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Congratulations to Dublin on what is a good achievement for them.

Limerick, Cork and Galway have had city and county councils. Dublin has 3 county councils and the capital city council. Dialogue needs to move in the direction of the 3 county sections of Dublin sharing a section of the city each. It will not happen overnight. It will probably have to happen after a three year period of three teams entering underage and possibly in the national league as well.

Sensible discussion is welcome. If people think this is a crackpot suggestion, please respectfully move on.

The suggestion:
North Dublin = Fingal County and a section of the city.
South Dublin = South Dublin County and a section of the city.
East Dublin or Mid Dublin = Dun Laoighaire-Rathdown and a section of the city.

May the capital winter well.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 17/09/2019 18:25:15    2236752

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Congratulations to Dublin on what is a good achievement for them.

Limerick, Cork and Galway have had city and county councils. Dublin has 3 county councils and the capital city council. Dialogue needs to move in the direction of the 3 county sections of Dublin sharing a section of the city each. It will not happen overnight. It will probably have to happen after a three year period of three teams entering underage and possibly in the national league as well.

Sensible discussion is welcome. If people think this is a crackpot suggestion, please respectfully move on.

The suggestion:
North Dublin = Fingal County and a section of the city.
South Dublin = South Dublin County and a section of the city.
East Dublin or Mid Dublin = Dun Laoighaire-Rathdown and a section of the city.

May the capital winter well."
You are not good enough to beat us so all of a sudden split us :):):):)

Jaysus they are hurting badly down in Kerry!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1577 - 18/09/2019 09:24:29    2236972

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Limerick have one council.

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1094 - 18/09/2019 10:20:06    2236983

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1. I think your post is a bit of a wind-up.

2. Splitting Dublin would only lead to All-Dublin Leinster and All-Ireland finals given that the 2 (or 3) sides would enjoy the exact same advantages as the current dublin side does. They'd still play all of their knockout games in their own county, they'd still get multiples of the funding any other county would get, etc.

Essentially, what you have now is the equivalent of Celtic vs the rest of the SPL.
If you split Dublin, in a few years it would just be the equivalent of Rangers returning to being competitive with Celtic.
You'd have 2 (or 3) teams winning everything instead of 1.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3895 - 18/09/2019 10:21:57    2236984

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The great traditionalists in Kerry will and would be hurting at this suggestion. A county who prides itself in being the aristrocrats of football, a county who fears nobody, who respects no other county and prides itself in taking on the best of any era. Has the great Kerry GAA in 2019 now accepted they cannot take on Dublin - especially Dublin who it's great past leaders loved battling with despite the difficulities. Maybe it's a sign of the times that Kerry don't want to work out the challenge they just want it to disappear - lets split the rival so Kerry can return to their "rightful place". A massive mentality split down in the Kingdom.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 605 - 18/09/2019 10:50:55    2236996

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How many other excuses can Kerry come up with.
They got the referee they wanted. Got a man sent off.
Got a penalty. Went ahead and bottled it big time the first day. Jaysus above the more you think about it the worse it gets. Great chance in 82 to do the 5 and bottled it also.
I dunno it's a bit worrying for them alright I suppose.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1490 - 18/09/2019 11:05:00    2237002

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People can get hyper all they like about this but reality is that the population growth in Dublin is a real issue for the GAA.....the size of the populace gives them a massive advantage now that they are properly organised and structured ( I accept with funding from Croke Park)...... reality is GAA needs to keep the association strong in Dublin as almost a third of the population of the 26 counties lives there ( 25% of the whole island), we can't simply surrender that population to our competitors in the name of evening the playing field but rather find other ways to do that

One of those is certainly to look at splitting the county, that may sound like heresy to some but times change and so must the association .......if we are debating changing the provincial structures and championships why should the county structures be any different......Dublin already has more than one council so there is no reason why we shouldn't be looking to do something similar in the GAA

Certainly the almost cation of funding needs to be examined but that should be on a ratio relative to playing numbers/playing potential however that won't address the core issue moving forward which is the size and reach of Dublins population in both numerical and indeed financial terms ( most major companies based there etc)

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 726 - 18/09/2019 11:30:31    2237025

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If you split Dublin, in a few years it would just be the equivalent of Rangers returning to being competitive with Celtic.

