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CSO population projections (based on 2022 Census) indicate that under high-migration scenarios, net inward migration could account for ~91% of growth to 2057.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/16/irish-population-could-grow-to-over-7m-by-2057-says-cso/

Even the Irish Times has reported it.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4204 - 18/04/2026 13:38:28    2667035

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Replying To Commodore:  "Irish Equality legislation is flawed and needs to be changed, as it is downgrading the rights of tax contributing Irish Citizens to the same priority status as incoming refugees and immigrants who have contributed nothing to the State.

Irish Equality legislation includes nine Protected Grounds:
- Gender,
- Civil status,
- Family status,
- Sexual orientation,
- Religious belief,
- Age, disability,
- Race (including nationality or ethnic origin).
- Membership of the Traveller community.

The Irish Government are the legal legislators for the Irish state, they can amend existing legislation where necessary."
So we are sticking with simplistic MAGA style politics. Fair enough.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 202 - 18/04/2026 14:11:58    2667039

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Indeed it is. Read the latest CSO population projections."
You didn't read my question. Your grasp of past, present and future is poor. It's April 2026. What have projections got to do with the present?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8523 - 18/04/2026 14:33:12    2667045

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So we are sticking with simplistic MAGA style politics. Fair enough."
Prioritising your own people is what all sane countries do.

Not the opposite!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4204 - 18/04/2026 14:51:23    2667053

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "CSO population projections (based on 2022 Census) indicate that under high-migration scenarios, net inward migration could account for ~91% of growth to 2057.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/16/irish-population-could-grow-to-over-7m-by-2057-says-cso/

Even the Irish Times has reported it."
Come on Barney. This immigration seems to be a hobby horse of yours. Tell us your solution. Ban them all? Time to nail your colours to the mast. I was in for treatment yesterday. The ward I was in had probably 12 to 15 staff. Possibly 3 "native Irish" as the hard right would say. What kind of health service would we have without them. And these are just healthcare workers. Go look at the staffing numbers in the nursing homes. Other walks of life they are doing works that the hard right wouldn't dirty their hands with. That is if many of them work at all as the same people seem to be able to attend every dinner and dogfight of a parade going. Then, hey presto, the aristocratic Englishman who changed his name to a commoner seems to be able to turn up at a moments notice to fire things up. Not that I am aligning you with these people for a moment, far from it, as I reckon you are on the left of our politics, as indeed I was once, still am but probably more left of centre nowadays. But there is a fine line to be drawn.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2233 - 18/04/2026 15:06:58    2667060

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Come on Barney. This immigration seems to be a hobby horse of yours. Tell us your solution. Ban them all? Time to nail your colours to the mast. I was in for treatment yesterday. The ward I was in had probably 12 to 15 staff. Possibly 3 "native Irish" as the hard right would say. What kind of health service would we have without them. And these are just healthcare workers. Go look at the staffing numbers in the nursing homes. Other walks of life they are doing works that the hard right wouldn't dirty their hands with. That is if many of them work at all as the same people seem to be able to attend every dinner and dogfight of a parade going. Then, hey presto, the aristocratic Englishman who changed his name to a commoner seems to be able to turn up at a moments notice to fire things up. Not that I am aligning you with these people for a moment, far from it, as I reckon you are on the left of our politics, as indeed I was once, still am but probably more left of centre nowadays. But there is a fine line to be drawn."
It's "hard right" to think that turning any country into one in which people of "native heritage" are on way to becoming a minority?

The SOLE motivation being the interests of multi national capitalism. I suppose to say that is hard right now too?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4204 - 18/04/2026 15:42:57    2667065

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It's "hard right" to think that turning any country into one in which people of "native heritage" are on way to becoming a minority?

The SOLE motivation being the interests of multi national capitalism. I suppose to say that is hard right now too?"
Solutions or suggestions Barney ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2233 - 18/04/2026 16:11:30    2667073

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So we are sticking with simplistic MAGA style politics. Fair enough."
We have between 10,000 - 17,000 Irish people who are homeless, can't get suitable housing in their home Country, and the Irish Government formed by the majority of elected TDs to govern our Country, is allowing in between 80,000 and 100,000 refugees and immigrants and telling the electorate "We can't prioritize Irish people for housing because of our Equality legislation".

