A question for administrators:
Can a club have a "reduced numbers" team (e.g. 11 or 13 a side) and also amalgamate with another reduced numbers team to form a 15 a side team within the same grade but different division within the grade?
Thanks in advance..

celticgael (Limerick) - Posts: 3 - 20/10/2010 11:04:31    800126

thats stupid

eireog (Tipperary) - Posts: 127 - 20/10/2010 11:30:07    800145

but sure then it'd be 22 or 26 a-side?

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 20/10/2010 11:43:16    800158

No

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 20/10/2010 11:50:21    800167

Like you mean club A are competing in u16 division c or d and the same with club b, you want to know could they form an amalaged team and compete in division a. It can happen in senior football say kerry junior teams form amalaged teams and compete in senior so cant see why it could not happen underage.

xxx (Mayo) - Posts: 1275 - 20/10/2010 11:51:55    800169

ive seen underage teams join together alright maybe for a certain age group due to the reduced playing numbers, but your question kinda confuses me with the different divisions aspect of it. Or maybe its just im easily confused

Kerry1989 (Kerry) - Posts: 8 - 20/10/2010 13:31:36    800248

Yes that can happan but stay away from amalgamations if at all possible for underage.

SLIGO111 (Sligo) - Posts: 73 - 20/10/2010 13:53:31    800265

i dont like amaglamations

flame09 (Longford) - Posts: 246 - 20/10/2010 14:13:56    800287

I think the question seems to be can you play for your own small local team and then also play for a regional almagated side at a higher level. The answer to that is no. A club either has their own entered side or their players play in a divisional side. They can not do both.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 20/10/2010 14:24:37    800296

One other option would be to consult a dentist.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/10/2010 14:39:17    800318

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 6405

800318 One other option would be to consult a dentist.

Or at least an Orthodontist.

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 20/10/2010 14:46:01    800324

Happens in Monaghan underage structure.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 20/10/2010 15:38:14    800370

flame09
County: Longford
Posts: 208

800287
i dont like amaglamations

same here especially when a rival club does it

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 20/10/2010 19:58:16    800609

down with that sort of thing

maigh_eo (Mayo) - Posts: 1346 - 20/10/2010 20:45:25    800646

celticgael
County: Limerick
Posts: 1

800126 A question for administrators:
Can a club have a "reduced numbers" team (e.g. 11 or 13 a side) and also amalgamate with another reduced numbers team to form a 15 a side team within the same grade but different division within the grade?
Thanks in advance..


Celticgael

To answer your question, if a team amalgamates they must move up 1 division and play 15 a side which usually means they must play in the top division. Amalgamated clubs must also change their name, they cannot use the name of any of the clubs involved.

A few years ago our club reached a minor final here in Roscommon only to come up against an illegal amalgamation of 2 clubs who had not changed their name and stayed in the same division. We lost the game by 2 points, lodged an official objection with the Roscommon county board and were basically laughed at despite the rules clearly being broken. It was a disgraceful decision and stank of the typical biase that exists in Roscommon.

Headhunter85 (Roscommon) - Posts: 33 - 21/10/2010 08:34:56    800719

is it true that in cavan knockbride competed in the junior championship also mountnugent and munterconnacht yet all these also competed in the senior championship as part of an amalgamation. Cavan is rife with amalgamations come championship time. this causes utter confusion regarding relegation from senior ranks to intermediate as the amalgamated side obviously cant be relegated to intermediate but the proper senior side can be relegated. this happened last year and the senior side objected and won on appeal. I think if teams want to amalgatate for senior,junior or intermediate then thats fine but make it permanent. the under-21 is also a joke this year in cavan with all the amalgams, some of them comprising of very strong teams.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 21/10/2010 10:44:27    800808

Lots of teams in Kerry do it at underage level but it very rarely happens at senior.

It usually happens in area's where the opulation is low and fluctuates. In West Kerry, 15 yers ago there was an Amalgamation at minor level between sworn enemies Castlegregory and Annascaul. Then Castle had a few very good teams come through and now there's an Annascaul/Lispole amalgamation at minor grade.
Same has happened with Brosna/Knocknagoshel and Sneem/Waterville, Kenmare/Kilgarvan and Fossa/Listry.

At senior Grade the most high profile club amalgamation is Milltown/Castlemaine with Glenbeigh/Glencar another senior team.

diablodeKingdom (Kerry) - Posts: 210 - 21/10/2010 17:54:22    801307

Can only think of 2 underage sides in Derry that does it;

St Patricks - Amalgamation of Drum and Drumsurn which would be quite low in numbers these days. Still dont think they played at "A" level though as they played against our lads in a lower division at u16.

Roe Valley O Cahans - this is a startup team for hurling in the area. Comprises 4/5 clubs that couldnt field a hurling team underage. Limavady, Faughanvale, Drumsurn, Magilligan are all involved. Best of luck to them!

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 22/10/2010 08:57:14    801513

Thanks for the replies:
To put it into practical terms, let me paint a clearer picture...
Basically we have about 15 players available to play U14. About 10 are interested, the other 5 there to make up the numbers.
My question is:
Could we field a team in the 12 a side competition and amalgamte with another 11 a side team to form a 15 a side team and compete in division 1?
The problem is that 11 a side games are very false (4/5 of the better players run the show completely) and are of no benefit to good hurlers as it gives them bad habits e.g. soloing the length of the field, etc. Therefore to give those hurlers a better chance of developing, they could also play in division 1 as part of an amalgamation.
My initial thoughts are that it is not allowed but it should be considered to allow rural clubs to survive due to issues with player numbers.

celticgael (Limerick) - Posts: 3 - 22/10/2010 11:16:50    801594

one of the sucess stories in armagh was corrahill blues - Culloville, Corrinshego and Forkhill, won minor 11 championship and defeated dromintee in u-21 champ

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 22/10/2010 12:47:23    801686