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Yes to both. Himself and the iron man from rhode had a fair few encounters.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/11/2020 17:50:53 2310753 Link 0 |
Same man...!
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4491 - 17/11/2020 17:56:33 2310758 Link 0 |
You know Furlong I take it you're not a fan of twitter! Maybe Hoganstand could restrict re-posting the entire thesis everytime someone replies to you. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 17/11/2020 18:42:58 2310767 Link 4 |
Different generation I would think, Arock... ;o) Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4491 - 17/11/2020 18:52:48 2310773 Link 0 |
100% Royaldunne, I love furlongs posts he is seriously knowledgeable and always very respectful, it's a pity our weeshie has passed on as I'd say he'd love to have gathered furlongs stories and like you say there could have been a book or 2 out of it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/11/2020 18:54:07 2310775 Link 1 |
Why is having young teenage forwards a good thing? TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 17/11/2020 18:57:03 2310779 Link 3 |
Just to expand, the likes of Jordan Morris and Matthew Costello played for the Meath U20s Vs Dublin U20s in Feb, the score was Dublin 2-14 Meath 0-07. Morris got 1, a free, Costello 1 from play. The Dublin U 20 forward line needless to say ran a muck. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 17/11/2020 19:06:09 2310784 Link 4 |
Yes they did they had forwards just as good as Dublin in 70s. Thats why Dublin 70s struggled so hard to beat in 3 massive tough championship in mid 70s and national league div 1 final in 75. Mattie kerrigan Ken Rennicks Colm O Rourke Ollie O Brien were quality top class forwards. Mattie kerrigan is one greatest Meath footballers ever and was at his peak the best centre forward in Ireland. Colm.O Rourke is Meath greatest footballer of last 50 years and at his peak was best forward and best footballer in Ireland. He won footballer of the year. Ken Rennicks is the greatest Meath footballer never to win Sam. One of the most talented Meath forwards of all time and in 1975 league final gave greatest performance by Meath forward Croke Park in a final only maybe bettered by Bernard Flynn performance v Dubs in 88 league final. That Meath team from 1974 to 1977 was in the top 4 or 5 teams in the country. That team also had Joe Cassells( future Meath All Ireland winning captain) Mick lyons ( future Meath All Ireland winning captain) , Gerry McEntee ( Meath great), Jack Quinn ( best full back in Ireland one of the best footballers at his peak) Pat Reynold snr ( All star wing back one of best wings backs in Ireland) Meath played Dublin in 74 could have won, Meath defeated Dublin in 75, Meath should have won in 76 and how they didnt win in 77 is still mystery as Meath dominated the second half and lost by 2. Remeber in 1977 Dublin hammered kerry in the semi final and hammered Armagh in the final and won two in a row and yet in leinster final in 77 Dublin were very very lucky to scrape past Meath. Its no coincidence every All Ireland Dublin won the 70s ans 80s they had a massive battle with Meath in leinster. Dublin won Sam in 74 75 77 83 everyone of the years Meaths pushed Dublin all the way. Meath of course beat Dublin in 1975 league final. Meath are only team to beat great kerry team or great Dublin team of the 70s in a national final. They actually defeated kerry in national league semi final in 75 a team that would win Sam later on in 75 and beat Dubs in the final where Meath forwards particularly Mattie kerrigan and Ken Rennicks gave exhibition of forward play. Meath always produced better forwards then Dublin for generations the same way kerry always produce better forwards then Cork. The same traditionally Galway always seem to produce better forwards then Mayo. Yes Dublin have better forwards in the last tens years. But that is very unual. In the 40s and 50s Peter McDermont, Frankie Byrne, Paddy Meegan and Brian Symth were better then Dublin forwards at the time that why Meath won 5 times in 6 years v Dubs and won Sam twice. In the 60s Mattie kerrigan Noel Curran Ollie Shanley were better forwards the Dubs had. Thats why after 1964 to 1970 Meath were best team in leinater and reached 3 All Ireland finals winning one in 67. In 70s Mattie kerrigan, Colm O Rourke, ken Rennicks, Ollie O Brien were just as good as Dublins forwards. Meath had better forwards in 80z with greatest full forward line ever only bettered