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Some Updates On The Football Review

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Forward mark was never a great idea, even worse now"
Agtee Sligo.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3956 - 22/05/2025 20:53:36    2611804

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Kildare scoring 0-36 in a football match just shows how ridiculous some of these new rules are… Teams are no longer interested in trying to score goals… The 2 point score should be ditched immediately to bring back more action near the small square… Teams will soon not need a goalkeeper at all…"
Loads of goals again today under new rules, you count them LOL

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 921 - 24/05/2025 22:34:10    2612230

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I agree with no backpass over halfway - but I saw a lot of Louth taking the ball back over the attacking 45 in the Leinster Final as well, especially when killing the clock.

Maybe a softer restriction at the 45 - when the ball goes back, it needs to return beyond the 45 within 15 seconds (unscientific, ref penalises only when it looks blatant).

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3280 - 25/05/2025 17:58:55    2612467

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Football is in a good place at the moment. Been more entertaining than most of the hurling. Even a lame duck 3 advancing from 4 han't disrupted the positivity too much.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8893 - 25/05/2025 21:12:28    2612533

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Great entertainment this weekend in 3 of the 4 football games.
Meanwhile hurling getting worse with some awful refeering decisions ( or non decisions) being the main topic of discussion on the Sunday Game.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2379 - 25/05/2025 22:27:44    2612553

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Football is in a good place at the moment. Been more entertaining than most of the hurling. Even a lame duck 3 advancing from 4 han't disrupted the positivity too much."
I doubt there be any more than one lame duck game in the football round robin this year. Only two in each of the last two years. We have a wonderful system and it will be a shame if they dispense of it after this year, for the very unbalanced system that is proposed. What a couple of weekends of football we have had already with two more to come.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 582 - 26/05/2025 01:25:37    2612575

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "I doubt there be any more than one lame duck game in the football round robin this year. Only two in each of the last two years. We have a wonderful system and it will be a shame if they dispense of it after this year, for the very unbalanced system that is proposed. What a couple of weekends of football we have had already with two more to come."
3 from 4 is still a terrible system. 4 scrambling for 2 places grabs attention. Croke Park have thrown the baby out with the bathwater in scrapping the group stage entirely.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8893 - 26/05/2025 09:23:08    2612607

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Replying To legendzxix:  "3 from 4 is still a terrible system. 4 scrambling for 2 places grabs attention. Croke Park have thrown the baby out with the bathwater in scrapping the group stage entirely."
It was Congress who threw it out by over 90%.
Albeit after a "jeopardy" campaign by Jeopardy Jarlath, Croke Park and the media this time last year.
Highly unlikely any pressure will mount to keep the current system or bring a motion to the special Congress to keep it with or without tweaks.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2379 - 26/05/2025 09:37:32    2612611

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "It was Congress who threw it out by over 90%.
Albeit after a "jeopardy" campaign by Jeopardy Jarlath, Croke Park and the media this time last year.
Highly unlikely any pressure will mount to keep the current system or bring a motion to the special Congress to keep it with or without tweaks."
They could save face by getting a county board or anyone to submit a motion to apply the double eliminator format in group stage format. All you need is:
1. 2 home games for provincial finalists.
2. Only the top 2 advancing from the groups.
3. Round 1 winners playing in Round 2.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8893 - 26/05/2025 10:19:00    2612640

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Replying To omahant:  "I agree with no backpass over halfway - but I saw a lot of Louth taking the ball back over the attacking 45 in the Leinster Final as well, especially when killing the clock.

Maybe a softer restriction at the 45 - when the ball goes back, it needs to return beyond the 45 within 15 seconds (unscientific, ref penalises only when it looks blatant)."
Thats the last thing anyone needs - a rule that the ref can implement fully at his own discretion!

We are only just after getting rid of the refs ability to decide how much extra time he feels like playing, allowing a free taker grab another 10 yards and making them implement the 4 steps rule.

Most refs still ref the tackle to a unknown set of rules - despite it being written down in black and white. The term "letting the game flow" means allowing a lot of fouling go on.

I wouldnt entertain any rule that can't be fully written down and implemented without interpretation.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1426 - 26/05/2025 15:03:14    2612780

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Thats the last thing anyone needs - a rule that the ref can implement fully at his own discretion!

We are only just after getting rid of the refs ability to decide how much extra time he feels like playing, allowing a free taker grab another 10 yards and making them implement the 4 steps rule.

Most refs still ref the tackle to a unknown set of rules - despite it being written down in black and white. The term "letting the game flow" means allowing a lot of fouling go on.

I wouldnt entertain any rule that can't be fully written down and implemented without interpretation."
Thats a great post Tirawley and I agree.
Giving the refs too much discretion will mean diffferent resulrs depending on gow strong or soft a ref is.

