What do you reckon folks?

I've seen a few incidents this year in the leagues of forwards with ball in hand about to go straight through on goal only to be dragged down from behind

There were incidents of this approach in the recent Armagh V Longford game and Diarmuid Connolly was dragged down in a similar manner against Kildare

Of course it goes without saying that ALL teams are at this

I don't think a yellow card is near enough.

If a player cynically drags down another player who has a chance to go in on goal he should get a yellow card and a 10-15 minute sin-bin

At the minute it's just too easy an option and players are gladly taking the yellow to stop goals.

There should be more of a punishment and the opposing team deserve more retribution.

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 508 - 11/03/2013 16:21:58    1347282

Good idea. Yeah the punishment does not fit the crime for these type of offences. The sin bin could be used for alot of cynical tackles.
Think this was proposed for central council but got no further.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 11/03/2013 21:31:21    1347675

Sin bin works in many other sports and would be a great deterent to players on committing cynical fouls.
Think 10 minutes is the max you could punish a player with even 7mins being looked at considering that would be 10% of total playing time.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/03/2013 21:38:34    1347680

Not a bad idea, something like that is needed just as badly in hurling

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 11/03/2013 21:48:36    1347688

Soccer is far better at dealing with cheating than we are. GAA people slag them but some of the stuff that goes on in gaelic football would not be tolerated. I have never seen a player being carded for diving or other such nonsense. It happens regulalry in soccer.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 11/03/2013 21:51:50    1347693

Congress will vote on this shortly, but its not a sin bin they are going to introduce, the offending player will have to be substituted.

Each team are allowed 3 of these and then they wont be able to replace the player for any further fouls.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 891 - 12/03/2013 11:22:57    1347840

A red card would probably be too harsh in gaa, as there are more scoring opportunities than in soccer. However a yellow isnt enough either. A sin bin in theory could work.
However, how long before we get guys pretending to be pulled down in a point scoring situation so a fella gets the line and they get a point from a free?
And that is the real problem with the GAA. The ethos of lets find gaps in the rules that we can exploit, as opposed to lets play the game in front of us.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/03/2013 12:09:47    1347889

Its uncanny how alike you and Jimbo are Beezle !! :)

I do agree though ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 12/03/2013 12:14:28    1347895

waynoI
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1347895 Its uncanny how alike you and Jimbo are Beezle !! :)

I do agree though ..

You'd be surprised just how similar I am to a few other Dub posters.. sure dont we all have the same cause close to heart.

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 508 - 12/03/2013 12:54:18    1347936

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 4300

1347693
Soccer is far better at dealing with cheating than we are.


What? are you mad? Sure it's not even a sport - more like WWE! Everything is fixed and most of it is acting!

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 12/03/2013 13:04:49    1347954

Have to say I think this is the best idea put forward on HS. The amount of times Mayo committed this offence in last years semi final was just astonishing. But we wont go down that route as it's been done to death at this stage.

Great idea!

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 13/03/2013 13:15:47    1348732

I think the issue here is that we are dealing with an amateur sport that is getting more and more exposed to TV, the players are becomming fitter,faster,stronger, the stakes are getting higher. the game is becoming more and more professional all the time yet its officials are still as amateur as they always were, refs,linesmen,umpires. Either we start paying everyone or accept the shambles that it is.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 13/03/2013 13:36:22    1348753

Be all for a sin bin but what length of time 5/8/10 minutes.
But before we do this i would like to see a properly defined tackle differs from game to game and ref to ref, I myself would have it that you wrap the player anwhere from hip to shoulders, he has to release the ball when wrapped. But like rugby the player tackling would have bring the player tackled safely to the ground or it would be a free against him.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 13/03/2013 13:46:15    1348763

Why the sin bin and not yellow then red. Best deterrent of the lot

ballybannongael (Down) - Posts: 547 - 13/03/2013 13:49:07    1348769

Many people miss the key issue here, if a sin-bin was introduced then it would still be down to the referee to enforce it, and some referees completely lose the run of themselves so they would be sending multiple players to the sin-bin. This is another example of the GAA finding issues where they don't exist. This would be an issue if Donegal's AI win last year was achieved through cynical fouling, it wasnt and no team has won anything significant with these tactics.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 13/03/2013 14:00:27    1348782

PK57
County: Louth

cynical fouling, no team has won anything significant with these tactics.

Any team who's ever won anything significant has always used these tactics! Of course you're gonna pull someone down if they're heading towards goal in the dying minutes. What are you supposed to do, allow them to score a goal that will put you out? Remember peter canavan against gooch in 05? A straight red card is the only way to stop these kind of fouls. But then would someone take a red card to stop a goal if there's only like 3 mins left anyway. Its a tricky one. Maybe if you banned someone for life if they commit one of these fouls, it might cut it out

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 13/03/2013 19:43:41    1349028

PK57, you must be joking. Donegal had a system of cynical play throughout last years championship. Every time an opponent won a kickout they fouled him and got back into defensive position. This was a massive part of why they only conceded 1 goal. Im not knocking them, just pointing out that this has had success. Also, surely it is fair to say that tyrone used their fair share of this type of stuff when they won their all irelands?

Elther way, it doesnt matter. Whether it has been a part of a gameplan for a team that won something or not is beside the point. It is against the ethos of fair play, and so should be removed from the game.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/03/2013 19:53:46    1349035

The Master
So for persistent fouling would you be in favor of sin bin the same as in rugby where referee tells team captain next one to foul is heading for the bin whether he was persistent fouler or its his fist foul.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 14/03/2013 15:45:35    1349514