We have hospital services crippled across the Country, because they don't have the infrastructure or resources to deal with the mass influx of extra people, as a result we have people sitting in hallways for days sometimes and medical staff run off their feet in A&E.

That is alarming to me, it should be a major concern for all Irish people.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1754 - 18/04/2026 21:53:44    2667115

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Come on Barney. This immigration seems to be a hobby horse of yours. Tell us your solution. Ban them all? Time to nail your colours to the mast. I was in for treatment yesterday. The ward I was in had probably 12 to 15 staff. Possibly 3 "native Irish" as the hard right would say. What kind of health service would we have without them. And these are just healthcare workers. Go look at the staffing numbers in the nursing homes. Other walks of life they are doing works that the hard right wouldn't dirty their hands with. That is if many of them work at all as the same people seem to be able to attend every dinner and dogfight of a parade going. Then, hey presto, the aristocratic Englishman who changed his name to a commoner seems to be able to turn up at a moments notice to fire things up. Not that I am aligning you with these people for a moment, far from it, as I reckon you are on the left of our politics, as indeed I was once, still am but probably more left of centre nowadays. But there is a fine line to be drawn."
Do you personally think there is a immigration problem in Ireland and in Europe?

I'm not anti-Immigration, but seeing the problems caused by excessive immigration over the last 50 years in places like England, Europe and the US, I think there is strong evidence to support the need to control the annual Immigration flow in our Country and indeed other Countries.

Immigration numbers should not exceed 5% of the current total population in total over 20 years, so our population is ~5.3 million at the moment, 5% of that would allow 265,000 people in over 20 years. This would allow the Irish state time to absorb them and adapt infrastructure to accommodate them, also enable incoming people to integrate to their new communities too.

Otherwise you end up with divided Countries and divided Cities like Leicester in England.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1754 - 18/04/2026 22:14:59    2667121

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Replying To Commodore:  "We have between 10,000 - 17,000 Irish people who are homeless, can't get suitable housing in their home Country, and the Irish Government formed by the majority of elected TDs to govern our Country, is allowing in between 80,000 and 100,000 refugees and immigrants and telling the electorate "We can't prioritize Irish people for housing because of our Equality legislation".

We have hospital services crippled across the Country, because they don't have the infrastructure or resources to deal with the mass influx of extra people, as a result we have people sitting in hallways for days sometimes and medical staff run off their feet in A&E.

That is alarming to me, it should be a major concern for all Irish people."
I can assure you that there are not 10 to 17 thousand Irish people living on the streets in ireland.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 202 - 18/04/2026 22:23:36    2667125

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I can assure you that there are not 10 to 17 thousand Irish people living on the streets in ireland."
Just over 17,000 homeless Irish people. Very few non Irish.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2634 - 18/04/2026 23:17:09    2667134

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Replying To Commodore:  "Do you personally think there is a immigration problem in Ireland and in Europe?

I'm not anti-Immigration, but seeing the problems caused by excessive immigration over the last 50 years in places like England, Europe and the US, I think there is strong evidence to support the need to control the annual Immigration flow in our Country and indeed other Countries.

Immigration numbers should not exceed 5% of the current total population in total over 20 years, so our population is ~5.3 million at the moment, 5% of that would allow 265,000 people in over 20 years. This would allow the Irish state time to absorb them and adapt infrastructure to accommodate them, also enable incoming people to integrate to their new communities too.