by Egan Loston Sheedy. Two footballers of year Colm O Rourke Brian Stafford and Bernatd Flynn. In 90s Meath also had better forwards then Dublin with Tommy Dowd, Graham Geraghty, Brendan Reilly, Evan kelly, Ollie Murphy and the only ever two time footballer of the year Trevor Giles. And Meath had better forwards then Dublim in 00s with Graham Geraghty, Joe Sheridan, Brian Farrell, Cian Ward, Stephen Bray, David Bray, Shane O Rourke, Peadar Bynre. Thats why Meath reached 2 All Ireland semi finak in 3 years eg 07 and 09 and beat great Tyrone team off 00s in q final and defeated Galway and Mayo in the championship and drew with Dublin in 07 and hammered Dublin by record 5 goals in 2010 and won leinster. So many Meath games were won by 1 point or 2 in 70s 80s 90s and 00s. One of the reasons Meath defeated Dublin more then any other county, Meath always produced better forwards then Dublin. The last ten years of course Dubs have the best forwards in Ireland. But hopefully these new generation of Meaths forwards can reach the heights of Meath greeats of the past. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 17/11/2020 19:07:30 2310785 Link 7 |
So true
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/11/2020 19:48:27 2310803 Link 1 |
Yes Meath have an issue at under 20. Dubs finance and organisation kicks in. Meath its mental issue for years not taking u20 or u21serious. But if Meath keep producing quality minors and current minor team is looks the strongest in years and get right managers and east leinster project makes impact the breakthrough at undr 20 will surely comem But at minor Dublin were wipinhlg floor with Meath for 5 or 6 year at start of last decade. With better forwardd and bigger players. At minor level in last 6 years Meath are bigger and more competitive and with 5 victoroee over Dublin at minor Meath had more skilful players and better forwards. Which traditionally Meath always had better forwards then Dublin. Of course this decade Dubs best forwards in Ireland. One issue with these young Meath teams at underage they wreee overloaded with quality forwards. While at midfield and defensively not as strong. Meath woulf end up with some quality forwards on the bench. But with forward play issue with Meath at senior a whole group of young forwards have come through, this is a good thing. Of the 8 under 20 players that came through last year and 6 under 20 only 3 of then are defenders. Hickey and Harkin and Clarke are defenders, rest are forwards. The others are all forwards eg Morris Walsh J Conlon, Devine, Campion, McGovern, Scully, Costello. Which we need. Players like Jame Conlon Ethan Devine and Jason Scully were part of Meath minor team that hammered Dublin in 2016. Matthew Costello has being part of Meath teams who have beaten Dublin twice at underage. Meath hanmered Dublin at minor this year and if you include another hammering Meath gave Dublin at minor at 2016 and two victories over Dublin at minor ( first inaugural minor championship in 2017) Meath have beaten Dublin 5 times in 6 years at minor. That is not bad thing. For years Dublin were hammering Meath at underage. Yes issue at under 20 I think that will change. And yes Dubs make excuses about minor. But I saw all those 5 victories and 2 hammerings Neath gave Dublin it was obvious Meath looked more skilful had better forwards then Dublin. And looking at Jordan Morris hitting 4 - 14 in 3 games for Meath at senior and Costello hitting 2- 1 at wing back in 2 games and Shane Walsh scoring 4 pointw from play v Dubs recently and at 18 last scored 6 v kerry in super 8s 3 from play anf kerry full back couldnt handle him at, it proves point these are talented young forwards with promise. Also James Conlon who is turning a super sub who scored 3 points v Galway from bench and 3 v kerry from bench this year has scored a points in every game he came on this year and if you look at Ethan Devine brillant goal v Kerry or Jason Scully also making impact v Dubs and Dara Campion last year brillant displat v kerry scoring great goal and was man of the match in Ballybofey v Donegal in the league were he scored 3 outstanding points. These are all forwards. And they have played well against teams like kerry Dublin Monaghan Donegal and the age of 19 and 20 and in Shane Walsh case at 18. It proved that these 5 victories over Dublin at minor showed Meath do have quality forwarda comint through and they are making impact at senior. Just two examples when Meath forward ran amok v Dubs 2016 leinster minor Meath 1-18 Dublin 2 - 5 2020 leinster minor Meath 