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No Semi Finals/ Finals In Some Underage Competitions.

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I notice in the u13 football/ hurling competitions this year there was no knock-out stage, the team that finishes top in the group stage are deemed to have won the competition.
For me this was a very bad idea (this was a common complaint I heard on the sideline of these matches), teams that lost a few games had little to play for and lost interest a bit.
Each division should have had knock out games to look forward to at the end of them, I hope they don't organise them in the same way next year (there should also have being knockout 'shield' games for the teams in the bottom half of the table).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1246 - 22/10/2023 14:12:11    2509628

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I notice in the u13 football/ hurling competitions this year there was no knock-out stage, the team that finishes top in the group stage are deemed to have won the competition.
For me this was a very bad idea (this was a common complaint I heard on the sideline of these matches), teams that lost a few games had little to play for and lost interest a bit.
Each division should have had knock out games to look forward to at the end of them, I hope they don't organise them in the same way next year (there should also have being knockout 'shield' games for the teams in the bottom half of the table)."
Kind of crazy if the reason is the county board have decided kids at this age are not competive and just want to just fulfil fixtures rather than try to win out completions.
I had a child playing at age level and not having chance at a final kind of ruined the later games.

GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 17/12/2023 21:24:37    2517236

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The message from the county board is that this is in line with national policy to have less pressure on young players, remove the win at all costs mentality. I personally think it's nuts. One of the best competitions is the Cumann na mbunscoil competition where you have 100's of children representing their schools in real competition, some as young as 9 or 10. There will be joy and disappointment along the way but that's sport. The tears will always dry up quickly when the boys and girls get their can of coke and a bag of crisps or a trip to Supermacs with the team. That's the stuff they remember.

Another reason for no finals is the lack of availability of cups and county board representatives to present them on final day. The CB have been giving out about clubs not returning cups in prior years, to the point where winning clubs were asked to supply their own cup for the presentation. This is just bad planning and an unwillingness to put a process in place.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 303 - 18/12/2023 10:59:21    2517271

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When it was announced that there would be no semi-finals and finals at U13 level this year, there were a lot of clubs unhappy and in contact with the juvenile board. The reply from official level in Meath was that it was a Croke Park ruling and that their hands were tied.
Lo and behold, every county that borders Meath then proceeded to have U13 knockout games - Louth, Monaghan, Cavan, Westmeath, Offaly, Kildare and Dublin.
The rule in question says that underage competitions must be run on a league basis. Nowhere does it say that finals cannot be held but that was the interpretation of the Meath juvenile board.

Roger (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 18/12/2023 11:17:15    2517276

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Replying To Roger:  "When it was announced that there would be no semi-finals and finals at U13 level this year, there were a lot of clubs unhappy and in contact with the juvenile board. The reply from official level in Meath was that it was a Croke Park ruling and that their hands were tied.
Lo and behold, every county that borders Meath then proceeded to have U13 knockout games - Louth, Monaghan, Cavan, Westmeath, Offaly, Kildare and Dublin.
The rule in question says that underage competitions must be run on a league basis. Nowhere does it say that finals cannot be held but that was the interpretation of the Meath juvenile board."
I cannot believe that. Sounds like they just could not be bothered

seasiderblues (Meath) - Posts: 333 - 18/12/2023 11:45:54    2517282

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They'll probably argue it will teach them the importance of winning.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 625 - 18/12/2023 12:07:14    2517287

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Its weird that nationally u13 are deemed as non competitive but primary school games are!!!

hedgefund (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 18/12/2023 15:29:50    2517311

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Is u13 non-competitive? I am sure there are finals in Dublin and they are doing alright

seasiderblues (Meath) - Posts: 333 - 19/12/2023 07:48:39    2517360

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What's even more ridiculous is that each county is allowed do their own thing regarding age grades, for example in Meath it could be U15, U17 (Minor), U19 while in Kildare, they could do U14, U16, U18 (Minor). How has this been allowed happen.

The GAA have done an awful lot of tampering with structures and grades from inter county to club and I am not sure if it is better off for it.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 899 - 19/12/2023 09:48:56    2517373

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Replying To seasiderblues:  "Is u13 non-competitive? I am sure there are finals in Dublin and they are doing alright"
Officially in Meath I think it is considered competitive in that there is a winner (whoever finishes top of the table after the league games was deemed the winner) but it didn't feel that way when it was happening in my experence of looking at the u13 games this year.
The interest levels of the players had dropped off for last few games as there was nothing to play for.

In my opinion thee kids definitely would have enjoyed it more had there been knock out games to play for.

We shouldn't be molly coddling kids that much in u13s, they enjoy being competitive against each other.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1246 - 19/12/2023 15:19:51    2517402

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