Otherwise you end up with divided Countries and divided Cities like Leicester in England."
That is a reasoned, well thought out synopsis of where we should stand. One problem is that, should every country in the developed world adopt that or a similar policy, that would not solve the problem of millions of people fleeing wars, created by tyrants, and despots all prioritising personal greed over ruling their countries for the betterment of their populations. Fleeing natural disasters brought on by global warming, which they had no hand in creating, Fleeing countries where religious maniacs have taken away basic human rights particularly from females - possibly a little like our own country in the thirties, forties , fifties and sixties when we flooded England with how many hundreds of thousands of immigrants, driven by our leaders vision of a closed, religious, Irish only state, though not quite as fundamental or radical as the Taliban or Pol
Pot. I am all for some kind of cap on immigration, particularly given the state of our housing situation, but I love would someone to come on here with thoughts on a solution to the above problem. Or do we all just do a Pontious Pilate on the thing, pull up the drawbridge and look the other way ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2233 - 18/04/2026 23:17:47    2667135

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I can assure you that there are not 10 to 17 thousand Irish people living on the streets in ireland."
being homeless doesnt equate to living on the streets

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3967 - 18/04/2026 23:35:20    2667140

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I can assure you that there are not 10 to 17 thousand Irish people living on the streets in ireland."
Homeless does not only mean living on the street, I'm referring to homeless in hotels or other forms of temporary accommodation, and I am not talking about luxurious hotel stays here by the way.

Do you think Ireland is managing well with the current levels of Immigration?

Do you think the levels of immigration that we have been seeing in Ireland is sustainable?

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1754 - 19/04/2026 00:40:15    2667150

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What are the core political differences between Fine Gael and Fianna Fail as political entities? I'm talking about the red line principles that they won't deviate from and which make them unique to each other?

I don't care about Center right or center left type self-descriptions or even party histories, I am talking about core political principles or ideals for each Party that currently differ to such an extent to which they can be distinguished long-term by voters.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1754 - 19/04/2026 00:54:37    2667151

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I can assure you that there are not 10 to 17 thousand Irish people living on the streets in ireland."
Where did he say they were living on the streets??

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1559 - 19/04/2026 08:44:05    2667162

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Replying To Commodore:  "We have between 10,000 - 17,000 Irish people who are homeless, can't get suitable housing in their home Country, and the Irish Government formed by the majority of elected TDs to govern our Country, is allowing in between 80,000 and 100,000 refugees and immigrants and telling the electorate "We can't prioritize Irish people for housing because of our Equality legislation".

We have hospital services crippled across the Country, because they don't have the infrastructure or resources to deal with the mass influx of extra people, as a result we have people sitting in hallways for days sometimes and medical staff run off their feet in A&E.

That is alarming to me, it should be a major concern for all Irish people."
Any time I go to a hospital or clinic I see loads of Irish patients being seen or teated by lots of foreign staff.
How would there be no long waits if those foreign staff weren't there?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 491 - 19/04/2026 09:51:58    2667166

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Any time I go to a hospital or clinic I see loads of Irish patients being seen or teated by lots of foreign staff.
How would there be no long waits if those foreign staff weren't there?"
25% of population is born overseas. Do you think that none of them get sick, old, draw social welfare, get social housing, use buses, schools, and so on and so forth?

There is an insidious narrative here that Irish people are in some way beholden to people from outside of the country - immigrants, EU, tach corporations, housing investment funds and should just sit in the corner and be eternally grateful.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4204 - 19/04/2026 11:11:36    2667170

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "25% of population is born overseas. Do you think that none of them get sick, old, draw social welfare, get social housing, use buses, schools, and so on and so forth?

There is an insidious narrative here that Irish people are in some way beholden to people from outside of the country - immigrants, EU, tach corporations, housing investment funds and should just sit in the corner and be eternally grateful."
Again, Barney, just a few solutions or suggestions. This insidious narrative you are referring to is actually fact. The country is evolving. What are the alternatives that you have in mind ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2233 - 19/04/2026 11:51:13    2667171

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Any time I go to a hospital or clinic I see loads of Irish patients being seen or teated by lots of foreign staff.
How would there be no long waits if those foreign staff weren't there?"
My comment was on the need for "Controlled" immigration, not "Zero" immigration.

Is this a case of Scopto - Where your mind sees what it wants to see?

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1754 - 19/04/2026 11:56:54    2667172

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