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Replying To dave1988: "We looked very similar to the Monaghan game in the league. Before Monaghan game media and ourselves were building us up so much and we lost 3 in a row but we played better against mayo and Kerry. This week everyone was saying we would win by more than 4 including myself and maybe the players took their eye off the challenge Kildare were going to give us and it really cost us yesterday. I'm hoping that's why we didn't have that intensity yesterday and our forwards didnt play well. But we have a chance to put it right and it's up to the players now to do that." A bit similar alright to the Monaghan game. Hopefully it was a combination of maybe taking the eye off the ball and it being a do or die clash for Kildare. It's knock out now so hopefully the team can rise to that!
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Not sure if I agree with all the discussion about the fitness of the Roscommon team. In my opinion, up to yesterday S&C was one of our strengths all year. It was one of the main reasons why we won many of our league matches in the second half, beat Mayo in the championship, and also put it up to Dublin. Some of the players who played very well in those games were burning diesel early yesterday and the team seemed to me, to lack energy for the first time all year, and were somewhat conservative in their approach.
Not sure what was the reason but you have to give Kildare a lot of credit. Maybe the fact that we were playing Kildare, we were over coached or perhaps the teams who put a lot of effort into the league are finding the going tougher now. It is interesting to note that the three top teams in division one; Mayo, Galway and Roscommon were all beaten yesterday, while Dublin and Kerry are just clicking into gear.
Rest is very important at this time of year, and while our lads are cramping up in the back of cars while travelling back from training, the Dubs are getting a sleep in their beds or getting a massage from the AIG sponsor's. I believe that during COVID, when a lot of players worked from home, had an impact of teams performances, and allowed teams such as Kerry and Tyrone to compete better with Dublin as it was a more level playing pitch.
However, the Dublin team would have to be acknowledged as the best team of all time. (Even with several major advantages; playing population, playing in Croke Park, serious sponsorship, number of full time coaches, not having to travel long distances to training and sometimes training before work to improve family life, better work/life/training balance etc etc).
If I were to give Davy Burke one piece of advice ( what would I know?) it would be to back off the heavy physical training this week and concentrate on the psychological aspects with individual players, which I believe he is good at, and perhaps play a little bit more adventurous next weekend. We still have some very good players who have proven themselves several times this year already. We should not write off Roscommon's chances in a game we could well have won, and lost by only a point while playing poorly against a rejuvenated Kildare team.
I hope to see a different team performance next weekend against Cork and I think that it is going to be a cracking game with the Rossies to win a tight contest. Looking forward hopefully to a good weekend by the Lee.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 731 - 19/06/2023 15:38:10
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Not sure if I agree with all the discussion about the fitness of the Roscommon team. In my opinion, up to yesterday S&C was one of our strengths all year. It was one of the main reasons why we won many of our league matches in the second half, beat Mayo in the championship, and also put it up to Dublin. Some of the players who played very well in those games were burning diesel early yesterday and the team seemed to me, to lack energy for the first time all year, and were somewhat conservative in their approach.
Not sure what was the reason but you have to give Kildare a lot of credit. Maybe the fact that we were playing Kildare, we were over coached or perhaps the teams who put a lot of effort into the league are finding the going tougher now. It is interesting to note that the three top teams in division one; Mayo, Galway and Roscommon were all beaten yesterday, while Dublin and Kerry are just clicking into gear.
Rest is very important at this time of year, and while our lads are cramping up in the back of cars while travelling back from training, the Dubs are getting a sleep in their beds or getting a massage from the AIG sponsor's. I believe that during COVID, when a lot of players worked from home, had an impact of teams performances, and allowed teams such as Kerry and Tyrone to compete better with Dublin as it was a more level playing pitch.
However, the Dublin team would have to be acknowledged as the best team of all time. (Even with several major advantages; playing population, playing in Croke Park, serious sponsorship, number of full time coaches, not having to travel long distances to training and sometimes training before work to improve family life, better work/life/training balance etc etc).
If I were to give Davy Burke one piece of advice ( what would I know?) it would be to back off the heavy physical training this week and concentrate on the psychological aspects with individual players, which I believe he is good at, and perhaps play a little bit more adventurous next weekend. We still have some very good players who have proven themselves several times this year already. We should not write off Roscommon's chances in a game we could well have won, and lost by only a point while playing poorly against a rejuvenated Kildare team.
