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Replying To galwayford:  "That is not true. Israel is a nuclear power. Most Arab states have accepted it's existence. Israel has never really accepted the Palestinians existence. And have tried to wipe them off the map."
The Arabs have tried to wipe Israel off the map on several occasions. The fact that they havent been able to doesn't make them better or more likeable people than the Israelis are.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 11:18:30    2660397

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Arabs have tried to wipe Israel off the map on several occasions. The fact that they havent been able to doesn't make them better or more likeable people than the Israelis are."
Well there's no one less likeable in the world at the minute than the genocidal state.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1496 - 07/03/2026 12:48:30    2660413

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Replying To Viking66:  "Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu want peace. Thats why there isnt peace there, and wont be while those 2 parties are in government of Israel and Gaza."
You didn't answer the question. If you think the current attitude by the Government in Israel is the problem, then you do not understand the history of the Zionists movement and its origins. The concept of an Israel began with the British as a mixture of Christian orthodox and anti semitic views - the only way the second coming of Christ could happen is if the Jews occupied the holy land and at which point if they did not convert they would be dammed to hell. However it also solved their Jewish problem. Today most Jewish people in Israel believe the same story you are talking about because if they didn't, they would really be troubled by what their state represents. Jewish people have been demonised by Christians not Muslims however its the Muslims who have paid the price for Christianity. Before anyone talks about well us good Christian Irish people had nothing to do with it, then look again at how we and the rest of the world respond to Hitler.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2183 - 07/03/2026 13:05:31    2660416

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Egyptians closed their border with Gaza too. Of course the Israelis don't want a Palestinian State next door. Why would they after the last 80 odd years of fighting between the 2?
Im not saying they are right in not wanting it by the way, only stating a fact.
The current Israeli regime definitely dont want peace. But that might change following the next elections there.
The current regime ruling Gaza, Hamas, never wanted peace either. And still dont. Only they won't be voted out anytime soon."
You mean, why would they want a Palestinian state next door when they are pushing for the greater Israel project? Go and research exactly what the people of Israel believe they are entitled to in the middle east. It might shock you how much of it is already is undeniably in motion at this stage.

If you listen to what other Israeli potential candidates say about Palestinians, you would be extremely naive to think that the current regime are the only one who dont want peace and equality there.

Hamas wont be voted out any time soon because Israel wont let it happen. Hamas actually welcomed elections along with the UN but Israel wouldn't allow Arab residents in Jerusalem the right to vote, as was previously agreed upon. A supremacist state is impossible to negotiate with and that's the bottom line over there. Hamas could be dealt with one way or another if standard procedures were allowed to take place. But as things stand, Israel just looks like another version of a certain regime from the 1930s.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2617 - 07/03/2026 13:22:38    2660419

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "You mean, why would they want a Palestinian state next door when they are pushing for the greater Israel project? Go and research exactly what the people of Israel believe they are entitled to in the middle east. It might shock you how much of it is already is undeniably in motion at this stage.

If you listen to what other Israeli potential candidates say about Palestinians, you would be extremely naive to think that the current regime are the only one who dont want peace and equality there.

Hamas wont be voted out any time soon because Israel wont let it happen. Hamas actually welcomed elections along with the UN but Israel wouldn't allow Arab residents in Jerusalem the right to vote, as was previously agreed upon. A supremacist state is impossible to negotiate with and that's the bottom line over there. Hamas could be dealt with one way or another if standard procedures were allowed to take place. But as things stand, Israel just looks like another version of a certain regime from the 1930s."
Hamas have always stated they want the end of the Israeli State. By any means. And they couldve called an election any time since 2007, except they eliminated the opposition party in Gaza.
I can't believe anyone here would be a Hamas supporter.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 15:00:49    2660430

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Replying To zinny:  "You didn't answer the question. If you think the current attitude by the Government in Israel is the problem, then you do not understand the history of the Zionists movement and its origins. The concept of an Israel began with the British as a mixture of Christian orthodox and anti semitic views - the only way the second coming of Christ could happen is if the Jews occupied the holy land and at which point if they did not convert they would be dammed to hell. However it also solved their Jewish problem. Today most Jewish people in Israel believe the same story you are talking about because if they didn't, they would really be troubled by what their state represents. Jewish people have been demonised by Christians not Muslims however its the Muslims who have paid the price for Christianity. Before anyone talks about well us good Christian Irish people had nothing to do with it, then look again at how we and the rest of the world respond to Hitler."
I did answer this. I thought it was a rhetorical question you were asking. But the answer is that nearly all the Arab states have openly stated they wanted Israel destroyed, and most of them have stated this repeatedly since 1947, although not so much this millennium. And some, pretty much all Israels neighbours, have tried to achieve this by force.
That doesn't of course justify what Israel is doing currently in Gaza, but as I said before it should explain to you why Israel is the way it is.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 15:04:20    2660432

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hamas have always stated they want the end of the Israeli State. By any means. And they couldve called an election any time since 2007, except they eliminated the opposition party in Gaza.
I can't believe anyone here would be a Hamas supporter."
I simply laid out the pretext to the current predicament in Gaza. If you want to accuse me of being a Hamas supporter, which im not, you might want to reflect a little on the amount of defending you are doing of a terrorist state who's atrocities stack up far beyond anything that Hamas is even capable of doing. A state that has attacked 9 countries around the middle east while simultaneously stealing more and more Palestinian land, yet you keep providing them with indirect justification for doing so by blaming everything they do on Hamas, just as they do. I'm glad you weren't about 100 years ago on this Island.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2617 - 07/03/2026 16:06:25    2660437