1-15 Dublin 0-7. PS Regards their age yes they might not have the careers one hopes you dont know with loss of form and injury bad manager comes in. We saw Meath in late 00s had quality forwards but David Bray and Shane O Rourke had to retire in their mid 20s injuries. You dont know. But we needed forwards and there is a group of young talented Meath forwards coming through. We havent seen this in 15 years. In the last few years forwards were coming through now and again Newman and Wallace in 2013, McMahon in 2014, lenihan in 2016. But now we had 6 debutants in game v Wicklow 4 of them.were forwards. Last year we had 6 under 20 forwards who played super 8s. Its 15 or 20 years since that happened and they are were making impacrt. Jordan Morris scored 2 points v Dubs as sub, 7 points v Monaghan as sub and scored 3- 4 v Wicklow his first start and 1- 1 v Kildare and brillantly set up Costellos goal. Costello had his start v Wicklow scored a brillant goal v Wixklow and scored briklany goal v kildare and and for me at 19 he was man of the match v Kildare. And the things is that as these players ger oldr they could get better. That is a reql possibilly. A player at 19 when he turns 22 23 24 he can better and many players peak at 26 or 27. So when we see these brillant young Meath footballers they do have potential. Meath got the closets to Dublin any team in leinster has got in 8 years in league or championship a few week ago with 8 of these new young playing eg Harkin Hickey Scully Walsh Morris Walsh J Conlon Devine Campion. One of the reasons we got so close to Dubd was these young players many who were not on panel last year. In the Dublin game Walsh Morris and Conlon scored between them 8 points and Morris and Walsh were not on the panel when Meath were playing Dubs last year when he hit 4 points. They are already making impact. As Meath supporter you going see this is a positive because you want Meath to suceed. Dublin supportter you dont want Meath suceed you want these young players to fall and fail so you say to young loss form get injured. That could happen we dont know. But there is chance they could be huge players and already they are importaant they are making huge impact again look at Morris and Walsh Morris v Dubs as sub scores 0 - 2 Morris v Monghan as sub acore 0 - 7 & magnificent equalising point in 75th min of game Morris in his debut hit 3 - 4 v Wicklow Morris in his first game in Croker scores 1 -1 He also could have scored a goal v Dubs and 3 goals v Monagham and he was sub in both. Scoring 4 - 14 at 19 v Dublin Monaghan Wicklow and kildarw is good going. If he was Mayo forward or Dublin forward people would be raving about him. He has potential. And I actually think he is nog the best young corwards who has come through and are coming through I rate 4 young forwards higher. I think there is even better taleny to comr through and has come through I rate Shane Walsh higher. He came off the bench v Mayo last year in Croke Park he hit 5 great free. He was only after finishing his leaving cert. V kerry in supers 8 against Morley and all star Tom.Sullivan he was outstanding scored 6, 3 from play. He had 3 different markers and he was only 18. This year v Dubs he hit 4 excellent points on play. And Sunday he was effective target man and scored point of the game. I thibk he could have huge game on saturday. He is one best young full fowards in the countey youy score 6 points v kerry in champiomship at 18, and 4 points v Dubs all from play at 19, I think fair to say Shane Walsh is one best young full forwards out there. Yes you dont know how their careers will develop. But it is positive thing for Meath. And I have to say huge fan of these footballere like Walsh Morris Costello Conlon Hickey. They are skilful anf have quality but they have real swagger and confidence something young Meath players have been lacking in last ten years. Another who impressed me is Cathal Hickey only 19. He was brillant v Dubs in his debut , scored a brillant individual goal v Wicklow. Of all these young players he stands out in that he is defender. He looks quality young defender a natural defender. He played in full back v Dubs and very impressive. And played at wing back v Monaghan also very impressive. We have allot of competition at the backs but he looks quality. Young Harkin 20 from Dunsany was very good v Dubs he looks like a real defenfer who has promise. And Clarke played in all league gamed at corner back he is 21 hes back from injury he also looka a natural out and out corner back. We also got Cian McBride back from Auzzie rules for these games. He is 19 a real prospect. We have lost him.to Auzzie rulee but we have seen with other players who went over to Austrailia he can come back. So that door is still open. He came back but is after injuring himself so is not fit for sat. He is a big strong midfielder we have lost to Auzzie rules as well as Conor Nash who many people including myself thought was a genrerational talenr I rhought was best young players we produced in ten or 15 years. But again he could come back also. So Mesth have allot talentee young players coming through the talent is there and so is the potential. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 17/11/2020 20:30:00 2310817 Link 6 |
Thanks kingdomboy and Royaldunne. You are two gentlemen I appreciate the comments.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 17/11/2020 20:32:55 2310819 Link 5 |
Meath have issue at under 20 no doubt. Meaths best player Shane Walsh was missing for that game. Dublin U20 were training since October and November. Meath didnt put management team together til end Dec Jan. As I said Meath need to really get their act together ans treat under 20 as important as senior. There is issue but expect with east leinster project kildare Wicklow louth and Meath will be strong at underage in next ten years. I think you will see breakthrough at under 20 in 2020s. Meath under 20 did play Dublin in the leinster league this year in early Feb. Meath won. Both had full strenght teama. Jordan Morris ran amok v Dublin backline scoring 1 - 4 and was man of the match. Thats the third time he has beaten Dublin at underage the other two are twice at minor. He was man of the match also when Meath played Dublin at minor and scored 1 - 6 v Dublin at minor. Theres a great tradition of north Meath inside forwards who always played well v Dubs like Ollie Murphy and Brian Stafford. Morris ran amok v Dubs at underage and has been outstanding so far this year. He might not have a great day on saturday. But he is an inside forward that can cause Dublin problems over the coming years years. Meath have a great tradition of inside forwards who ran amok v Dubs like ken Rennicks v Dubs in 75 league final, Bernard Flynn in 88 league v Dubs, or Mattie Mccabe in 88 leinster final, Colm O Rourke in 1990 leinster final, Ollie Murphy in 97 and 99 Meath Dublin games ran amok, Graham Geraghty in 2007 Meath V Dublin game and of course Stephen Bray Joe Sheridan Cian Ward and Brian Farrell scoring 5 goals in 2010. There is great tradition of great Meath inside forwards puttinh in great performances v Dubs. This new full forward line Jordan Morris Shane Walsh Thomas O Reilly and with back up inside forwards like Joey Wallace James Conlon Donal lenihan to call upon Meath are much stronger upfront then last year or even in the spring 2020. Might not work out this year. But they have promise and potential. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 17/11/2020 21:07:21 2310842 Link 6 |
On a lighter note, in the 1970 all final v Kerry, Jack Quinn had a great game where his fielding was top drawer, an a lad beside me on the Canal End shouted sone thing like 'go on the Mighty Quinn' which was a line from a song at the time. An old Dub quipped, that's not the mighty Quinn....he's a Superquinn. Nearly made my day....Kerry spoiled it though.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1119 - 17/11/2020 21:22:53 2310859 Link 0 |
Not running down the lad Furlong, but I think there might be an exaggeration around these lads and their potential at the moment. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 17/11/2020 21:49:55 2310869 Link 3 |
I cant see beyond Dublin Furlong but hopefully they wiil make a game of it. Would love to see Meath back challenging again. I was nt impressed with Meath last Sunday though. 5 goals great but still only 14 scores to 15. However maybe just blowing off a few cobwebs. I'm looking forward to seeing young Morris v Dubs. On Meaths league campaign though they were very unlucky in many games so the table not a true reflection on their form. I was nt at the Kerry game but a good pal told me Meath should ve won. Enjoy reading your posts Furlong. Very enlightening but no point in arguing with you as you have too many facts. Anyway best of luck sat eve to both Meath and Dublin.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4027 - 17/11/2020 21:58:32 2310873 Link 1 |
And John McDonnell never was good enough to play minor etc. And a certain Monaghan player too if I recall correctly , some players develop better at senior