I hope to see a different team performance next weekend against Cork and I think that it is going to be a cracking game with the Rossies to win a tight contest. Looking forward hopefully to a good weekend by the Lee." RTE have the Cork game down for 14.00pm this Saturday in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. At least it is not a late evening fixture. 3 games are on Saturday while the Galway v Mayo game seemed to be on Sunday.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 731 - 19/06/2023 16:08:26
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "I completely get that but how are Derry able to get it right? They went full tilt for the league, no break even for the Glen lads, full tilt again for the championship which included a tough Ulster campaign (extra time and penos in the final) and have one of the smallest panels out of the top ten sides. They only got back into Div 2 last year. Roscommon have been up and down to Div 1 since 2017-2016, the Super 8s showed up our frailties which included fitness and conditioning, that's 7 years ago now. I don't doubt that not having a COE isn't helping but Mayo don't either and they are one of the best conditioned and fittest teams in the country. At this stage I find it hard to understand how we are still behind on the fitness front." Mayo are professionally ran ever since a culture change by Horan in the winter of 2010. Management teams then and now one of the most stocked and expensive, this winter they did hard training in the winter in the Connacht GAA centre and were ahead of every other team on fitness in the league. Derry needed to drop to Div 4 to get their act together and Owenbeg is one of the top of the range training centres. Rory Gallagher had Derry as fit and conditioned as Donegal was in 2011 to 2014. To have teams in that shape does not come cheap.
Fit for consecutive league games is one thing but fit and conditioned for championship football is different level altogether, The schedule we have would be tough going for the fitter teams and if we are lucky enough to win on Saturday we are out again the following weekend that would be 3 matches in 14 day and up against one of Kerry,Armagh or Derry who will be rested.
Main focus needs to be on trying to win on Saturday as for me reaching the last 8 will represent a good first year under Davy Burke and his management. A loss and the usual criticism will be thrown at us until the 2024 campaign commences the league progress and 3rd place finish plus good championship performances against top ranking teams in Mayo and Dublin will be mainly ignored by most of the non rossies and some rossies who love to be critical.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4043 - 19/06/2023 17:29:31
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Replying To worple: "Why do we rarely win the throw-in? The Kildare man won it yesterday unchallenged. Maybe a small thing but it does seem to set the scene" That "Kildare man" is one of the best fielders of a ball in the country
LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 120 - 19/06/2023 17:42:56
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "RTE have the Cork game down for 14.00pm this Saturday in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. At least it is not a late evening fixture. 3 games are on Saturday while the Galway v Mayo game seemed to be on Sunday." Sensible decision to put the Cork-Roscommon game at 2pm. Gives the Rossie supporters a chance to get home at a reasonable hour. Presumably the reason the Galway-Mayo game is on Sunday is because Galway hurlers are playing on Saturday.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 603 - 19/06/2023 17:43:05
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Replying To The_analyser: "Mayo are professionally ran ever since a culture change by Horan in the winter of 2010. Management teams then and now one of the most stocked and expensive, this winter they did hard training in the winter in the Connacht GAA centre and were ahead of every other team on fitness in the league. Derry needed to drop to Div 4 to get their act together and Owenbeg is one of the top of the range training centres. Rory Gallagher had Derry as fit and conditioned as Donegal was in 2011 to 2014. To have teams in that shape does not come cheap.
Fit for consecutive league games is one thing but fit and conditioned for championship football is different level altogether, The schedule we have would be tough going for the fitter teams and if we are lucky enough to win on Saturday we are out again the following weekend that would be 3 matches in 14 day and up against one of Kerry,Armagh or Derry who will be rested.
Main focus needs to be on trying to win on Saturday as for me reaching the last 8 will represent a good first year under Davy Burke and his management. A loss and the usual criticism will be thrown at us until the 2024 campaign commences the league progress and 3rd place finish plus good championship performances against top ranking teams in Mayo and Dublin will be mainly ignored by most of the non rossies and some rossies who love to be critical." I agree with you The_ Analyser. At least one constant critic is beginning to emerge again. He/She thinks it is ok to criticise individual players and the management who have put in a huge effort for the Rossies. They themselves think they know more that the management who are working closely with the players on the training pitch. There is no pleasing them.
