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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Fake moon landing? You are some craic. I do enjoy tinfoil heads and their lack of logic."
The moon landing fib is for people who don't believe in Santa nor the tooth fairy anymore.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2612 - 04/04/2026 17:43:28    2664737

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "My point was that the corporate greed of Ireland in 2026 does not meet the vision of the 1916 proclamation?"
A lot of flowery prose written by Pearse the dreamer in different times and circumstances.
Is it not Corporate greed that has us now with a good economy and all that flows from that good and bad?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 452 - 04/04/2026 18:58:47    2664754

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Replying To Seanfan:  "A lot of flowery prose written by Pearse the dreamer in different times and circumstances.
Is it not Corporate greed that has us now with a good economy and all that flows from that good and bad?"
Yes there is economic prosperity but at what price ? In 2024 Ireland was the 9th ranked enabler country of global tax avoidance/abuse in the World. For such a small country in global terms that is a shocking indictment.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1742 - 04/04/2026 19:27:06    2664763

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "I am not an expert but the two ways would be radical wealth distribution from upper classes who have more money and assets than they need to working classes which would be a fairer society so that Ireland does not become a country of have and have nots.

Capitalism is leading to highs levels of inequality . China and Vietnam have market economies to build enough wealth to eventually bin capitalism for good. There would be a lot of experts who understand economics better than me who could decide who needs what and how wealth could be better distributed. My main point was that the situation today does not mean the idealistic vision of 1916 ?"
China has a leader who has amassed a personal wealth of over one billion dollars for him and his family, cracked down on all forms of dissent including long prison terms for human rights activists, operates forced work camps and state surveillance on an industrial scale, mass detention torture and sexual violence against the Uyghur population.
Is this your idea of a socialist republic?

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 460 - 04/04/2026 19:47:44    2664768

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Can you explain how this " Socialist" state you envision of 5/6 million people would survive in today's global economy ?? The only way we have of getting out is through a major international airline. Same with the ferries. All major international companies. Maybe go back to Devs vision of an Ireland where everyone has their half acre plot to grow their own food, keep a goat, pig and maybe a cow, comely maidens dancing at the crossroads ?? Interesting."
Ireland has achieved economic prosperity but the international reputation has without doubt suffered by virtue of running what many countries would view as a "tax scam" economy?

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1742 - 04/04/2026 19:50:56    2664769

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Yes there is economic prosperity but at what price ? In 2024 Ireland was the 9th ranked enabler country of global tax avoidance/abuse in the World. For such a small country in global terms that is a shocking indictment."
Well I for one am glad that my kids don't have to face compulsory emigration.
8 of my 9 aunts and uncles had to in the 1950s/60s.

My grandparents had 16 siblings forced to emigrate in the 1920/30s .
Wecwerexa source of cheap food and labour for England and the U.S.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 452 - 04/04/2026 19:57:03    2664770

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "China has a leader who has amassed a personal wealth of over one billion dollars for him and his family, cracked down on all forms of dissent including long prison terms for human rights activists, operates forced work camps and state surveillance on an industrial scale, mass detention torture and sexual violence against the Uyghur population.
Is this your idea of a socialist republic?"
China isnt a socialist country

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19041 - 04/04/2026 20:54:32    2664793

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Replying To Viking66:  "China isnt a socialist country"
You are correct but "Red and Black" was exorting the virtues of a socialist republic and cited China as a shining example.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 460 - 04/04/2026 21:59:20    2664805

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "You are correct but "Red and Black" was exorting the virtues of a socialist republic and cited China as a shining example."
China considers itself a Socialist country. Its system is known as Socialism with Chinese characteristics or a Socialist market economy. China is far from perfect but it is not a threat to World peace like USA or Israel. These capitalist countries have overseen the horrors in Gaza. It also is much more committed to the reunification of its national territory (Taiwan) than Ireland is.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1742 - 04/04/2026 23:11:32    2664822

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China officially describes its system as a "socialist market economy" or "socialism with Chinese characteristics," aiming for common prosperity through state-led development. It combines a dominant, state-owned sector in key industries with a robust private sector and market mechanisms, marking a shift from a strict Maoist command economy.

Political Structure: The country is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which adheres to Leninist principles and maintains centralized control.

Economic Structure: While often described by outsiders as state capitalism, it features massive state-owned enterprises (SOEs) in sectors like banking, energy, and telecommunications.

Ideology: The party officially embraces Marxism-Leninism and maintains that it is in the "primary stage of socialism".

Key Distinctions: The system merges capitalist methods (private property, markets) with socialist aims (government guidance of the economy and social control), aiming to move toward long-term communist goals.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1742 - 04/04/2026 23:15:58    2664825

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Ireland has achieved economic prosperity but the international reputation has without doubt suffered by virtue of running what many countries would view as a "tax scam" economy?"
What Countries?
Loads of Corporatin Tax being paid by the multinationals here.
If you think a SF/PBP Coalition would be a good thing....God bless your naivety.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 452 - 05/04/2026 00:06:07    2664835

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "China officially describes its system as a "socialist market economy" or "socialism with Chinese characteristics," aiming for common prosperity through state-led development. It combines a dominant, state-owned sector in key industries with a robust private sector and market mechanisms, marking a shift from a strict Maoist command economy.

Political Structure: The country is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which adheres to Leninist principles and maintains centralized control.

Economic Structure: While often described by outsiders as state capitalism, it features massive state-owned enterprises (SOEs) in sectors like banking, energy, and telecommunications.

Ideology: The party officially embraces Marxism-Leninism and maintains that it is in the "primary stage of socialism".

Key Distinctions: The system merges capitalist methods (private property, markets) with socialist aims (government guidance of the economy and social control), aiming to move toward long-term communist goals."
At least we can criticse our rulers.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 452 - 05/04/2026 11:25:13    2664853

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