But the current Rangers are only 7 years old and have never been competitive with Celtic since they were formed so therefore cannot return to being competitive.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3979 - 18/09/2019 11:42:41    2237030

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "People can get hyper all they like about this but reality is that the population growth in Dublin is a real issue for the GAA.....the size of the populace gives them a massive advantage now that they are properly organised and structured ( I accept with funding from Croke Park)...... reality is GAA needs to keep the association strong in Dublin as almost a third of the population of the 26 counties lives there ( 25% of the whole island), we can't simply surrender that population to our competitors in the name of evening the playing field but rather find other ways to do that

One of those is certainly to look at splitting the county, that may sound like heresy to some but times change and so must the association .......if we are debating changing the provincial structures and championships why should the county structures be any different......Dublin already has more than one council so there is no reason why we shouldn't be looking to do something similar in the GAA

Certainly the almost cation of funding needs to be examined but that should be on a ratio relative to playing numbers/playing potential however that won't address the core issue moving forward which is the size and reach of Dublins population in both numerical and indeed financial terms ( most major companies based there etc)"
But please don't lose sight of the obvious. On Prime time Na Fianna pointed out they 3000+ players they have 1 games promotion officer. This GPO doesn't give personal training to Johnny Cooper and Eoin Murchan he runs a nursery of 500+ he goes into 10 schools of all ages and sex and gets hundreds involved in GAA sports those 10 schools have a potential playing pop of 10,000. So what's the answer? Don't send someone into schools let the kids play other sports? Just so Leitrim can keep score down in 10 years? Mad arguments

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 18/09/2019 11:45:57    2237033

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Also you could make them field 11 a side teams while their at it.....

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 930 - 18/09/2019 11:46:33    2237035

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "People can get hyper all they like about this but reality is that the population growth in Dublin is a real issue for the GAA.....the size of the populace gives them a massive advantage now that they are properly organised and structured ( I accept with funding from Croke Park)...... reality is GAA needs to keep the association strong in Dublin as almost a third of the population of the 26 counties lives there ( 25% of the whole island), we can't simply surrender that population to our competitors in the name of evening the playing field but rather find other ways to do that

One of those is certainly to look at splitting the county, that may sound like heresy to some but times change and so must the association .......if we are debating changing the provincial structures and championships why should the county structures be any different......Dublin already has more than one council so there is no reason why we shouldn't be looking to do something similar in the GAA

Certainly the almost cation of funding needs to be examined but that should be on a ratio relative to playing numbers/playing potential however that won't address the core issue moving forward which is the size and reach of Dublins population in both numerical and indeed financial terms ( most major companies based there etc)"
The GAA has to exist in Dublin - Dublin are a huge and very powerful brand. The thousands you see at the games obviously want to see Dublin succeed but there is a much smaller, tight knitted GAA community proud of their history and tradition. There is no way they'll allow Dublin to be split, it's a can of worms the GAA cannot open. We have seen clubs split from county boards previously and refuse to compete in their competitons. I'd envisage if the GAA went down the road of splitting Dublin there'd be the real possibility of Dublin refusing to enter inter county teams into Leinster or Central council competitions and instead run their own club scene until such times the issue was resolved. Dublin's growth is a problem and the GAA pay enough wages to good people to think of a solution - splitting the county is a politically sensitive move in a sporting context they just cannot even consider. As I mentioned elsewhere proposing a secondary competition is the GAA's first move in my opinion to try and help ensure the stronger counties are guaranteed entry to the latter stages of a sighnificantly increased marketing competition.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 605 - 18/09/2019 11:59:34    2237043

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Replying To catch22:  "How many other excuses can Kerry come up with.
They got the referee they wanted. Got a man sent off.
Got a penalty. Went ahead and bottled it big time the first day. Jaysus above the more you think about it the worse it gets. Great chance in 82 to do the 5 and bottled it also.
I dunno it's a bit worrying for them alright I suppose."
And you're HATRED of Kerry is getting worse by the day lol.

GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 123 - 18/09/2019 12:00:05    2237044

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The GAA has to exist in Dublin - Dublin are a huge and very powerful brand. The thousands you see at the games obviously want to see Dublin succeed but there is a much smaller, tight knitted GAA community proud of their history and tradition. There is no way they'll allow Dublin to be split, it's a can of worms the GAA cannot open. We have seen clubs split from county boards previously and refuse to compete in their competitons. I'd envisage if the GAA went down the road of splitting Dublin there'd be the real possibility of Dublin refusing to enter inter county teams into Leinster or Central council competitions and instead run their own club scene until such times the issue was resolved. Dublin's growth is a problem and the GAA pay enough wages to good people to think of a solution - splitting the county is a politically sensitive move in a sporting context they just cannot even consider. As I mentioned elsewhere proposing a secondary competition is the GAA's first move in my opinion to try and help ensure the stronger counties are guaranteed entry to the latter stages of a sighnificantly increased marketing competition.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 484 - 18/09/2019 11:59:34


You're right, splitting Dublin into 2/3/4 or whatever will just lead to no Dublin team at all in the All-Ireland Championship until such a time as we would be readmitted or a new generation or two of country people coming to Dublin and raise their kids to support whatever these new teams would be called.

It'd be a long, long time until you'd see two Dublin teams in a Leinster Final in anyways.

I suspect that those calling for the split know this and are actually pretty happy for that to happen.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13047 - 18/09/2019 12:20:52    2237057

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Confusing title. I thought this thread was going to be about the trinity of John Costello, John Horan and Paul Flynn who ensure everything runs smoothly for the Dubs.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 18/09/2019 12:27:32    2237061

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In 3 seems to be the fairest split. It does not seek to cut off the funding. It embraces what Dublin have been allowed to do and moves forward in the direction of a modern Ireland.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 18/09/2019 12:28:14    2237062

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Replying To GreenAndGold74:  "And you're HATRED of Kerry is getting worse by the day lol."
On the contrary , sure not at all.
It's more the begrudgery element that's the real problem in some Kerry voices. Telling anyone they can about the great achievements they have and sure a lot of them were cake walk AI"s and no word about it.
Tied up badly though when the gun was put to their head for sure.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1490 - 18/09/2019 12:42:30    2237068

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Replying To arock:  "But please don't lose sight of the obvious. On Prime time Na Fianna pointed out they 3000+ players they have 1 games promotion officer. This GPO doesn't give personal training to Johnny Cooper and Eoin Murchan he runs a nursery of 500+ he goes into 10 schools of all ages and sex and gets hundreds involved in GAA sports those 10 schools have a potential playing pop of 10,000. So what's the answer? Don't send someone into schools let the kids play other sports? Just so Leitrim can keep score down in 10 years? Mad arguments"
Where did I say anywhere about cutting funding, get off your high horse. Of course the GAA needs to fund and compete in the capital city and its suburbs which it has rightly done but that doesn't take away from the fact that now Dublin is well organised and funded that we don't need to look at structures to ensure we maximise on playing numbers but also the competitiveness of the games.....even the fact you are quoting Na Fianna with 3000+ members, tears madness as that should be 2/3 clubs not a single superclub and therein lies one if the problems

All this nonsense about Dublin boycotting the all Ireland if they were split in two is simply that, nonsense ......wouldn't not be better to create proper competitive conditions or do you simply seek to have a numerical and as a consequence financial advantage over everyone else.....change will be coming whether people like it or not as urban growth and rural depopulation needs to be faced into by the GAA, ultimately that will mean structural change whether people like it or not.......

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 726 - 18/09/2019 12:53:30    2237077

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A rival doesn't like losing to a rival. Where's the surprise there? My experience is of Dubs being respectful in defeat and victory.

Any split in Dublin has to be respectfully discussed. It's key for the future sustainability of the game.

Sure many might not like all Dublin provincial finals or All-Ireland finals. It will be a fairer playing field however.

Example of a 16 team All-Ireland Championship:
1. Mayo, Mid Dublin, Cavan, Armagh.
2. Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Cork.
3. Kerry, South Dublin, Roscommon, Kildare.
4. North Dublin, Monaghan, Donegal, Westmeath.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 18/09/2019 13:12:36    2237094

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Why does Dublin have to be split? Why don't all other teams amalgamate as a province to be one team. So you have the 3 provinces, Dublin and Leinster (excluding Dublin). Guarantee of more competitive games and levels the playing field in terms of population.
I don't understand why people continue to bemoan the population advantage and think that splitting Dublin in 2/3/4 would help. You need to split Dublin in 10 before they come close to population size equal to the lowest county population.
Why does the 'level playing field' argument, for so many, start and end with splitting Dublin? If Dublin were split would Louth and Wicklows chances of winning Leinster increase dramatically? Would Leitrim be licking their lips that day and say "now we've got a chance"?

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 18/09/2019 13:31:57    2237106

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If there's the funding and population of a province it can't act as a county

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 18/09/2019 13:52:07    2237117

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