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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well said"
Well said.....

Are you totally ignoring the following

Galway we were told were missing 4/5 of their starting defence and other players. They also had multiple players involved with the Sigerson winning NUIG team who were playing weekly
Roscommon were missing the Padraic Pearses panelists
Down missing all their Kilcoo contingent

It could be argued our 3 opponents were missing even more than us. As Seadog also added McGill and Menton 2 of the supposed leaders of this team haven't exactly been shining lights in the last two years and are a microcosm of the regression that's been widespread within the squad since 2019.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 24/02/2022 10:00:39    2402163

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Replying To brian:  "Well said.....

Are you totally ignoring the following

Galway we were told were missing 4/5 of their starting defence and other players. They also had multiple players involved with the Sigerson winning NUIG team who were playing weekly
Roscommon were missing the Padraic Pearses panelists
Down missing all their Kilcoo contingent

It could be argued our 3 opponents were missing even more than us. As Seadog also added McGill and Menton 2 of the supposed leaders of this team haven't exactly been shining lights in the last two years and are a microcosm of the regression that's been widespread within the squad since 2019."
The problem in Meath is that we don't have adequate replacements for players of this quality, whereas other counties at our level have more strength in depth. Why is this ? That is another debate !

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 319 - 24/02/2022 12:50:01    2402203

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "The problem in Meath is that we don't have adequate replacements for players of this quality, whereas other counties at our level have more strength in depth. Why is this ? That is another debate !"
i do agree with you on this we don't have adequate depth and those starting are not much better than the depth or panel behind them,

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 24/02/2022 13:00:52    2402205

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "The problem in Meath is that we don't have adequate replacements for players of this quality, whereas other counties at our level have more strength in depth. Why is this ? That is another debate !"
Ahh now you tryin to talk sense to Brian. Is like putin saying he is not invading Ukraine. It just won't work

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/02/2022 15:00:07    2402231

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I think the point about getting McGill, Menton and Jones all back into the starting line up and fit is the boost it gives to the over all squad. McGills form has dipped slightly since say 2018 but to say he's regressed hugely is completely outlandish, he's still the best Full back in the county by a fair bit and is definitely a leader on that team. Menton the same, he guarantees almost a point if not two himself per game, not to mind the driving force he gives through the middle both attacking and defending. These lads may have had a poor season last year by the high standards they had set previously but they are definitely not in any way poor or past it players. Having them back may help to release other lads to play with more freedom and hopefully allow us to kick on and start to improve performances and scoring output.

I agree with one of the previous posters in that we would definitely have beaten down with the 3 lads available and possibly Roscommon as I would hope that a stronger spine to the team with McGill, Menton and Jones meant we wouldn't have conceded so many at the end of the first half. Calmer heads were needed to manage the half against the breeze. #

Div 2 safety isn't by any means a guarantee but I think it is something we are completely capable of and will hopefully have done before the Derry game. After that, we can only wait and see how the Championship pans out, hopefully have everyone fit and just give it a rattle. Given the Dubs dominance over the last decade, I've never gone out expecting us to win Leinster or an All Ireland but I've still gone out in the hope that we might have one excellent day that causes the shock and we do win one of them, and I'll still do the same this year

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 556 - 24/02/2022 15:04:40    2402232

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Replying To ratlag:  "I think the point about getting McGill, Menton and Jones all back into the starting line up and fit is the boost it gives to the over all squad. McGills form has dipped slightly since say 2018 but to say he's regressed hugely is completely outlandish, he's still the best Full back in the county by a fair bit and is definitely a leader on that team. Menton the same, he guarantees almost a point if not two himself per game, not to mind the driving force he gives through the middle both attacking and defending. These lads may have had a poor season last year by the high standards they had set previously but they are definitely not in any way poor or past it players. Having them back may help to release other lads to play with more freedom and hopefully allow us to kick on and start to improve performances and scoring output.

I agree with one of the previous posters in that we would definitely have beaten down with the 3 lads available and possibly Roscommon as I would hope that a stronger spine to the team with McGill, Menton and Jones meant we wouldn't have conceded so many at the end of the first half. Calmer heads were needed to manage the half against the breeze. #

Div 2 safety isn't by any means a guarantee but I think it is something we are completely capable of and will hopefully have done before the Derry game. After that, we can only wait and see how the Championship pans out, hopefully have everyone fit and just give it a rattle. Given the Dubs dominance over the last decade, I've never gone out expecting us to win Leinster or an All Ireland but I've still gone out in the hope that we might have one excellent day that causes the shock and we do win one of them, and I'll still do the same this year"
Good post ratlag.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 319 - 24/02/2022 15:52:47    2402245

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Replying To ratlag:  "I think the point about getting McGill, Menton and Jones all back into the starting line up and fit is the boost it gives to the over all squad. McGills form has dipped slightly since say 2018 but to say he's regressed hugely is completely outlandish, he's still the best Full back in the county by a fair bit and is definitely a leader on that team. Menton the same, he guarantees almost a point if not two himself per game, not to mind the driving force he gives through the middle both attacking and defending. These lads may have had a poor season last year by the high standards they had set previously but they are definitely not in any way poor or past it players. Having them back may help to release other lads to play with more freedom and hopefully allow us to kick on and start to improve performances and scoring output.

