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Very hard to see a Cavan win. The team is mentally weak with no leaders. Lots of lads who perform when things going well but when the going gets tough they lie down.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 774 - 21/05/2017 10:04:14    1988717

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Replying To RHF:  "Very hard to see a Cavan win. The team is mentally weak with no leaders. Lots of lads who perform when things going well but when the going gets tough they lie down."
There is no doubt that Cavan have it all to prove. Two one point defeats in the last couple of years, now is the time to turn narrow a defeat into a narrow victory.

I for one will be very surprised if the game is not in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go, the final 10 minutes will tell us much about the character of the team.

Time to deliver!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 21/05/2017 11:07:26    1988743

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Fermanagh showed signs in the first half that the Monaghan defence can be opened up. They were fortunate enough to go in ahead at half time, a lucky goal like they scored against Cavan in 2013. Monaghan improved in the second half. A few subs made an impact like Duffy who got man of the match.

They have 3 good inside forwards now, when in 2013 and 2015 it was just McManus. McCarron and McCarthy are a big threat too.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 21/05/2017 11:35:43    1988749

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Replying To kildare blue:  "There is no doubt that Cavan have it all to prove. Two one point defeats in the last couple of years, now is the time to turn narrow a defeat into a narrow victory.

I for one will be very surprised if the game is not in the melting pot with 10 minutes to go, the final 10 minutes will tell us much about the character of the team.

Time to deliver!"
I'd agree with that. There's no doubt Monaghan are a better team but the smart money says it will be a dog fight and if we can get into their heads and put some doubt in there early we might just stay with them long enough to pip them to the post. But we'll need to improve on previous meetings where we tended to panic a bit with the finish line in sight. And of course McManus is that bit of real quality who always delivers against us when the heat is really on. But there were some encouraging signs in the league particularly against Kerry and Mayo where we fought it out till the end. There were lots of negatives too but we'll get plenty of chances for countering against Monaghan which seems to suit us better as a team and you'd hope management have learned a lot and ironed out some of the kinks.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 21/05/2017 11:53:05    1988755

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "I'd agree with that. There's no doubt Monaghan are a better team but the smart money says it will be a dog fight and if we can get into their heads and put some doubt in there early we might just stay with them long enough to pip them to the post. But we'll need to improve on previous meetings where we tended to panic a bit with the finish line in sight. And of course McManus is that bit of real quality who always delivers against us when the heat is really on. But there were some encouraging signs in the league particularly against Kerry and Mayo where we fought it out till the end. There were lots of negatives too but we'll get plenty of chances for countering against Monaghan which seems to suit us better as a team and you'd hope management have learned a lot and ironed out some of the kinks."
Why do we do it to ourselves??
This blind faith every year only to be let down like a lead balloon.

Maybe this year ..........

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 21/05/2017 19:58:14    1988966

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Recent history tells us that this will be a close one. Monaghan will rightly be favourites and I actually think that they will have the mental strength to see this one home I'm afraid. What Cavan need is a forward to put his hand up and show some real quality. McDermott has the potential to do it. McVeety can be a game changer when he uses the ball and doesn't overcarry the ball. We do have some very good players but we will need everyone at full tilt and nobody more than Gearoid. This is a massive game for Cavan and a win here could be the springboard for a stronger mentality and belief within this group. I hope and pray that we can do it but I am not confident.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 22/05/2017 12:27:22    1989293

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We hype ourselves every year !
Monaghan have a stronger panel than us.
We will probably stay with them until half time but can't see us getting the win.
We don't have the mental strength to grind out a result when it matters. look at all the finals, championships and league games we bottled when it mattered most.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 22/05/2017 14:02:19    1989362

