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To Legendzxix - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 02/10/2014 21:08:52 1659568 Link 0 |
legendzxix GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/10/2014 21:28:20 1659577 Link 0 |
Grand, the Tommy Murphy Cup can be presented to the Intermediate Championship winner! The winner can be flown off to New York in the spring after the league. All counties not getting past qualifier round 2 to be entered to the second tier. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 02/10/2014 21:53:48 1659594 Link 0 |
legendzxix GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/10/2014 14:01:42 1659758 Link 0 |
Some people on here saying that all counties should compete for Sam, even though it's plain to everyone that quite a number (Meath are borderline) are nowhere near being competitive at this level. By the rational being expressed by some, you could extend that to all clubs and say they all should have a chance to compete for the SFC in their counties. The reason for different competitions in club is to allow them be competitive some level. Once proven i.e. win the bloody thing, they move up to the next level or they achieve a level in the league which shows that they can be competitive at a higher level. Same should apply at IC, give weaker counties a chance to compete for something realistic on an annual basis, and allow them to develop and move up/down accordingly to resources/players etc. Most weaker county panels are broken up by mid June, and get back together again the following Jan, probably with a host of changes and no real chance to develop as a unit. I believe that a competitive structure where these panels stay together longer and develop, would be a big help. Separate competitions with some form of promotion/relegation, and proper scheduling to run the competitions over a shorter time. moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 03/10/2014 14:50:07 1659788 Link 0 |
Agree entirely with Moylagh, coming from one of the weaker counties I believe it is high time to introduce a tiered structure to the championship. . My proposal would be 12 snr, 12 inter and 9 jnr teams competing for 3 separate all-irelands, the jnr and inter finals could be played at HQ on the Sat of AI weekend. northernsoul (Leitrim) - Posts: 78 - 03/10/2014 15:43:41 1659814 Link 0 |
The reality is that the Tommy Murphy Cup was following on from the naming convention used in hurling's lower tiers. A proper intermediate championship will have teams competing in it as their only level with promotion for the winner. I cannot see the support for that at congress. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 03/10/2014 15:45:20 1659816 Link 0 |
As I've said before, this was the greatest thread on this topic - so I dug this out despite the high proliferation of other similar postings - it seems the Administrator lost control of consolidation :) omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 19/10/2014 20:36:16 1665263 Link 0 |
Should the weakest teams get 3 chances ? This would give them more matches and would most likely not affect the business end of the championship. In fact the change below gives everyone a minimum of 3 matches (not unlike round robin play). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 03/11/2014 16:22:56 1669428 Link 0 |
No the NFL or similar should decide whole thing. The provincial Competitions are long past their sell by date. I'd say there will be more at the Tyrone Dublin League match than there will be at the entire Munster Football Championship in 2015. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 03/11/2014 17:39:17 1669443 Link 0 |
Yes, but in my idea 'Dub v Tyr' may occur during the 'front door' 8 prov finalists 'Champs Rds' and again during the AI Series. Better than what we have. And I agree, re the Muns Championship - the weak 4 of Munster should be set up for defeat in my Qual Rd 3, if not in with a chance of winning a TMC QF. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 03/11/2014 18:31:09 1669464 Link 0 |
On reflection, the only thing worth considering would be something that reflected performance in the league. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 03/11/2014 18:35:34 1669465 Link 0 |
You need to keep provincial championships. Gives smaller counties a chance to win silverware and beat higher ranked sides doing so ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/11/2014 19:59:53 1669489 Link 0 |
I have a prov stream (4 champs), continuing thru champs rounds; a TMC stream; and a Qualifying steam (3rd match for all). Would it be better to have prov losing SFlists going thru the TMC stream, or straight to Qualifiers (2nd chance only) ? While guaranteeing everyone at least a Qual 3rd Rd berth, does this not level the playing field while preserving the prov lopsided structure ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 04/11/2014 16:15:07 1669668 Link 0 |
Don't agree with a 3rd chance. If you are beaten twice you have had enough goes at it. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 04/11/2014 17:13:17 1669683 Link 0 |
I have a suggestion for a championship format but, if God spares me and I don't forget to do it, I'm going to wait till next April 1 to reveal it. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 05/11/2014 09:29:09 1669754 Link 0 |
There is an argument for preliminary round losers to get an extra chance as they are starting a round earlier than other teams. An agreeable solution for that however is difficult to see. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 06/11/2014 11:42:13 1670055 Link 0 |
That was thought process entirely - No need for a Muns v Conn champs playoff, if there is a 3rd chance at the lower end. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 06/11/2014 18:16:48 1670259 Link 0 |
legendzxix Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/11/2014 18:54:56 1670271 Link 0 |
Interesting point regards provincial finalists automatically meeting in the preliminary round in the following year. Will it get through a motion at congress? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 06/11/2014 21:58:23 1670337 Link 0 |