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Replying To MillerX:  "Sunday's hurling semifinal could have a big influence on the football relegation, a Kildalkey win will mean that the Moynalvey lads who hurl with Kiltale will be able to concentrate fully on football the following weekend whereas should Kiltale get to the hurling final I imagine they might not be fully committed to the relegation battle. I know it's hypothetical but should the relegation final be postponed until after the hurling final if Kiltale are participating? It's not like that the result holds up a Leinster club competition so why rush?"
Absolutely no chance this will happen or should happen. The fixture is made and teams are preparing for it. Lads playing hurling as well is totally irrelevant in this that's their choice.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 842 - 29/09/2023 09:35:55    2506199

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Replying To Foley91:  "Do you think Skryne who have no dual players will agree to that. The new split season is very hard on dual players playing every week and the new relegation set up means even when out of the championship dual players have to keep playing. So in this scenario Skryne have the advantage as their player have no risk of injury on a hurling weekend."
Meath need to seriously look at playing the Hurling championship first before the football championship. It is taking far to long play the hurling championship, which started before football and will finish after the football championship. Weather this time of year is not conducive to Hurling either. Not fair on dual players jumping from one to the other every week.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 899 - 29/09/2023 10:00:13    2506203

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Meath need to seriously look at playing the Hurling championship first before the football championship. It is taking far to long play the hurling championship, which started before football and will finish after the football championship. Weather this time of year is not conducive to Hurling either. Not fair on dual players jumping from one to the other every week."
Yes that should be investigated. Shorten the hurling championship but play it before the football. More lads might actually keep playing if it didn't interfere with football. Alot of the silly cups in football amd hurling need to go.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 417 - 29/09/2023 10:58:16    2506211

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Replying To Foley91:  "Yes that should be investigated. Shorten the hurling championship but play it before the football. More lads might actually keep playing if it didn't interfere with football. Alot of the silly cups in football amd hurling need to go."
Agreed

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19409 - 30/09/2023 08:31:58    2506327

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Agreed"
Wexford played out the hurling completely before football.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 474 - 01/10/2023 18:48:11    2506487

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Wexford played out the hurling completely before football."
They are not all happy in Wexford with the present setup, they claim that their hurling champions are stale by the time the Leinster club championship starts. Hard to please everyone I suppose. Also when the Carlow champions beat them it was a very lame excuse as the final of both championships were played on the same day.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1058 - 01/10/2023 20:06:04    2506502

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What's done is done as they say however I for one am not happy with the relegation format in the county.

Commiserations to Moynalvey who were actually in with a fighting chance of making the quarters in the last group game until Ratoath didn't really bother too much with the Cilles game resulting in a 6 point win for the cilles.

Moynalveys rewards ? Relegated , 3 points, finished 3rd and relegated by a team they beat in the group stages that had 0 points to show at the end of group stage.

Its not right lads when you try digest it all.

Needs to change, bottom team in semis, end of. Third place should not come into it, if you finish bottom you probably deserve to be in relegation battle but finishing 3rd should be rewarded with something and not a relegation dogfight/shootout over a possible number of weeks.

Just my opinion.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1035 - 11/10/2023 17:44:50    2507934

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Replying To thelutch:  "What's done is done as they say however I for one am not happy with the relegation format in the county.

Commiserations to Moynalvey who were actually in with a fighting chance of making the quarters in the last group game until Ratoath didn't really bother too much with the Cilles game resulting in a 6 point win for the cilles.

Moynalveys rewards ? Relegated , 3 points, finished 3rd and relegated by a team they beat in the group stages that had 0 points to show at the end of group stage.

Its not right lads when you try digest it all.

Needs to change, bottom team in semis, end of. Third place should not come into it, if you finish bottom you probably deserve to be in relegation battle but finishing 3rd should be rewarded with something and not a relegation dogfight/shootout over a possible number of weeks.