I agree with one of the previous posters in that we would definitely have beaten down with the 3 lads available and possibly Roscommon as I would hope that a stronger spine to the team with McGill, Menton and Jones meant we wouldn't have conceded so many at the end of the first half. Calmer heads were needed to manage the half against the breeze. #

Div 2 safety isn't by any means a guarantee but I think it is something we are completely capable of and will hopefully have done before the Derry game. After that, we can only wait and see how the Championship pans out, hopefully have everyone fit and just give it a rattle. Given the Dubs dominance over the last decade, I've never gone out expecting us to win Leinster or an All Ireland but I've still gone out in the hope that we might have one excellent day that causes the shock and we do win one of them, and I'll still do the same this year"
Good points well made ratlag. Having the three players might've made a difference in some of the games but we'll just never know. As i said to kingofclubs you'll never have a full deck to chose from at the best of times and every team is the same. I know both of you were reasonable in the points you make about the boost they would've given us but some on here are quite lazy (neither of you) and will say oh we're missing these 4 players and not comment on the fact that opposing teams were missing as many if not more than us and there's no excuse about those opposing teams didn't have. It's not the Meath way to whinge as some have (and i'm not saying you are doing that at all) about what we don't have and its why we were always so well respected. We played the cards we were dealt, no moaning and got on with it.

As you say hopefully we can maintain division 2 status and as you rightly say that's not guaranteed and if we do slip to division 3 as some have said it might not be the worst thing to happen.

Hopefully we'll get a great day out in the sun as i think we're long overdue one. Is 2010 the last time we beat a really top side in the championship?

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 24/02/2022 16:31:59    2402249

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Replying To brian:  "Good points well made ratlag. Having the three players might've made a difference in some of the games but we'll just never know. As i said to kingofclubs you'll never have a full deck to chose from at the best of times and every team is the same. I know both of you were reasonable in the points you make about the boost they would've given us but some on here are quite lazy (neither of you) and will say oh we're missing these 4 players and not comment on the fact that opposing teams were missing as many if not more than us and there's no excuse about those opposing teams didn't have. It's not the Meath way to whinge as some have (and i'm not saying you are doing that at all) about what we don't have and its why we were always so well respected. We played the cards we were dealt, no moaning and got on with it.

As you say hopefully we can maintain division 2 status and as you rightly say that's not guaranteed and if we do slip to division 3 as some have said it might not be the worst thing to happen.

Hopefully we'll get a great day out in the sun as i think we're long overdue one. Is 2010 the last time we beat a really top side in the championship?"
Ah yea I'm definitely not whinging about what we don't/didn't have and even without the lads, I wasn't obviously disappointed with the three games so far and the performances by the players. I just wouldn't write the season off as a bust after three games, knowing the lads we have to come back and the lift they can give to the others around them. Every team has been missing players so far (as they are every year) and we can't use that as our excuse for what we've seen, but I don't accept that this team "is one of the worst in our history" or that "this is the lowest ebb of meath football" for a long time. I'll keep going to the league games, hope we don't get any more injuries, while at the same time welcoming back lads who will be chomping at the bit to not only help their team out on the pitch, but also shut the mouths of the so called 'fans' in the stands as well, and like you said, hopefully we will get a great day out in the sun...........a mighty long shot at the moment, but I've seen Leciester win a premier league, Meath ladies win a Senior championship Tiger Woods come back and win a Masters on his come back so nothing is impossible

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 556 - 24/02/2022 17:06:08    2402251

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Replying To ratlag:  "Ah yea I'm definitely not whinging about what we don't/didn't have and even without the lads, I wasn't obviously disappointed with the three games so far and the performances by the players. I just wouldn't write the season off as a bust after three games, knowing the lads we have to come back and the lift they can give to the others around them. Every team has been missing players so far (as they are every year) and we can't use that as our excuse for what we've seen, but I don't accept that this team "is one of the worst in our history" or that "this is the lowest ebb of meath football" for a long time. I'll keep going to the league games, hope we don't get any more injuries, while at the same time welcoming back lads who will be chomping at the bit to not only help their team out on the pitch, but also shut the mouths of the so called 'fans' in the stands as well, and like you said, hopefully we will get a great day out in the sun...........a mighty long shot at the moment, but I've seen Leciester win a premier league, Meath ladies win a Senior championship Tiger Woods come back and win a Masters on his come back so nothing is impossible"
Great post ratlag ;)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 24/02/2022 17:34:19    2402256

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh now you tryin to talk sense to Brian. Is like putin saying he is not invading Ukraine. It just won't work"
Nothing constructive to add bar pot shots and personal insults.

It's great that most people on here can provide a balanced and reasonable opinion, will listen to what others have to say and respect their points of view, and engage in good discussions.

When you have to resorting to gutter tactics and name calling it only highlights your complete inability to put forth a proper and reasoned point of view and reflects the person you really are.

It's good to know I live rent free in your head.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 24/02/2022 17:41:55    2402258

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Replying To brian:  "Nothing constructive to add bar pot shots and personal insults.

It's great that most people on here can provide a balanced and reasonable opinion, will listen to what others have to say and respect their points of view, and engage in good discussions.

When you have to resorting to gutter tactics and name calling it only highlights your complete inability to put forth a proper and reasoned point of view and reflects the person you really are.

It's good to know I live rent free in your head."
Not at all but I do in urs. And it makes my day :).

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/02/2022 21:07:20    2402279

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