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/11/2020 22:01:12 2310875 Link 1 |
Spot on Username!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 17/11/2020 22:01:39 2310876 Link 3 |
Bernard Brogan, Eoghan O Gara, Macker, Mick Fitzsimons, Brian Fenton and Denis Bastick never played minor for Dublin. Well, I tell a lie, Bernard Brogan played minor hurling. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 17/11/2020 22:35:40 2310896 Link 0 |
You dont get it. Firstly regards minor its feels like your saying we dont try minor we domnt care about minor. We fill the lads full of Fanta and Mars bars before the match we r just having the crack at minor. Your not giving Meath enough credit for those victories. I have seen these minor games it meant something to Dublin I know you will disagree and I get development part but to almoat say Dublin dont care about minor and , we were not kind of trying. That what it sounds like. I know you will disagree. I have seen Dublin play Meath so many times at every level and those games matter. Meath young players coming through are better in last 2 years then previous 20 years. Their impact at senior proves rhat. I respect what you say Username I dont want get into arguement and I know you will disagree. And respond. I am going leave there I have written to much about match I need to just leave it there. We will agree to disagree. I always enjoy your posts and they are always excellent. I am Meath your Dublin. Digs fly now again. Thats what Meath and Dublin do. But we always sake hands at end of battle and move on. Yes Dublin finances organisation kicks in at under 20. Its working. Meath is not working. But doesnt mean it will continue not to work forever. We had problem at minor we sorted out. There is quite determinationto get Meath back. Allot of work being done on the ground you can see at senior players like Morris Walsh Costello are different to 19 or 20 year olds making debut for Meath in 2014 and 2015. For me Meath at under 20 is mental. Kildare won under 20 All Ireland and the only team to beat them in the championship was Meath. We beat lsinster and All Ireland champions we fully deserved winners should have won by 6 or 7. Then we got out lose Dublin badly. Then kildare beat Dubllin in the final easily. And we defeated kildare. Its shows theres a problem.at under 20 mentallh. Meath have never took under 20 or under 21 football seriously. We have only won 1 All Ireland title at under 21 and we havent won leinster title at the grade for 19 years. There is issue there. But that has to change these talented minors who now making impact so well at senior there future succesors have to better at under 20. Shane Walsh and Morris do well at minor and then senior. But not under 20 clearly there is issue at under 20. I think it will come at under 20 because what Dublin did we are doing on smaller scale of course. Dublin put in plan in mid 00s and got Irish governments and GAA to give millions ti fund full time coachs. Dublin have had up to 60 or 70 full time gaa coachs in the county for over the decade. First county to ever win 7 senior in a decade showed the millions invested was huge sucess. East leinster project is miuch nore smallscale but it has huge potential. Meath and kildare had 3 full time coachs for years. In last year Meath and kildare both now have 17 full time coachs. Louth have 7 full time coachs so do Wicklow. There has to be a good chance that this will help all four counties at underage. I can see already current minor Meath looks a different level to even Morris Walsh minor team. Its hard to know with young lads hopefully they will get right management at under 20 and we will win. leinster. I think in next ten years with east leister project you will see louth and Wicklow win leinster minor title and really imptove at underage. Wicklow are already showing signs of improvemenrt. I think Meath and kildare are going give Dublin a real competitive time at both grade. I coule see both winning underage All.Ireland in 2020s and winniny leinster titles. Huge work has done been at underage in Meath and kildare. Boths populatuons has exploded. Like there is a whole new area in Meath that has become a football.stronghold which was once weak football.area south east eg Rataoth Bettystown Ashbourne and you cud include Dunshaughlin and Dunboyne into that. If Meath could tap or even kildare tap into the whole new population in the county that could be gamechanger. Thats what happenee Dublin. Southside suburbs were gaa wasteland and over last 25 