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The prophets of doom have emerged on queue. We always knew who the opposition for Round1 was going to be so nothing has changed. There is a lot stupid talk by Cavan lads on this forum about how bad/lucky/limited Monaghan are. We should be big enough to accept that they are where they are on merit i.e. not All Ireland contenders but a decent Div1 side in good shape. That said I still say they have a brittle mentality which can be exploited if a well organized and committed team gets under them early.
So the question is not about them, but whether this Cavan team has it in them to believe they can turn Monaghan over on our home ground. Yes the league was poor enough but look at where Cavan could have an advantage in matchups. There are goals to be got from G.Mac at full forward, he has the aerial beating of Wylie all day. Midfield too can be a strong point for Cavan especially with Hughes out. Plus Cavan's half back line if selected properly can dominate by defending the run against a Monaghan 10-11-12 that doesn't want to kick the ball. All the focus is on the scoring threat offered by Monaghan's inside line which is very strong on paper, but they don't much pace and are as ordinary looking as ours if the quick ball is stopped at source. Clarke and Faulkner will be up for it. This is not delusional thinking but a genuine shout at identifying areas to hit hardest. There is always a way to beat Monaghan- Mattie McGleenan and co. have to put the doubts aside and build a plan to do it.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 22/05/2017 15:43:11    1989430

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The worrying thing is that Monaghan have a lot more attacking options this year than previous years. As mentioned above the likes of McCarthy,McCarron in the inside forward line plus a lot of other players chipping in with scores like Kieran Hughes, Karl O' Connell, Fintan Kelly and Owen Duffy, Their bench is stacked with hardened experienced championship players too like Dermot Malone, Dessie Mone, McAnespie,K.Duffy etc etc. We still don't have that experience on the bench. Don't get me wrong, I think we have also improved since last year but I think Monaghan have kept ahead of us. Perhaps Mattie can jig things around a bit to give us more firepower up front. Drew Wylie is a colossus at the back for Monaghan and no one on our panel will be able to get the better of him in a fight for possession so we have to somehow draw him out the field and get the ball in behind him to willing runners.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 22/05/2017 17:29:51    1989494

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Replying To s goldrick:  "The worrying thing is that Monaghan have a lot more attacking options this year than previous years. As mentioned above the likes of McCarthy,McCarron in the inside forward line plus a lot of other players chipping in with scores like Kieran Hughes, Karl O' Connell, Fintan Kelly and Owen Duffy, Their bench is stacked with hardened experienced championship players too like Dermot Malone, Dessie Mone, McAnespie,K.Duffy etc etc. We still don't have that experience on the bench. Don't get me wrong, I think we have also improved since last year but I think Monaghan have kept ahead of us. Perhaps Mattie can jig things around a bit to give us more firepower up front. Drew Wylie is a colossus at the back for Monaghan and no one on our panel will be able to get the better of him in a fight for possession so we have to somehow draw him out the field and get the ball in behind him to willing runners."
Goldrick- you think we are stronger than last year? I don't think so.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1482 - 22/05/2017 17:49:31    1989505

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Replying To fredflint:  "Goldrick- you think we are stronger than last year? I don't think so."
I can see why he'd say that. I think we have more outfield options but on the other hand Givney is a massive massive loss.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 23/05/2017 00:13:33    1989645

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Fermanagh got there tactics spot on , they pushed up on Monaghan kick outs, made them kick the ball to were there most weak to midfield, Monaghan pushed on the second half because Fermanaghs fitness levels was terrible and there passing wasn't great either , if we keep pushed up on monaghans kick out we should win the midfield field battle with Mc Kiernan and maybe Faukner , not Clarke he is a defender, after all the best form of defence is attack

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 23/05/2017 10:33:08    1989710

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Replying To fredflint:  "Goldrick- you think we are stronger than last year? I don't think so."
I think obviously the experience of playing in division will stand to us. Playing against the likes of Dublin,Kerry,mayo,Donegal. we should have learned something. Also our fitness levels will have improved, our S&C. A few of the players that have come in like Gerry Smith,P. Faulkner etc have got great engines, cover a lot of ground and are intelligent players. Conor Madden has also added something. I take the point about Givney and yes he is a loss but you can also say that Darren Hughes is a massive loss to Monaghan. Keating last year was used sparingly. I think Mackey is fitter this year than last. Dillon is another option that we didn't have last year. Fergal Reilly is a solid corner back and Niall Clerkin is a fast and direct forward. Gearoid too will hopefully have learned from playing against top class opposition. Martin Reilly is always consistent . The problem with Martin is that he can sometimes try to do too much . I think he is a fantastic player and a great man to look after a player of the calibre of Karl O'Connell. Of course having said all that , you can go through the Monaghan team and they have very good players all over the field, They seem to be attacking more quickly now, transitioning at pace, something which we rarely seem to do with parts of the mayo game being an exception. Anyway looking forward to it, hopefully it will be a good dry day

