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Mixed performances today but all in all when it mattered monaghan were the better side down very disciplined coughing up no handy frees but down were spent come the 60 minute and monaghan played like a div 1 team after that the goal and 2 points without reply sucked the life out of down time to rest up now and put in 1 or 2 massive performances to get there it's in for sure muineachain Abu Farneyblueandwhite (Monaghan) - Posts: 92 - 15/06/2025 17:53:54 2617781 Link
Jack MC Carron's dodgy goal wasn't the difference today, Jack MC Carron's introduction was the difference today. Two good teams going at it, both will be disappointed with their defensive efforts, with that in mind an extra game might do Down no harm to iron out defensive issues, if they can avoid Galway in the draw The average score per team the over the weekend was around 20 points, so that has to be the measure, we have to trim our defensive effort by 10 or so. This must start with our long kick out strategy, which was weak today especially first half. onwards and upwards with Plenty to work on mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1069 - 15/06/2025 18:25:51 2617800 Link
Mohan's presence was a huge loss around the middle today, definitely accounted for a few of those kickouts we lost and just general physical contests around the middle. Hopefully be fine for the quarter final patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 942 - 15/06/2025 19:23:38 2617818 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "Your comments embarrassing. Where we the better team? Debatable …." We are going to win our 1/4 regardless who we draw. There is no 2 ways about this. We were patchy today, Down missed chances as did we, but we could have won by more. We were never losing that game farneygael3 (Monaghan) - Posts: 241 - 15/06/2025 20:13:09 2617863 Link
Said at start of the year that if these monaghan players got their heads right after last year they'd be OK this year as the ability is there we have the tools. This was against the backdrop of predictions of relegation to div 3 and tailtenn cup etc. These lads have worn the shirt off their backs this year for monaghan football and along with management deserve huge credit for getting monaghan back to the last eight of the all ireland. We'd lost that game last year but despite a lot of things going against us today the heads didn't drop. The impact of the bench was crucial. Louis Kelly is a player who made a massive impact . Jack McCarron conducted the forwards when he came in. Davie Garland brought plenty of bite and a great point at a crucial stage. When the game was in the melting pot we should have had three goals and went for it showing our teeth as all good sides do. Gary Mohans absence meant down got a foothold in midfield but we battled hard and gradually got our own game going managing the game really well in the finish. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1896 - 15/06/2025 21:34:24 2617907 Link
Gary Mohan definitely would have made the difference today one handed attempts at catching a ball in midfield is dire to watch , not following back quick enough was very slack , change the midfield and we can go further. Not fair on forwards trying to do their best and being let down by midfield. stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 239 - 15/06/2025 22:07:04 2617927 Link
Replying To stoneygrey: "Gary Mohan definitely would have made the difference today one handed attempts at catching a ball in midfield is dire to watch , not following back quick enough was very slack , change the midfield and we can go further. Not fair on forwards trying to do their best and being let down by midfield." So who plays in midfield ? for me this is our year in that compared to any monaghan team of the past is that we have serious forwards in the 80s we had nudie eamon mcaneaney and mccarron in the 05 to 10 we had T freeman and jap and in the 13 to 24 we had manzie Jack and beggan but now we have Mccarthy o hanlon mccarron bannigan ward beggan and at least 8 scores from other players per game which is hard for any team to nail down its the stuff of a team that's moving from a top 6 to top 3 in my book it's the first time monaghan have a real tilt at an all ireland experts will say to win a provincial you need 2 good forwards to win an all ireland you need 4 and wee have it so get behind them and give them every chance yes there's mistakes yes there's players not playing 100%but my god it's exciting we need to get there because for a team that's in div 1 for 10 years we are the only ones to not get to an all ireland and the only team in div 1 in ten years to not win silverware so as much as wee back slap ourselves about been div 1 team we need to push on and take 1 or 2 massive scalps to get there and we are well placed to do it rip up croke Park with our pace and precision and say this is our time Farneyblueandwhite (Monaghan) - Posts: 92 - 15/06/2025 22:58:51 2617960 Link
