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Armagh V Meath. Rd 2.

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I answered this with exact details but it wasn't posted. Twice.
I'll try a very toned down version. They didn't have the input they expected or is happening with eivers in Donegal.
Second part. One name. Brennan"
Yeah fair enough,for the record I liked both of them.I know a couple players who play with the Meath ladies and they had alot of time for Garrigan but ladies game is alot different to men's(please dont pick me up on this yee know what I mean).I think Donegals upturn probably more to do with Jimmy mac back.Im guessing its Brennan over Kilmacud if so yes he is not doing do bad is he and wouldn't be bad shout although Andy mac done well with Balybowden but didn't turn out the way we wanted in the end.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 256 - 06/02/2024 22:14:04    2524847

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Yeah fair enough,for the record I liked both of them.I know a couple players who play with the Meath ladies and they had alot of time for Garrigan but ladies game is alot different to men's(please dont pick me up on this yee know what I mean).I think Donegals upturn probably more to do with Jimmy mac back.Im guessing its Brennan over Kilmacud if so yes he is not doing do bad is he and wouldn't be bad shout although Andy mac done well with Balybowden but didn't turn out the way we wanted in the end."
Wasn't Robbie Brennan on Bernard Flynn's ticket when he went for the post. As far as I know he also had the high profile coach Donie Buckley. Now these are the sort of lads that this Meath team need. But I don't think the County Board were too keen to give the job to Flynn.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 07/02/2024 10:39:39    2524872

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "Wasn't Robbie Brennan on Bernard Flynn's ticket when he went for the post. As far as I know he also had the high profile coach Donie Buckley. Now these are the sort of lads that this Meath team need. But I don't think the County Board were too keen to give the job to Flynn."
I He said he had Stephen Rochford, only for him to delete the tweet and then shortly after Stephen Rochford is part of Kevin McStay's ticket for the Mayo job.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 07/02/2024 10:59:24    2524880

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I He said he had Stephen Rochford, only for him to delete the tweet and then shortly after Stephen Rochford is part of Kevin McStay's ticket for the Mayo job."
I would love to see Malachy ORourke in but I suspect he is happy out at the moment and if moving from Glen likely to stay in Ulster!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 07/02/2024 14:37:49    2524941

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Yeah fair enough,for the record I liked both of them.I know a couple players who play with the Meath ladies and they had alot of time for Garrigan but ladies game is alot different to men's(please dont pick me up on this yee know what I mean).I think Donegals upturn probably more to do with Jimmy mac back.Im guessing its Brennan over Kilmacud if so yes he is not doing do bad is he and wouldn't be bad shout although Andy mac done well with Balybowden but didn't turn out the way we wanted in the end."
He didn't turn out way we wanted that been said at least we had a game plan and defense was structured. I actually think he did ok considering we had some very poor areas of concern ie midfield and gk. He did get us to div 1 and while no wins we were competitive for most of the games. Even dubs one. I believe we have better players now. But we just not set up right.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/02/2024 18:05:12    2525008

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Reading allot of the long messages here most if not all are just pure drivel, surely the moderator should consider a maximum word count, Posters can surely make there point in less then 100 words making it easier for the rest of us to read and for the moderator to moderate."
Haha. I get what you saying. And on that topic. Has anyone seen or heard from furlong ? I hope he is ok.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/02/2024 18:38:33    2525012

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "I would love to see Malachy ORourke in but I suspect he is happy out at the moment and if moving from Glen likely to stay in Ulster!"
Anyway there is no vacancy for a manager at this time.I note Glen Ryan Kildare has been told clearly by the County Board that early seasons results have not been good enough. That is due process . The sharp increase associated with preparing the county teams recently makes it a value for money issue in all counties just like any other business. That is only fair to the manager who is probably doing his best.He is accountable to the County Board after all. Any manager deserves the opportunity to review ,adjust as required firstly. I also think its unfair to ask for the managers head rather than than allow due process. It does place a critical responsibility on the County Board Problems can only be tackled using the proper procedures. No place for agendas. .Strong leadership from the top table is essential. Supporters are fully entitled to question poor performance on field. On that score for me i cannot understand how coaching areas seem NEGLECTED for many years. That does not mean i want Colm O Rourke out. I want to see recurring mistakes dealt with that will lead to improvement.Otherwise what is the point ? I know a timeframe exists for improvement of some significance. We are like a car running on the reserve tank at present .Lets top up now !

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 10/02/2024 09:47:17    2525294

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Replying To nobull456:  "Anyway there is no vacancy for a manager at this time.I note Glen Ryan Kildare has been told clearly by the County Board that early seasons results have not been good enough. That is due process . The sharp increase associated with preparing the county teams recently makes it a value for money issue in all counties just like any other business. That is only fair to the manager who is probably doing his best.He is accountable to the County Board after all. Any manager deserves the opportunity to review ,adjust as required firstly. I also think its unfair to ask for the managers head rather than than allow due process. It does place a critical responsibility on the County Board Problems can only be tackled using the proper procedures. No place for agendas. .Strong leadership from the top table is essential. Supporters are fully entitled to question poor performance on field. On that score for me i cannot understand how coaching areas seem NEGLECTED for many years. That does not mean i want Colm O Rourke out. I want to see recurring mistakes dealt with that will lead to improvement.Otherwise what is the point ? I know a timeframe exists for improvement of some significance. We are like a car running on the reserve tank at present .Lets top up now !"
It's a results based game. I admire Kildare cb. Meath cb wouldn't say that. We have gone back alarmingly and are now talking about 3/4 years.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/02/2024 13:57:41    2525319

