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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'll worry when these threads aren't started to be honest.

They are as predictable around this time of year as the evenings drawing in, there is a kind of reassuring glow to them with Dublin Sam in the back pocket again, I'll miss them when we don't win and they are not around any more."
Great interview with Dean Rock on the Late Late tonight. Great guy on the pitch and a great guy off it.

Some out there would have you believe that the Dublin players are professional and don't have to work for a living.

Don't believe everything those Kerry lads tell you folks. ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 2864 - 20/09/2019 22:05:04    2237944

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When defeat does come it'll be so much easier to take now with the 5 in the bag. In fact, it might even be refreshing, who knows, I say that now.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 20/09/2019 22:05:52    2237945

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The argument was valid in 2001 and still is today.

Kerry have seen two young prospects depart for Australia. Dublin are able to fend off the lure of Australian dollars. Tommy Walsh left after our '09 win.

Congratulations on a good achievement for Dublin and winter well."
And once again
Whats your solution for Tipp , Clare , Limerick and Waterford ? Kerrys total domination of Munster 81 titles and 37 All Irelands has got to be sorted once and for all .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2017 - 20/09/2019 22:12:16    2237948

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Replying To Fionn:  "Great interview with Dean Rock on the Late Late tonight. Great guy on the pitch and a great guy off it.

Some out there would have you believe that the Dublin players are professional and don't have to work for a living.

Don't believe everything those Kerry lads tell you folks. ;o)"
Hes a cracking young fella, a credit to his family and community, lovely to hear him and Paddy and Ciaran are hitting New York, you get a sense the team are all great mates. The work he has did on his mind sets both team and individual is fascinating.

You get the sense his motivation for doing the interview was to raise profile and awareness of the work hes involved in and done holistically at Stewards, which set us apart from the usual self interest stuff of peddling a book and the like you see in the media by others. Its quite mad that you can watch that with your own eyes and still say Dublin are a professional outfit, that said some of the tin foil hat stuff is very funny and i wouldn't be surprised to see a few GAA jersey storming area 51.

I find it quite fascinating that many of the team have ended up in roles of civic, community support and awareness raising, exceptional young men.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3411 - 21/09/2019 08:29:18    2237993

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Replying To superbluedub:  "And once again
Whats your solution for Tipp , Clare , Limerick and Waterford ? Kerrys total domination of Munster 81 titles and 37 All Irelands has got to be sorted once and for all ."
Kerry played in Ennis. That's fairness. Kerry won Munster without a game in Killarney.

5/8 of Kerry's championship games were in the backyard of their opponents.
1/8 of Kerry's championship games were in Killarney.
7/9 of Dublin's championship games were in Croke Park.
1/9 of Dublin's championship games were in the backyard of their opponents.

Will a county ever win 5 in-a-row away from home? Former Dublin players say the dogs on the street know their advantage of playing in Croker.

Congratulations on a good internal achievement for Dublin and winter well.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 21/09/2019 11:12:43    2238012

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Is he not from Meath?

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 485 - 21/09/2019 11:19:16    2238014

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Replying To realdub:  "When defeat does come it'll be so much easier to take now with the 5 in the bag. In fact, it might even be refreshing, who knows, I say that now."
Money well spent realdub ;-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11194 - 21/09/2019 11:32:22    2238018

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I don't know when but a split in Dublin is inevitable. Maybe even a four way split. Might take another 5 more AI's but it's coming. There was an attendance of 30k for the Leinster final after all. Interest in football is being eroded and the GAA and a new President will know it will only get worse until there's inevitable change.

The meltdown when the split does will be hilarious. The Jackeens will be crying and trust me, the 5 or 6 or even 10 in a row won't matter a jot.

All it's going to take is a little patience from the rest of us!

LimerickKid84 (Limerick) - Posts: 27 - 21/09/2019 11:35:26    2238019

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Dublin John who is the president for Dublin has been poor

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 485 - 21/09/2019 11:49:17    2238023

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Replying To LimerickKid84:  "I don't know when but a split in Dublin is inevitable. Maybe even a four way split. Might take another 5 more AI's but it's coming. There was an attendance of 30k for the Leinster final after all. Interest in football is being eroded and the GAA and a new President will know it will only get worse until there's inevitable change.

The meltdown when the split does will be hilarious. The Jackeens will be crying and trust me, the 5 or 6 or even 10 in a row won't matter a jot.