Just my opinion."
Couldn't agree more. Having 3rd place teams in relegation is utterly ridiculous. Not only were Moynalvey very unlucky to finish 3rd but they then ended up playing a Dunboyne team in the semi who I think we can all agree shouldn't have been there either after finishing 3rd by conceding a last second freak goal and they were always going to get well beaten there once Dunboyne performed which they did.

As you rightly said the 4 bottom teams into relegation semi finals and the 4 3rd place teams finished . If you are finishing bottom you are most likely on 0 points or 1 point from 3 games so deserve to be in relegation trouble. Perhaps the very odd time a team might finish bottom with 2 points and maybe would be unlucky but that would be rare I would say.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 842 - 12/10/2023 10:57:59    2507999

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Couldn't agree more. Having 3rd place teams in relegation is utterly ridiculous. Not only were Moynalvey very unlucky to finish 3rd but they then ended up playing a Dunboyne team in the semi who I think we can all agree shouldn't have been there either after finishing 3rd by conceding a last second freak goal and they were always going to get well beaten there once Dunboyne performed which they did.

As you rightly said the 4 bottom teams into relegation semi finals and the 4 3rd place teams finished . If you are finishing bottom you are most likely on 0 points or 1 point from 3 games so deserve to be in relegation trouble. Perhaps the very odd time a team might finish bottom with 2 points and maybe would be unlucky but that would be rare I would say."
Add into it the fact we have dead rubbers then because the bottom team are in relegation regardless if they win their last game. Its meath county board tho what can u expect decision wise

Ed2010 (Meath) - Posts: 77 - 12/10/2023 12:24:18    2508013

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Replying To thelutch:  "What's done is done as they say however I for one am not happy with the relegation format in the county.

Commiserations to Moynalvey who were actually in with a fighting chance of making the quarters in the last group game until Ratoath didn't really bother too much with the Cilles game resulting in a 6 point win for the cilles.

Moynalveys rewards ? Relegated , 3 points, finished 3rd and relegated by a team they beat in the group stages that had 0 points to show at the end of group stage.

Its not right lads when you try digest it all.

Needs to change, bottom team in semis, end of. Third place should not come into it, if you finish bottom you probably deserve to be in relegation battle but finishing 3rd should be rewarded with something and not a relegation dogfight/shootout over a possible number of weeks.

Just my opinion."
Totally agree. Third placed teams should not be in relegation. But there should also be seeding of teams before groups are drawn. The four semi finalists from the previous year should be first seeds going into four separate groups. The four beaten quarter finalists should be second seeds also going into four separate groups. This would prevent one group having 4 of the top teams in it and another group having 4 weak teams.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 317 - 16/10/2023 11:32:37    2508599

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "Totally agree. Third placed teams should not be in relegation. But there should also be seeding of teams before groups are drawn. The four semi finalists from the previous year should be first seeds going into four separate groups. The four beaten quarter finalists should be second seeds also going into four separate groups. This would prevent one group having 4 of the top teams in it and another group having 4 weak teams."
If all SFC 16 teams were ranked after the group stages, Moynalvey would have finished in the top half of the table in eight place with 3 points, ahead of Dunboyne, Don/Ash, Na Fianna, Curraha & Ballinabrackey on 2 points, ahead of Senchalstown on 1 point and Skryne and Gael Colmcille on zero points.
It is not right that a team who have a better record (after the group stages) than more than half of the other teams in the Senior Championship have to go into a relegation Quarterfinal.
I am not from Moynalvey but I think it was very unfair on them and in my opinion is not right.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 47 - 25/10/2023 08:32:18    2510158

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Replying To madmeath:  "If all SFC 16 teams were ranked after the group stages, Moynalvey would have finished in the top half of the table in eight place with 3 points, ahead of Dunboyne, Don/Ash, Na Fianna, Curraha & Ballinabrackey on 2 points, ahead of Senchalstown on 1 point and Skryne and Gael Colmcille on zero points.
It is not right that a team who have a better record (after the group stages) than more than half of the other teams in the Senior Championship have to go into a relegation Quarterfinal.
I am not from Moynalvey but I think it was very unfair on them and in my opinion is not right."
You make a valid point madmeath but the number of points a team gets in an individual group is irrelevant when there is no seeding as some groups may be much stronger than other groups. Seeding based on previous years performance would ensure groups would be fairly even.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 317 - 25/10/2023 10:12:37    2510171