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Ryan porter o rourkes coach he could be brought in to over see what's goin on still stay with Glen.
3 months is all we'd need him really give advice and tips to our coaches set us up to be able to withstand transition football.
Get us system that can go for our strengths but keep our defense tight.no t rocket science but he's had tried and tested experience of it.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 12/02/2024 11:56:36    2525611

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Ryan porter o rourkes coach he could be brought in to over see what's goin on still stay with Glen.
3 months is all we'd need him really give advice and tips to our coaches set us up to be able to withstand transition football.
Get us system that can go for our strengths but keep our defense tight.no t rocket science but he's had tried and tested experience of it."
Yes....i agree rather than let the manager go (prematurely) we should develop to meet the needs by bringing in help .No doubt help with coaching is top priority. O Rourke said he would bring in help as required. Whats the problem ? Normal business practise and not rocket science. Its not about WHO the manager is .It is about the manager MANAGING.......nothing else.! The only agenda is improvement ,and meeting this development should help here.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 12/02/2024 13:41:30    2525650

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Replying To nobull456:  "Yes....i agree rather than let the manager go (prematurely) we should develop to meet the needs by bringing in help .No doubt help with coaching is top priority. O Rourke said he would bring in help as required. Whats the problem ? Normal business practise and not rocket science. Its not about WHO the manager is .It is about the manager MANAGING.......nothing else.! The only agenda is improvement ,and meeting this development should help here."
Don't fully agree!
Firstly it is ALL about the manager here!! COR had 2 full pre-seasons not to get his backroom team right and at the end of the day that's his job!! I am still at a loss as to why we cannot see the need for top class experienced coaches!!
Do we even have a S&C coach now? Based on the first 2 performances we were blowing for periods in the second half and probably the main reason we could not beat Fermanagh!
But still if the players still like him then he really needs to give them a great coach!
I also dont agree about bringing in a coach on a temporary basis! A coach at intercounty level has to be more invested than the players and it will take more than a couple of months to get a team playing to specific systems and tactics!
Yes he should be able to get them playing better football in the short term and even winning games but to build a proper system takes time.

JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 218 - 12/02/2024 15:12:35    2525686

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Replying To JonnieG:  "Don't fully agree!
Firstly it is ALL about the manager here!! COR had 2 full pre-seasons not to get his backroom team right and at the end of the day that's his job!! I am still at a loss as to why we cannot see the need for top class experienced coaches!!
Do we even have a S&C coach now? Based on the first 2 performances we were blowing for periods in the second half and probably the main reason we could not beat Fermanagh!
But still if the players still like him then he really needs to give them a great coach!
I also dont agree about bringing in a coach on a temporary basis! A coach at intercounty level has to be more invested than the players and it will take more than a couple of months to get a team playing to specific systems and tactics!
Yes he should be able to get them playing better football in the short term and even winning games but to build a proper system takes time."
Oh of course the book stops with the manager......I am ASSUMING a full time proven coach at this level is not available , I ASSUME the CB have made some attempts to meet this need in consultation with the manager. A good coach can do the job on a contract basis using another showing potential at least for follow on purposes . That why i believe the CB should now be driving this and showing vision. No excuses for the continued inaction on this critical area.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 12/02/2024 16:08:57    2525703

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Replying To nobull456:  "Oh of course the book stops with the manager......I am ASSUMING a full time proven coach at this level is not available , I ASSUME the CB have made some attempts to meet this need in consultation with the manager. A good coach can do the job on a contract basis using another showing potential at least for follow on purposes . That why i believe the CB should now be driving this and showing vision. No excuses for the continued inaction on this critical area."
I would say if the CB interfered COR would walk. Id also say they would be afraid to get involved.
I really dont understand how a full time proven coach would not be available to us. They are out there for sure. And i would have thought with the sponsors we have it wouldn't be a question of money!
Surely if COR had the backing and went looking for great coach he would get one no problem with his name and contacts.

JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 218 - 13/02/2024 13:52:28    2525853

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IF the county board are "afraid" to tackle a problem that is there for several years.....i.e. coaching deficiency for the modern game then that is sad. Colm o Rourke said he will bring in help as he had not all the expertise. That is fair enough to me.I would respond appropriately .Talk that through with COR. Colm did not start the problem ,but if he does not want to be part of fixing the problem then i would ASK him to walk.I am a supporter of Colm's appointment because i believe he has what it takes to at least help to clear up the mess of several years. I do not believe he does not recognise that their is a need for help ,nor do i believe that he would not work with a proven coach even on a contract basis.I could understand why he would have a problem with some names suggested on this forum because they are unproven at intercounty level and that fair enough to me. Everything is about improving standards not just about"giving a lad a go" at coaching . The CB have nothing to fear with whole hearted discussion with Colm. I have no doubt whatsoever both sides just want progress .That is the agenda full stop.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 13/02/2024 17:18:21    2525899

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Replying To nobull456:  "IF the county board are "afraid" to tackle a problem that is there for several years.....i.e. coaching deficiency for the modern game then that is sad. Colm o Rourke said he will bring in help as he had not all the expertise. That is fair enough to me.I would respond appropriately .Talk that through with COR. Colm did not start the problem ,but if he does not want to be part of fixing the problem then i would ASK him to walk.I am a supporter of Colm's appointment because i believe he has what it takes to at least help to clear up the mess of several years. I do not believe he does not recognise that their is a need for help ,nor do i believe that he would not work with a proven coach even on a contract basis.I could understand why he would have a problem with some names suggested on this forum because they are unproven at intercounty level and that fair enough to me. Everything is about improving standards not just about"giving a lad a go" at coaching . The CB have nothing to fear with whole hearted discussion with Colm. I have no doubt whatsoever both sides just want progress .That is the agenda full stop."
So then you see why people have a worry with Colm as he has no inter county experience either

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/02/2024 21:42:29    2525942

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