All it's going to take is a little patience from the rest of us!"
Not a chance, fate will catch up with your arguments.
Re Funding: not one non-Dub on here knows what they talking about, so it shifts to.....
Population............on Prime Time I actually heard a Louth Manager say how far they could go with Dublin money........right so it's money? Yes, but when that argument doesn't even stake up it's.....population......then we have the nebulous, the Dublin Advantages.......population, funding Ad nauseam, it goes round and around. McStay started talking about Funding and stating its not complicated, when he gets the counter argument McStay say's its complicated but no harm looking at it (a massive turn around). So then he brings up Population its uncomplicated, the counter argument, why should we? We won't agree to to it, you can't divide the city up along county council administration lines as some will have actually no clubs!!!! he replies well McStay says (its complicated for sure but no harm talking about it). And here we are talking about it. Won't happen not in my lifetime and not in yours, in fact global warming will have turned the Island into a desert by the time that will happen. But do keep plugging away at it, sure it will keep you going through the dark decades of Dublin dominance.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 21/09/2019 12:07:28    2238028

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Replying To LimerickKid84:  "I don't know when but a split in Dublin is inevitable. Maybe even a four way split. Might take another 5 more AI's but it's coming. There was an attendance of 30k for the Leinster final after all. Interest in football is being eroded and the GAA and a new President will know it will only get worse until there's inevitable change.

The meltdown when the split does will be hilarious. The Jackeens will be crying and trust me, the 5 or 6 or even 10 in a row won't matter a jot.

All it's going to take is a little patience from the rest of us!"
Don't agree.Dublin is a traditional gaa county with now 29 senior football all-Ireland titles.I wouldn't favour splitting Dublin.You reference an attendance of only 30k at a Leinster Final.How would you like a Leinster Final between Dublin North and Dublin South.I wouldn't.Kerry nearly beat Dublin the first day.Mayo could have beaten them in both 2016 and 2017.Dublin aren't that far ahead.Even as it stands,Dublin are short a midfielder to partner Fenton and they need a couple of backs.
For all of that,the gaa need to break a habit and start using a bit of imagination.Roscommon played Dublin in a neutral super 8 game in Croke Park. That match should have been played in a packed O'Connor park in Tullamore.Let's push other counties up rather than pulling Dublin down.Kevin McStay has spoken about the financial pressures for smaller counties of funding a county team.The Central gaa authorities should be solving that problem.There should also be far greater flexibility in the rules for players to elect or declare to play for a county.Conor Cox came to Roscommon from Kerry this year and set our Summer alight.There must be plenty of quality players in Dublin who will never play for the Dublin county team.Those players should be allowed to declare for and play for another county even if they have no connection with that county which is not currently permitted,

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1235 - 21/09/2019 12:16:11    2238029

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Replying To LimerickKid84:  "I don't know when but a split in Dublin is inevitable. Maybe even a four way split. Might take another 5 more AI's but it's coming. There was an attendance of 30k for the Leinster final after all. Interest in football is being eroded and the GAA and a new President will know it will only get worse until there's inevitable change.

The meltdown when the split does will be hilarious. The Jackeens will be crying and trust me, the 5 or 6 or even 10 in a row won't matter a jot.

All it's going to take is a little patience from the rest of us!"
Comparison of 3 counties in Dublin and 3 counties in Munster:

Fingal - 296,020
South Dublin - 278,767
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018
Limerick 194,899
Tipperary 159,553
Kerry 147,707

The 3 counties of Dublin are the longterm sustainable future of the game. It's just a matter of when. We are living in a pre-evolutionary moment in time.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 21/09/2019 12:21:35    2238033

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Money well spent realdub ;-)"
Yeh its a shame we hadn't got that money back in the 70s, we probably would have one those 6 finals in a row :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 21/09/2019 12:23:27    2238034

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Comparison of 3 counties in Dublin and 3 counties in Munster:

Fingal - 296,020
South Dublin - 278,767
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018
Limerick 194,899
Tipperary 159,553
Kerry 147,707

The 3 counties of Dublin are the longterm sustainable future of the game. It's just a matter of when. We are living in a pre-evolutionary moment in time."
Splitting Dublin in 3 makes absolutely no sense. It has to be north/south. If in 30/40 years it's an issue with north/south dominating again then do north, south and west.

If you split Dublin in 3/4 they'd win nothing at an all Ireland level for decades. Even though their populations would still be bigger then mayo/donegal/kerry etc. Pound for pound the Dubs just aren't as good and need their massive advantages to dominate.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 21/09/2019 12:59:35    2238046

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If anything i think thread proves the need for the games development funding, Dublin receive.

We are often accused of two advantages of money and population. The funny thing with the registered player to finance argument, is one discounts the other. If you want to prove Dublin are over funded, you have to cut the population to 39k, Dublin number of registered players. If you want to prove population is advantage then, you have to use an analysis of population to per head of 1.345mill to GDF. One discounts the other really, its funny really.

That population model gives us this breakdown of GDF, per head of population:

Monaghan GDF 124.000, Population of Monaghan 60.483 = 2.05 per head.

Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head.

Kerry GDF 197.600 euro, population of Kerry 147.000, ratio = 1.34 euro per head.