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "You make a valid point madmeath but the number of points a team gets in an individual group is irrelevant when there is no seeding as some groups may be much stronger than other groups. Seeding based on previous years performance would ensure groups would be fairly even."
I would be a fan of seeding, probably 4 semi finalists, seeded in group 1 to 4 and open draw for rest, however looking back at this year's championship for a moment, take st colmcille for insurance, drew with moynalvey, beat ratoath and then lost to don/ash, who were beaten by dunsaughlin and curragha but gave summerhill a bit of a fright . These results along with some more surprises kept it very interesting all the same. But i think the 4 semi finalists should not be in a situation to end up in the same group in next year's championship.

royler (Meath) - Posts: 256 - 25/10/2023 13:28:36    2510233

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I like the system they have in donegal.
All 16 teams in 1 gp. You play 4 games Open draw every week to see who you play. After 4 games are played top 4 points wise are into quater finals positions 5-12 play off for othe 4 quater final places teams 13-16 into relagation semi finals.

Islander21 (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 25/10/2023 15:06:13    2510263

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Replying To Crinigan: "We have become a basket case.

Look at the Junior A relegation fiasco. Despite a relegation playoff being ran that involved a gripping final that went to extra time, county board have decided that no, Ultans won't after all be relegated. You couldn't make it up. Beyond a farce and puts into question the integrity of every relegation match in the future on the county club scene."
Hmmm. In 2021 the Meath County Board decided to relegate four clubs from the junior A championship including a preliminary quater finals. In 2022 there were three teams relegated. Now the latest is that there was in fact no relegation in 2023 despite a large number of games to determine who was relegated including extra time in a play off and no relegation in 2024 either. Anyone care to make sense of this?
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 14/02/2024 20:00:22 2526103

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 14/02/2024 20:12:44    2526104

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Replying To Crinigan: "We have become a basket case.

Look at the Junior A relegation fiasco. Despite a relegation playoff being ran that involved a gripping final that went to extra time, county board have decided that no, Ultans won't after all be relegated. You couldn't make it up. Beyond a farce and puts into question the integrity of every relegation match in the future on the county club scene."
Hmmm. In 2021 the Meath County Board decided to relegate four clubs from the junior A championship including a preliminary quater finals. In 2022 there were three teams relegated. Now the latest is that there was in fact no relegation in 2023 despite a large number of games to determine who was relegated including extra time in a play off and no relegation in 2024 either. Anyone care to make sense of this?
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 14/02/2024 20:00:22 2526103"
It's an absolute farce changing rules every year no relegation in junior a now this year it's so pointless even trying to understand the county board at this stage there making it up as they go

Meathfor@life (Meath) - Posts: 55 - 14/02/2024 21:55:07    2526118

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Replying To Meathfor@life:  "It's an absolute farce changing rules every year no relegation in junior a now this year it's so pointless even trying to understand the county board at this stage there making it up as they go"
With no relegation and with a group of 3 teams a team will only play 2 championship games,an awful lot of training and preparation for just 2 games

royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 255 - 15/02/2024 13:50:56    2526194

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Replying To royal1967:  "With no relegation and with a group of 3 teams a team will only play 2 championship games,an awful lot of training and preparation for just 2 games"
Hurling clubs are guaranteed 6 championship games this year with the new structure while we are giving 12 football clubs across Junior A and B just two championship games.

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 250 - 15/02/2024 14:22:03    2526206

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Replying To royal1967:  "With no relegation and with a group of 3 teams a team will only play 2 championship games,an awful lot of training and preparation for just 2 games"
Yeah makes no sense

Meathfor@life (Meath) - Posts: 55 - 15/02/2024 19:03:22    2526258

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