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Clare V Meath. Rd 6

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Replying To Ashrules:  "No, I was not talking about changing manager. The way the team is picked now is not acceptable at inter county level. He would still pick his own son if he could even though the lad clearly was burning out and in need of a break (not good player welfare or fair to other players).
My question is could the team selection be done by someone more objective. Only criticism of this manager is cronyism. Otherwise He is clearly a very good person."
You obviously missed the team sheet on sunday so where he did pick his son to start, Shane might be on a tour of duty but his other son isn't ;)

David Mcentee was lining out at 7 on Sunday but was replaced before the start of the match

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 23/03/2022 09:53:20    2406610

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "The handling of the situation was a mess and the biggest thing for me was why it was allowed to get to so near the championship, if Flynn wouldn't manage without the county players then why didn't he leave months earlier. I highly highly doubt he was told he'd have the players and then 2 weeks before was told differently. So something about it seems fishy to me. And you say Boylan allowed access to under 21's but there wasn't a rule that said you couldn't play both back then. If in 1996 Giles, Fay, Mark O'Reilly, Paddy Reynolds and Barry Callaghan couldn't play senior if they played 21's I wonder what would have happened. Also I'm not denying what a great Meath legend Bernard Flynn is and I think the more we can do to engage the legends in some way with the current players the better and I'm also in agreement that I think 20's should be left to play 20's (unless you're an all Ireland contender and the player is a guaranteed senior starter maybe) but I don't think that 20's team with or without those players were going to achieve much because I don't believe in Flynn as a a manager and I hated how he left a panel of young lads many of whom will never play for Meath again high and dry right before championship and then continued to publicise it and beg for sympathy. It didn't reflect well on anybody. Didn't reflect well on the senior management or the 20's management and definitely didn't reflect well on the county board who a) couldn't sort it and b) remained silent on it. But anyway like I said it's in the past and let's move on with this year and how to improve for future years"
Good points LR, think i might've mistook you a little in placing everything at Flynn's door, but can see now your assign blaming to everyone. And that's the major issue is that there's blame all round and no joined up thinking which is killing us as a county.

I think we took a positive step in Oct/Nov and appointed McCarthy and O'bric as U20 managers for their respective minor teams and would have time to prep them. You'd hope the same would happen with whomever is looking after this years minors and allow the cycle to continue. Hopefully the next step will be to have a sort of director of football working with all underage teams and developing a style of play for all age grades to feed into the senior team, but ensuring the lads are working on their basic skills and enjoying their football rather than systems etc.

As you say hopefully they've learned a lesson and can move on ;)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 23/03/2022 10:04:39    2406616

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "This is a far better and more relevant argument. I can't comment fully because unfortunately due to Covid I couldn't attend the game and had to settle for the radio. I would imagine Clare were far more organised defensively that Cork work for one. And it was mentioned post game that the semi drive and intensity and directness weren't there. Not fully sure why the Cork performance was so much better than the rest of the league performances. I certainly don't think our game plan is to play slow and lateral but our performances have been like that and that is extremely frustrating. This week is a good litmus test against a better team so hopefully we can rise to it"
You dont know so.we played with one man up front for pretty much most of the game.something we did in a leinster final with 4 pts scored.its horrendous to watch. this isnt a new thing thats just materialised its consistent now for last 3 yrs.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 23/03/2022 11:06:25    2406633

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Replying To mr.lucky:  "Maybe it just me, but I feel too much is being expected of the lads in ff line, Morris and Walsh are 21 going 22 and have been thrown in the deep end with no established senior players around them to help. I think of the likes of O'Donoghue with Mayo and how Cillian O'Conner has probably help him settle in from underage to senior football. I also see a big deal being made about height. If a player is good enough he should be playing regardless of size, good player can come in all shapes and sizes. Morris, Walsh and O Sullivan named the last day couldn't be considered a "small" inside line. Jimmy Hyland, Jamie Brennan, McCurry, Darragh Canavan, Cormac Costello are all div.1 forwards playing well and are "slight" in stature. These are talented bunch of lads and hopefully in the future we see the best out of them with the new management. I mean, we also had the top scorer in club football in Ireland last year playing in Meath…."
Top scorer in club football in Ireland. Is that Aaron Lynch?

Is there a link to this statistic?