It has been a good year so far and the team have improved. If we beat Cork it will be a very good year, but it will be very difficult to beat Kerry, Dublin etc in the quarter final who will have had an extra weeks rest to rest and prepare. I am optimistic for next Saturday against Cork.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 731 - 19/06/2023 17:56:18
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Replying To The_analyser: "Mayo are professionally ran ever since a culture change by Horan in the winter of 2010. Management teams then and now one of the most stocked and expensive, this winter they did hard training in the winter in the Connacht GAA centre and were ahead of every other team on fitness in the league. Derry needed to drop to Div 4 to get their act together and Owenbeg is one of the top of the range training centres. Rory Gallagher had Derry as fit and conditioned as Donegal was in 2011 to 2014. To have teams in that shape does not come cheap.
Fit for consecutive league games is one thing but fit and conditioned for championship football is different level altogether, The schedule we have would be tough going for the fitter teams and if we are lucky enough to win on Saturday we are out again the following weekend that would be 3 matches in 14 day and up against one of Kerry,Armagh or Derry who will be rested.
Main focus needs to be on trying to win on Saturday as for me reaching the last 8 will represent a good first year under Davy Burke and his management. A loss and the usual criticism will be thrown at us until the 2024 campaign commences the league progress and 3rd place finish plus good championship performances against top ranking teams in Mayo and Dublin will be mainly ignored by most of the non rossies and some rossies who love to be critical." Agreed, really need a performance next weekend. To make a quarter final plus retaining Div status would be good progress. Very unfair that teams are out three weeks in a row if they overcome their preliminary game. The reward for winning the group should be one less game by getting into a quarter but if you finish seceond or third you should have an addtional punishment of only having 1 week recovery times.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 19/06/2023 18:39:46
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Replying To LilywhiteGael: "That "Kildare man" is one of the best fielders of a ball in the country" He would be one of the best footballers in the country if it wasnt for injuries joy to watch. Fully deserved your win. Prob worked out for the best for us some tricky fixtures if we had finished second.
The amount of wides we kicked is worrying. Glad to here Davie Burke is not doing any major trainings this week the work has been done over the winter the lads need to get the bodies and heads right this week. donie smith needs to start from the bench in my opinion
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 789 - 20/06/2023 08:25:20
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I have no time for criticizing the lads that are giving so much of their time for our entertainment. So easy to go from hero to zero in the blink of an eye. The lads looked tired at the weekend but they're not robots, it's been a long year and the effort they've put in and some of the victories have been fantastic. It will be an awful pity if we don't win at the weekend, but it's been a super year and I think we're in a good place with Davey, and if we can keep all current members of the panel and add the few lads to come back, we can hopefully push on and build on this year.
It won't be east but I do think we'll beat them and who knows what can happen then, we deserve a quarter final place at least, but football doesn't always work like that!
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Replying To LilywhiteGael: "That "Kildare man" is one of the best fielders of a ball in the country" I was delighted for him aside from the fact it was against us, has been through the ringer with injuries and meant to be a nice guy
TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 20/06/2023 09:37:33
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Understandably there is a much more downbeat vibe about before this weekend, compared to the last few weeks.
But it's now that the lads need us. They have given us great days so far this year, a solid league campaign, another brilliant day in Castlebar and almost the perfect day in Croke Park. Davy commended the support the team had in Tullamore and it was great to see such numbers. He also asked us to get out again this weekend. I know it's not possible for everyone and it's a trip that won't suit many people but let's park the negativity now and anyone who can be in Cork Saturday afternoon, let's get in early and show the lads that we are right behind them, from when they do their pitch walk, their warm up and come out for the game. It might give them that extra lift they need.
D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 20/06/2023 10:18:21
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Replying To D.Hyde: "Understandably there is a much more downbeat vibe about before this weekend, compared to the last few weeks.