Replying To stoneygrey: "Gary Mohan definitely would have made the difference today one handed attempts at catching a ball in midfield is dire to watch , not following back quick enough was very slack , change the midfield and we can go further. Not fair on forwards trying to do their best and being let down by midfield." Cop on lad. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 615 - 15/06/2025 23:35:12 2617980 Link
2 fowards won't get us an all Ireland, neither will 5, our weakest link is midfield, if we had a midfield today we would have won a lot easier, 90% of kickouts target midfield, short kickouts are second option. We are not far away . 2 weeks to get this sorted stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 239 - 15/06/2025 23:50:49 2617989 Link
Regarding the kickouts... there is a lot of work needed.. McCarvile was too isolated yesterday.. when the ball was kicked to him and he had one man up with him and 2 Down men on the ground , he was in a no win situation. He had to get a clean catch or nothing.. any broken ball from him was won by Down, our lads were far to far away from him. Rory is having a great season with his shot stopping and play out the field, the one area he needs work on is responding to lads on the break for his kickout, some times there is a player running into space ahead of their marker and he doesn't hit them quick enough and next thing they are covered and the opportunity is missed.. I know there is bluffs in play to open up other space, but when you are losing midfield further out then these chances need to be taken to keep possession. He just needs to be sharper. Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 816 - 16/06/2025 09:33:05 2618070 Link
Replying To stoneygrey: "2 fowards won't get us an all Ireland, neither will 5, our weakest link is midfield, if we had a midfield today we would have won a lot easier, 90% of kickouts target midfield, short kickouts are second option. We are not far away . 2 weeks to get this sorted" WIth Gary Mohan in the team, we are a different team. I'd be more worried about our full-back line than our midfield. Not sure some of the lads have the legs for the top attacking teams. SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 16/06/2025 09:41:53 2618078 Link
There is no doubt that a strong midfield is needed and Mohan was a huge miss. I thought McCarville did well again yesterday and he's taken his chance. I was slightly surprised McPhillips didn't start, given that he had a good run out in the league and is a big presence. The only other thing I would think is that McBennett looked well able for this level of football last year and hasn't got much of a look in at all yet. More worryingly it looked to me that Lavelle isn't really fit and seems to be carrying his right arm. I wonder would he have started if Mohan was fit. All teams are going to struggle with injury as the games are starting to come quickly now so maybe McBennett's time will come. Overall it was a good win in a very tight game but the defence was fairly easily run through. That is going to tell at some stage. PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 196 - 16/06/2025 10:10:32 2618095 Link
Replying To PolicemanFox: "There is no doubt that a strong midfield is needed and Mohan was a huge miss. I thought McCarville did well again yesterday and he's taken his chance. I was slightly surprised McPhillips didn't start, given that he had a good run out in the league and is a big presence. The only other thing I would think is that McBennett looked well able for this level of football last year and hasn't got much of a look in at all yet. More worryingly it looked to me that Lavelle isn't really fit and seems to be carrying his right arm. I wonder would he have started if Mohan was fit. All teams are going to struggle with injury as the games are starting to come quickly now so maybe McBennett's time will come. Overall it was a good win in a very tight game but the defence was fairly easily run through. That is going to tell at some stage." We've been extremely aggressive with the press and going man to man in these recent games, where we backed ourselves to win straight shootouts. If be surprised if we didn't tweak things a bit when we are back playing a Division 1 side. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 942 - 16/06/2025 10:37:09 2618114 Link