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 223 - 23/03/2022 11:26:39    2406640

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "You dont know so.we played with one man up front for pretty much most of the game.something we did in a leinster final with 4 pts scored.its horrendous to watch. this isnt a new thing thats just materialised its consistent now for last 3 yrs."
Honestly just watch any county play football for long passages they end up with 1 or none up front. Most of the time this isn't by choice it's because you're tracking a back who's run back to defend. If you think this is horrendous to watch then that's what football is now. There are games occasionally where the structure is more set because backs aren't dragging forwards back down the pitch and more kicking happens (like Meath against Cork). Also yes Meath scored 4 points against Dublin in 2019 and then scored 2-16 against Clare 2 weeks later and had scored 3-13 against Laois 2 weeks before. So it wasn't a tactical decision that led to 6 points. It was the fact we were playing the best team of all time and that we kicked a load of wides. And yes we play a running game but that's because it suits our best players (Keoghan, Menton, Hickey, Jones, O'Sullivan). I agree that we should be more direct in attack but when we are playing well that is what we do. We run directly at teams. I don't think we have the inside forwards and the ball winners to play a kicking game. But if you think a new management would have us playing a style like Kerry then fair enough

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1447 - 23/03/2022 12:36:43    2406661

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Honestly just watch any county play football for long passages they end up with 1 or none up front. Most of the time this isn't by choice it's because you're tracking a back who's run back to defend. If you think this is horrendous to watch then that's what football is now. There are games occasionally where the structure is more set because backs aren't dragging forwards back down the pitch and more kicking happens (like Meath against Cork). Also yes Meath scored 4 points against Dublin in 2019 and then scored 2-16 against Clare 2 weeks later and had scored 3-13 against Laois 2 weeks before. So it wasn't a tactical decision that led to 6 points. It was the fact we were playing the best team of all time and that we kicked a load of wides. And yes we play a running game but that's because it suits our best players (Keoghan, Menton, Hickey, Jones, O'Sullivan). I agree that we should be more direct in attack but when we are playing well that is what we do. We run directly at teams. I don't think we have the inside forwards and the ball winners to play a kicking game. But if you think a new management would have us playing a style like Kerry then fair enough"
Cork we kicked it,clare we ran it ok.my opinion is a mix of both it can be acheived.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 23/03/2022 14:32:11    2406691

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Cork we kicked it,clare we ran it ok.my opinion is a mix of both it can be acheived."
I think in Cork we done both. And I agree you need to do both. My point was it isn't our tactic to not kick the ball I just think it's a lack of confidence from the player with the possibility of kicking it in or it's a lack of confidence from the players in the abilities of the forwards to a) win the ball and b) do something with it when they are given it. Let's hope we see some more direct play and mixing the running attack with some longer balls in on Sunday

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1447 - 23/03/2022 14:55:25    2406702

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Honestly just watch any county play football for long passages they end up with 1 or none up front. Most of the time this isn't by choice it's because you're tracking a back who's run back to defend. If you think this is horrendous to watch then that's what football is now. There are games occasionally where the structure is more set because backs aren't dragging forwards back down the pitch and more kicking happens (like Meath against Cork). Also yes Meath scored 4 points against Dublin in 2019 and then scored 2-16 against Clare 2 weeks later and had scored 3-13 against Laois 2 weeks before. So it wasn't a tactical decision that led to 6 points. It was the fact we were playing the best team of all time and that we kicked a load of wides. And yes we play a running game but that's because it suits our best players (Keoghan, Menton, Hickey, Jones, O'Sullivan). I agree that we should be more direct in attack but when we are playing well that is what we do. We run directly at teams. I don't think we have the inside forwards and the ball winners to play a kicking game. But if you think a new management would have us playing a style like Kerry then fair enough"
Yeah it's like the lateral passing. Every county does it, including the Kerry's Donegals Tyrone's mayo's and Dublin. We seem to highlight maybe more than most. It's not pretty to see but everyone does it. And tbh I can't see it changing anytime soon.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/03/2022 15:51:23    2406716

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Replying To brian:  "You obviously missed the team sheet on sunday so where he did pick his son to start, Shane might be on a tour of duty but his other son isn't ;)

David Mcentee was lining out at 7 on Sunday but was replaced before the start of the match"
Bit unfair with that comment Brian.
On the programme Padraig Harnan was listed as 6 and Cathal Hickey as 7. Neither togged out in the end and their jerseys were worn by James Toher and David McEntee. I don't think either of those guys were set to start.

As an aside Robbie Brennan was sat near where we were in the stand. Maybe he just happened to be down that way…….

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 23/03/2022 16:53:39    2406736

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Replying To brian:  "You obviously missed the team sheet on sunday so where he did pick his son to start, Shane might be on a tour of duty but his other son isn't ;)

David Mcentee was lining out at 7 on Sunday but was replaced before the start of the match"
Thats enough

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 25/03/2022 19:31:39    2407102

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