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 23/05/2017 12:42:57    1989778

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Sometimes a gut feeling is all you need.
I feel we can turn Monaghan over.
There's always a surprise package every championship and I feel it might be Cavan.
Hopefully I'm not left eating humble pie.
AGAIN

Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 101 - 23/05/2017 13:19:25    1989801

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "The prophets of doom have emerged on queue. We always knew who the opposition for Round1 was going to be so nothing has changed. There is a lot stupid talk by Cavan lads on this forum about how bad/lucky/limited Monaghan are. We should be big enough to accept that they are where they are on merit i.e. not All Ireland contenders but a decent Div1 side in good shape. That said I still say they have a brittle mentality which can be exploited if a well organized and committed team gets under them early.
So the question is not about them, but whether this Cavan team has it in them to believe they can turn Monaghan over on our home ground. Yes the league was poor enough but look at where Cavan could have an advantage in matchups. There are goals to be got from G.Mac at full forward, he has the aerial beating of Wylie all day. Midfield too can be a strong point for Cavan especially with Hughes out. Plus Cavan's half back line if selected properly can dominate by defending the run against a Monaghan 10-11-12 that doesn't want to kick the ball. All the focus is on the scoring threat offered by Monaghan's inside line which is very strong on paper, but they don't much pace and are as ordinary looking as ours if the quick ball is stopped at source. Clarke and Faulkner will be up for it. This is not delusional thinking but a genuine shout at identifying areas to hit hardest. There is always a way to beat Monaghan- Mattie McGleenan and co. have to put the doubts aside and build a plan to do it."
Brittle Mentality......remind us again how Cavan fared against Roscommon in the last game of the league, with Cavan knowing a win would see them safe, and Roscommon having won none of their previous matches.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 23/05/2017 17:10:05    1989903

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Its a Championship match, its a local derby, so anything can happen, so it shouldn't be a surprise if Cavan did get a win.

But it doesn't make them better than Monaghan. Monaghan deserve huge respect, they've maintained their Division one status for a few years now, they've won an Ulster Title and deserve to be tagged as favorites, so please stop this nonsense of Cavan being the better team.

If Cavan beat them, then huge respect to Cavan for being the better team on the day.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 23/05/2017 17:14:57    1989904

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Replying To goonie:  "Fermanagh got there tactics spot on , they pushed up on Monaghan kick outs, made them kick the ball to were there most weak to midfield, Monaghan pushed on the second half because Fermanaghs fitness levels was terrible and there passing wasn't great either , if we keep pushed up on monaghans kick out we should win the midfield field battle with Mc Kiernan and maybe Faukner , not Clarke he is a defender, after all the best form of defence is attack"
Sorry I'm not sure I understand this? monaghan won 17 out of their 19 kick outs and won 10 of Fermanaghs 26. So they won 89% of their own and 38% of oppositions. I'm not sure how you have came up with your opinion?

kupa (Monaghan) - Posts: 281 - 23/05/2017 17:55:40    1989921

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Brittle Mentality......remind us again how Cavan fared against Roscommon in the last game of the league, with Cavan knowing a win would see them safe, and Roscommon having won none of their previous matches."
If they won they were still relegated.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 23/05/2017 17:56:39    1989922

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Cavan are well capable of beating this Monaghan team if we get match ups,tactics,line out fairly right.We can win midfield on long kickouts provided the ball is kept away from Kieran hughes on our kickouts and we stop him taking running jumps if they kick it long,we need to push up on their short kickouts also.We need a good sweeper system in place at the back and to be well organised when McManus and McCarron decide to rotate and play around the 45m line. Also players ensure they know what to do when Karl O'Connell runs from defence and to a lesser extent Colin Walsh.

celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 23/05/2017 18:00:33    1989928

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I think it'll be a tight game all the way, but this Cavan team have crumbled time and time again in close games when the pressure was applied to them and they didn't show any signs in this years league that they've improved since last year.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1063 - 23/05/2017 18:37:42    1989947

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