"Letting the game flow".Again you are correct in that it means turning a blind eye to alot of fouling.This happens regularly in the hurling.Pushing shoving jersey pulling is very rarely pulled around the middle of the pitch but if its in near goal it is.

Alot of the hurling pundits give the refs so much praise for "letting the game flow" that they know they will be praised for not stopping play hence letting multiple fouls go.

Either change the rules or else a foul us a foul. You are dead right Tirawley.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3956 - 27/05/2025 11:47:29    2613002

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Thats the last thing anyone needs - a rule that the ref can implement fully at his own discretion!

We are only just after getting rid of the refs ability to decide how much extra time he feels like playing, allowing a free taker grab another 10 yards and making them implement the 4 steps rule.

Most refs still ref the tackle to a unknown set of rules - despite it being written down in black and white. The term "letting the game flow" means allowing a lot of fouling go on.

I wouldnt entertain any rule that can't be fully written down and implemented without interpretation."
Thats a great post Tirawley and I agree.
Giving the refs too much discretion will mean diffferent resulrs depending on gow strong or soft a ref is.

"Letting the game flow".Again you are correct in that it means turning a blind eye to alot of fouling.This happens regularly in the hurling.Pushing shoving jersey pulling is very rarely pulled around the middle of the pitch but if its in near goal it is.

Alot of the hurling pundits give the refs so much praise for "letting the game flow" that they know they will be praised for not stopping play hence letting multiple fouls go.

Either change the rules or else a foul us a foul. You are dead right Tirawley.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3956 - 27/05/2025 12:00:56    2613008

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Thats the last thing anyone needs - a rule that the ref can implement fully at his own discretion!

We are only just after getting rid of the refs ability to decide how much extra time he feels like playing, allowing a free taker grab another 10 yards and making them implement the 4 steps rule.

Most refs still ref the tackle to a unknown set of rules - despite it being written down in black and white. The term "letting the game flow" means allowing a lot of fouling go on.

I wouldnt entertain any rule that can't be fully written down and implemented without interpretation."
That's a recipe for "keep ball" short of a shot clock, which I think is impractical. An unscientific solution is better than none. Some mechanism needed for "forward progress" (like US NFL) should accompany killing the clock.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3280 - 28/05/2025 16:38:25    2613281

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Replying To omahant:  "That's a recipe for "keep ball" short of a shot clock, which I think is impractical. An unscientific solution is better than none. Some mechanism needed for "forward progress" (like US NFL) should accompany killing the clock."
"An unscientific solution is better than none" you say!, I don't agree. A perceived problem with a small amount of keep ball being "solved" with an unspecified rule to be guaged as the referee sees fit. A case I believe of the cure being worse than the disease.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 921 - 28/05/2025 17:50:53    2613301

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Replying To sligo joe:  ""An unscientific solution is better than none" you say!, I don't agree. A perceived problem with a small amount of keep ball being "solved" with an unspecified rule to be guaged as the referee sees fit. A case I believe of the cure being worse than the disease."
"unspecified" being insufficient progress within a time interval.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3280 - 28/05/2025 20:42:36    2613332

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What's the story with County boards being unable to provide s proper hooter. Surely it can't be that hard to obtain an air horn.

Mayo v Cavan didn't even have one.

For the love of God, is it that hard!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1925 - 28/05/2025 21:38:13    2613337

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Replying To omahant:  "That's a recipe for "keep ball" short of a shot clock, which I think is impractical. An unscientific solution is better than none. Some mechanism needed for "forward progress" (like US NFL) should accompany killing the clock."
Jeasus help us… now we want to copy the American Football…. Why not just do away with Gaelic football altogether and be done with it….. It's nearly gone as it is with this nonsensical copying of other sports..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4011 - 29/05/2025 07:13:46    2613355

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Replying To Mayonman:  "What's the story with County boards being unable to provide s proper hooter. Surely it can't be that hard to obtain an air horn.

Mayo v Cavan didn't even have one.

For the love of God, is it that hard!"
They could borrow them from the LGFA who seem to have no problem getting hooters.

If you want something done right ask a woman.....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2379 - 29/05/2025 09:35:43    2613374

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "They could borrow them from the LGFA who seem to have no problem getting hooters.

If you want something done right ask a woman....."
Lol …. You are right there Sean

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4011 - 29/05/2025 12:27:05    2613418

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Jeasus help us… now we want to copy the American Football…. Why not just do away with Gaelic football altogether and be done with it….. It's nearly gone as it is with this nonsensical copying of other sports..!"
Have you quit your rant about no goals under the new rules, 12 goals again last weekend in 4 games LOL.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 921 - 29/05/2025 12:28:41    2613419

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