But it's now that the lads need us. They have given us great days so far this year, a solid league campaign, another brilliant day in Castlebar and almost the perfect day in Croke Park. Davy commended the support the team had in Tullamore and it was great to see such numbers. He also asked us to get out again this weekend. I know it's not possible for everyone and it's a trip that won't suit many people but let's park the negativity now and anyone who can be in Cork Saturday afternoon, let's get in early and show the lads that we are right behind them, from when they do their pitch walk, their warm up and come out for the game. It might give them that extra lift they need." The wides and the marks done us last Sunday.
The swarm defence protecting the D is grand once your opponents follow the modern practice of getting in around the D to shoot.
Kildare played to a different tune by kicking uncontested from further out and having someone inside to "mark" the ball.
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We're still in the Championship so let's tear into Cork and see how it goes from there.
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "I agree with you The_ Analyser. At least one constant critic is beginning to emerge again. He/She thinks it is ok to criticise individual players and the management who have put in a huge effort for the Rossies. They themselves think they know more that the management who are working closely with the players on the training pitch. There is no pleasing them.
It has been a good year so far and the team have improved. If we beat Cork it will be a very good year, but it will be very difficult to beat Kerry, Dublin etc in the quarter final who will have had an extra weeks rest to rest and prepare. I am optimistic for next Saturday against Cork." A facilties or funding issue is not the responsibility of the player's or management.
I'd be optimistic about this weekend also. Not writing off Cork, yes they will have a bounce going in but can they play to that level of intensity again? Whereas Roscommon definitely have it in them to up the performance. No better man than Davy Burke to get players heads back into a positive space.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 20/06/2023 11:29:42
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Are there any supporters buses or anything going on Sat ? That would really bring more down. Mayo and Armagh and I'm sure a few more are always brilliant for organizing them but never hear of any for our away days unless they're private.
TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 20/06/2023 11:48:08
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "A facilties or funding issue is not the responsibility of the player's or management.
I'd be optimistic about this weekend also. Not writing off Cork, yes they will have a bounce going in but can they play to that level of intensity again? Whereas Roscommon definitely have it in them to up the performance. No better man than Davy Burke to get players heads back into a positive space." Never mentioned anything in my recent post about facilities of funding. That is a different issue.
My comments were about naming and criticizing individual players and management unfairly, who have put in a huge effort this year and have given us great performances during the year. We have played some of the top teams in both the league and championship and been very competitive in all twelve matches. This should be acknowledged rather than looking for something to complain about. In fairness, the vast majority of Roscommon posters are positive, fair and balanced but we have a couple of posters who tend to see the glass half empty, much too often. (Other county forums are similar)
Hopefully the team will have good support again in Cork next weekend. The best of luck to the team and safe travelling to all supporters. I think we can do it!!!
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 731 - 20/06/2023 12:35:19
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Never mentioned anything in my recent post about facilities of funding. That is a different issue.
My comments were about naming and criticizing individual players and management unfairly, who have put in a huge effort this year and have given us great performances during the year. We have played some of the top teams in both the league and championship and been very competitive in all twelve matches. This should be acknowledged rather than looking for something to complain about. In fairness, the vast majority of Roscommon posters are positive, fair and balanced but we have a couple of posters who tend to see the glass half empty, much too often. (Other county forums are similar)
Hopefully the team will have good support again in Cork next weekend. The best of luck to the team and safe travelling to all supporters. I think we can do it!!!" Will we have 2 thousand Roscommon people travelling or less?? Will cork bring 4/5 thousand. Very hard to know
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1237 - 20/06/2023 14:17:17
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Replying To LilywhiteGael: "That "Kildare man" is one of the best fielders of a ball in the country" He would be one of the best footballers in the country if it wasnt for injuries joy to watch. Fully deserved your win. Prob worked out for the best for us some tricky fixtures if we had finished second.
The amount of wides we kicked is worrying. Glad to here Davie Burke is not doing any major trainings this week the work has been done over the winter the lads need to get the bodies and heads right this week. donie smith needs to start from the bench in my opinion
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 789 - 20/06/2023 14:22:15
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Replying To eoinog: "No need to water the Hyde now" You are correct there. That heavy rain was a godsend.
kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 346 - 20/06/2023 14:55:02
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