated areas but should be county based or across areas within counties. You dont have development officers for Connacht rugby working in Munster schools or Leinster staff working in Ulster. Dublin shouldnt be rotated around the provinces because that doesnt help anything or anyone. Provincial championships cant be got rid of. Tipps win this year, Even Cavan who have most Ulster titles by far win was great considering theyve just 2 in 50 years! KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 4011 - 08/12/2020 15:24:05 2320274 Link 0 |
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restructure the championship in what way? ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/12/2020 15:28:02 2320278 Link 0 |