years clubs like kilmacud Crokes Ballyboden even Bonos club Cuala Dalkey have become hugelu sucessful clubs. Many of current Dublin team are from these areas which were once weak gaa areas. Many of their parents are from.western seaboard eg Kerry Donegal Clarr came up to Dublin got jobs as guard teachers civil servive moved to suburbs joined local gaa club and their sons became Dublin greats. Meath also have that dynamic and so do kildare going on down on the ground. Movement of peope to North kildare and south east Meah has meant botj counties population has doubled. It doesnt gurantee sucess look at Wicklow or Antrim or limerick football with big populations. But whoever taps in succesfully into this new population new football area will have sucess maybe even unprecedebtee sucess like Dublin. You could see in next 20 years All Ireland winning kildare team.and maybe first ever three in a row All Ireland winning Meath team who knows. Regards these Meath forwards being gobbled up by Dublin maybe they will Bookies say Dubs going to win by 10. Maybe another 15 point loss. You dont get understand when Meath footballer beats Dublin its like injecting steriods confidence into their veins. These young lads have beaten Dublin regularly this is a positive development and is important. Look at the league game v Dubs the closest any team in leinster in league or championship has got to since 2012 2013. Look at how Walsh scored those 4 points. And Conlon and Morris scored 2 each. I am.100% certain beating Dublin at underage contributes to their performance it give young Walsh the belief to score 4 points v Dubs. Do not underestimate how any victory at level v Dublib is important for another county. I think people dont realise how Dublin have always dominated leinster football. And 5 victories in 6 years at any level is significant for Meath to beat Dublin.at any grade it gived huge confidence. Lets say Meath do perform well on sat and get close to Dublin which is unlikely. The minor victoriee would be one of the reaaons for that . Why did Cork beat kerry? Beating them at underage helped. Jist regard Morris he comed from. the part of Meath which produces inside forwards who just have a swagger and are clever brillant finisher like Ollie Mutphy ftom Carnaros Brian Stafford from kilmainhamwood Ray Magee from kilmainwood Micheal Newman from kilimainwood Brian Farrell from Nobber and Morris is also from Nobber he is heir to these players. Will we have a career like Newmam or Magee or Farrell or wil he reach heights of Stafford and Murphy. I dont know no one knows. But he has made huge impact. And he has that Ollie Mutphy north Meath swagger confidence trickery thing going on. North Meath forwards have tormented Dublin backs for generations. Dublin might have gobbled up this player and that player. An inside forward from.small north Meath village there is something up that part of the county, those forwards from North Meath villages love playing Dublim. He could have a poor game. But i think it is fair to say over the coming years he is a real prospect. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 17/11/2020 23:25:18 2310905 Link 5 |
Thanks Ciarraimick for the comments. Meath came very close to beating kerry Mayo and Galway. They are the best counties and Meath were riiddled with injuries and yet Meath went toe to toe with the above anx Dublin and Monaghan also. They are good signs. We are realistic its likely we could lose up to ten. Maybe even 13 14 the usual. If we could get to 9 8 or 7 and go full 60 mins that would good end of season would be best performance any leinster team has got v Dublin in championhip since 2012 2013. If we could get it down to 6 5 or 4 or go full 70s mins that would be great. Anything better would be even great. Of cictory would be amazing. But that is u likely, but we can still dream. The next two years 2021 2022 will be interesting to see if Meath can build further. But you guys kerry understand the rivalry in Dublin. Meath and Dublin , kerry and Dublin are traditional Dublin rivalries. I think for kerry beating Dublin is everything also. Winning an All.Ireland and beating Dublin in the final thats the aim for kerry. Since 1955 that has been the great obssesion of kerry football. And in 1955 1975 1978 1979 1984 1985 were great All Ireland finals for kerry v the Dubs. Its the same for Meath beating Dublin in a leinster final is everything for Meath. Kerry and Meath both share that rivalry with Dublin. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 18/11/2020 00:05:49 2310910 Link 6 |