Replying To patk: "We've been extremely aggressive with the press and going man to man in these recent games, where we backed ourselves to win straight shootouts. If be surprised if we didn't tweak things a bit when we are back playing a Division 1 side." For sure we will need to be more conservative against the top teams, horses for courses and all that, but the aggressive approach is great entertainment. I haven't enjoyed watching a Monaghan team as much in years. To paraphrase a well known Premiership Manager its Heavy Metal Gaelic Football. Thats said its not great for the heart, I had to take off the smart watch with 15 minutes to go yesterday, it was about to explode with Relax Reminders. TheHunter (Monaghan) - Posts: 19 - 16/06/2025 11:20:20 2618151 Link
Happy with the win. Job done, group topped (even if it was a bit soft) new rules really suit our pace and running power, it reminds of 2007 in terms of how powerful and efficient are forward line and scoring has been. We have a lot of threats and lads are playing out of their skin. Monaghan football is in a really good place. I will however say playing a division 1 side may still be an uphill struggle in croke park. Midfield is very patchy and Down got alot of joy there yesterday for 50 minutes or so. A kerry Galway or dublin and a potential rematch with donegal would really test us there. Defence is also not great but most teams are conceding heavily, can't be to hard on them but we do look open at times. I'm optimistic but I don't know if we have enough in us to overcome a QF when we meet the big boys. 222 (UK) - Posts: 862 - 16/06/2025 11:46:39 2618169 Link
Replying To 222: "Happy with the win. Job done, group topped (even if it was a bit soft) new rules really suit our pace and running power, it reminds of 2007 in terms of how powerful and efficient are forward line and scoring has been. We have a lot of threats and lads are playing out of their skin. Monaghan football is in a really good place. I will however say playing a division 1 side may still be an uphill struggle in croke park. Midfield is very patchy and Down got alot of joy there yesterday for 50 minutes or so. A kerry Galway or dublin and a potential rematch with donegal would really test us there. Defence is also not great but most teams are conceding heavily, can't be to hard on them but we do look open at times. I'm optimistic but I don't know if we have enough in us to overcome a QF when we meet the big boys." of course we have enough..! have some faith. So most likely, Monaghan will play either Dublin, Donegal or Galway in the quarter final, although Cork will test Dublin and Down will also give Galway a good test. Of these three teams, I'd love for Monaghan to get the Dubs, it'd be some game. We need to continue with our "shoot out" approach to games, why change now.! and look to improve on getting primary posession at mid-field. We really need to work hard on our kickouts in next two weeks. Beggan needs to be quicker and get a lot more shorter ones away so we at least we win the jvast majority of our own kick-outs. Having Gary Mohan back for the quarter final will be a massive boost too, he was really missed yesterday. Monaghan Abu!! SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 166 - 16/06/2025 12:21:01 2618194 Link
We can nit pick all day long over yesterday's game but for me yesterday's win was probably one of the most important for years. 3 straight wins, top of of the group, 2 weeks rest until a quarter final. Where that puts the team psychologically is massive., hard to beat a team when they have the winning mentality. Blackcardnot (USA) - Posts: 52 - 16/06/2025 15:13:17 2618350 Link
Replying To 222: "Happy with the win. Job done, group topped (even if it was a bit soft) new rules really suit our pace and running power, it reminds of 2007 in terms of how powerful and efficient are forward line and scoring has been. We have a lot of threats and lads are playing out of their skin. Monaghan football is in a really good place. I will however say playing a division 1 side may still be an uphill struggle in croke park. Midfield is very patchy and Down got alot of joy there yesterday for 50 minutes or so. A kerry Galway or dublin and a potential rematch with donegal would really test us there. Defence is also not great but most teams are conceding heavily, can't be to hard on them but we do look open at times. I'm optimistic but I don't know if we have enough in us to overcome a QF when we meet the big boys." I agree with you, and that is only to be expected from a team in transition. Having said that Monaghan football is in a good place and we can go to Croke Park knowing that we will give any of the big boys a run for their money. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 615 - 16/06/2025 15:46:39 2618375 Link
In fairness the backs dug deep for some great defending in the last 10 minutes, if the goals had went in we would have been out of sight around the 60minute mark. The pace of the game was as intense as any game could be, we probably will have the legs to stay with the bigger teams.Monaghan definitely won't fear anyone in Croke Park stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 239 - 16/06/2025 16:07:30 2618397 Link