Mayo GDF 134.29 euro, population of Mayo, 130.5k, ratio = 1.02 euro per head. Tyrone GDF 119.000 euro, population 177.9k = 66 cent per head

Galway GDF 184.4k euro, population 258.0k = 71cent per head.

Donegal GDF 130.2k euro, population 159.1k = 81 cent per head.

Kildare GDF 341.3k euro, population 222.5k = 1.53 euro per head

Roscommon GDF, 146k euro, population 66.5k = 2.2 euro per head.

Cork GDF, 249k euro, population 542k = 45 cent per head.

Meath GDF, 367.4k, population 195.0 = 1.88 euro per head.

So ultimately if you accept the population is an advantage, then funding isn't an advantage. If you accept that Funding is a disadvantage (registered players) then population isn't an advantage.

One discounts the other really, its fairly funny. Choose your poison. :D

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3411 - 21/09/2019 13:36:45    2238055

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Fingal - 296,020
South Dublin - 278,767
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018

Dublin City - 554,554. 184,851 designated to Dublin's 3 counties:
Fingal - 480,871
South Dublin - 463,618
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 402,869
Kildare - 222,504
Meath - 195,044
Wexford - 149,722

The 3 counties of Dublin designated a section of Dublin City each is the sustainable longterm solution. It will allow Dublin to embrace the provincial responsibilities that should come with the provincial funding they have received.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 21/09/2019 13:51:56    2238056

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It's done now. Five in a Row. Certain people are hurting now. Kerry have for many, many years now, a belief that they have a divine right to be the empire of Gaelic football on this Island. It was and is a lazy arrogance. How dare Tyrone challenge that in the noughties!!.. Sure that wasn't football, they moaned then each time Tyrone beat them.. If only they would play the game like us beatiful Kerry earthlings sure we'd have hammered ya out the gate.!!.. Then they beat Tyrone in a league game in Kerry and its raised fists and all that craic. Then along comes a team that they can't criticise of not playing football the "Kerry way" and they get beaten fair and square each time, that they then resort to all the other petty stuff that they are now engaging in. And when they beat Dublin in a league game earlier this year, as they did with Tyrone some years back its all raised fists again believing, like Brexiteers, that their days of Suppremacy and Empire are returning. That's the arrogance and that's why it hurts so much!!!!

Allgael (Dublin) - Posts: 13 - 21/09/2019 15:12:25    2238065

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry played in Ennis. That's fairness. Kerry won Munster without a game in Killarney.

5/8 of Kerry's championship games were in the backyard of their opponents.
1/8 of Kerry's championship games were in Killarney.
7/9 of Dublin's championship games were in Croke Park.
1/9 of Dublin's championship games were in the backyard of their opponents.

Will a county ever win 5 in-a-row away from home? Former Dublin players say the dogs on the street know their advantage of playing in Croker.

Congratulations on a good internal achievement for Dublin and winter well."
Again Waterford and limerick havnt won a Munster title in over 100 years , Tipp havnt won Munster title in over 80 years !! Wheres the fairness in that ? Away games against these teams doesn't matter a jot , and well you know it . You dont give a monkeys about fairness, Munster is totally messed up and always has been .Yes its an advantage for Dublin playing in Croke Park and it needs to be sorted
Congratulations on your Kerry babies reaching an ALL Ireland final , twas a good achievement for Kerry
Oh and winter well

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2017 - 21/09/2019 15:15:32    2238066

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Fingal - 296,020
South Dublin - 278,767
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018

Dublin City - 554,554. 184,851 designated to Dublin's 3 counties:
Fingal - 480,871
South Dublin - 463,618
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 402,869
Kildare - 222,504
Meath - 195,044
Wexford - 149,722

The 3 counties of Dublin designated a section of Dublin City each is the sustainable longterm solution. It will allow Dublin to embrace the provincial responsibilities that should come with the provincial funding they have received."
Once again, if this is about equality, what are your plans for underpopulated counties like Leitrim, Longford, Carlow, Fermanagh....? Diluting Dublin to give Kerry a better chance of competing with them is one thing but what of those counties whose population is a fraction of Kerry's?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4246 - 21/09/2019 15:43:41    2238070

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Fingal - 296,020
South Dublin - 278,767
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 218,018

Dublin City - 554,554. 184,851 designated to Dublin's 3 counties:
Fingal - 480,871
South Dublin - 463,618
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown - 402,869
Kildare - 222,504
Meath - 195,044
Wexford - 149,722

The 3 counties of Dublin designated a section of Dublin City each is the sustainable longterm solution. It will allow Dublin to embrace the provincial responsibilities that should come with the provincial funding they have received."
It's only a matter of time pal.

LimerickKid84 (Limerick) - Posts: 27 - 21/09/2019 16:00:38    2238074

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