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Replying To Viking66:  "I did answer this. I thought it was a rhetorical question you were asking. But the answer is that nearly all the Arab states have openly stated they wanted Israel destroyed, and most of them have stated this repeatedly since 1947, although not so much this millennium. And some, pretty much all Israels neighbours, have tried to achieve this by force.
That doesn't of course justify what Israel is doing currently in Gaza, but as I said before it should explain to you why Israel is the way it is."
What i am looking for is an example - please supply the evidence. 1947 or 1948 is not today.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2183 - 07/03/2026 16:32:40    2660442

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I simply laid out the pretext to the current predicament in Gaza. If you want to accuse me of being a Hamas supporter, which im not, you might want to reflect a little on the amount of defending you are doing of a terrorist state who's atrocities stack up far beyond anything that Hamas is even capable of doing. A state that has attacked 9 countries around the middle east while simultaneously stealing more and more Palestinian land, yet you keep providing them with indirect justification for doing so by blaming everything they do on Hamas, just as they do. I'm glad you weren't about 100 years ago on this Island."
Should probably change his name to Hasbara at this stage.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1496 - 07/03/2026 17:00:33    2660446

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I simply laid out the pretext to the current predicament in Gaza. If you want to accuse me of being a Hamas supporter, which im not, you might want to reflect a little on the amount of defending you are doing of a terrorist state who's atrocities stack up far beyond anything that Hamas is even capable of doing. A state that has attacked 9 countries around the middle east while simultaneously stealing more and more Palestinian land, yet you keep providing them with indirect justification for doing so by blaming everything they do on Hamas, just as they do. I'm glad you weren't about 100 years ago on this Island."
Im not doing any defending of them. Read my texts again. Im only trying to explain to you and a few other posters what way they think, and why they think that way.
There's plenty on here blaming them for the current plight of the Palestinians, and therefore implicitly justifying what Hamas are and what they have done and are doing. I personally think both are equally to blame.
Also I dont think there's any difference morally between Hamas and Netanyahus government. The only difference currently is that Hamas is losing the war.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 18:16:57    2660450

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Replying To zinny:  "What i am looking for is an example - please supply the evidence. 1947 or 1948 is not today."
Yom Kippur War https://share.google/BMIQjngxyoENDXDKr

A good read for you.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 18:22:37    2660451

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I simply laid out the pretext to the current predicament in Gaza. If you want to accuse me of being a Hamas supporter, which im not, you might want to reflect a little on the amount of defending you are doing of a terrorist state who's atrocities stack up far beyond anything that Hamas is even capable of doing. A state that has attacked 9 countries around the middle east while simultaneously stealing more and more Palestinian land, yet you keep providing them with indirect justification for doing so by blaming everything they do on Hamas, just as they do. I'm glad you weren't about 100 years ago on this Island."
This Island is a totally different situation to Palestine.
The only thing it has in common is that alot of the present situation was caused by the British.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 18:24:32    2660454

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Should probably change his name to Hasbara at this stage."
Really couldnt care less what you call me Yahya

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18694 - 07/03/2026 18:25:44    2660455

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Replying To Viking66:  "Im not doing any defending of them. Read my texts again. Im only trying to explain to you and a few other posters what way they think, and why they think that way.
There's plenty on here blaming them for the current plight of the Palestinians, and therefore implicitly justifying what Hamas are and what they have done and are doing. I personally think both are equally to blame.
Also I dont think there's any difference morally between Hamas and Netanyahus government. The only difference currently is that Hamas is losing the war."
The only difference is that one of them is an illegal occupying force. You can dress it up any other way you'd like to, but you shouldn't need reminding of the effect of an occupying force on a people.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2617 - 07/03/2026 19:26:03    2660462

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Replying To Viking66:  "This Island is a totally different situation to Palestine.
The only thing it has in common is that alot of the present situation was caused by the British."
Not only caused, but the same placement of settlers with more human rights than the locals. An army that could act with impunity on the native people including starvation tactics. There are quite a few similarities when you really look at it with a clear head.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2617 - 07/03/2026 19:34:34    2660464

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Replying To Viking66:  "Really couldnt care less what you call me Yahya"
It's not only me.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1496 - 07/03/2026 20:57:58    2660472

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I simply laid out the pretext to the current predicament in Gaza. If you want to accuse me of being a Hamas supporter, which im not, you might want to reflect a little on the amount of defending you are doing of a terrorist state who's atrocities stack up far beyond anything that Hamas is even capable of doing. A state that has attacked 9 countries around the middle east while simultaneously stealing more and more Palestinian land, yet you keep providing them with indirect justification for doing so by blaming everything they do on Hamas, just as they do. I'm glad you weren't about 100 years ago on this Island."
Blames everything on October 7th but doesn't ask himself how it was allowed to happen on the doorstep of the world's most protected country and informed army. Like the rest of them.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1496 - 07/03/2026 21:05:31    2660473

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Not only caused, but the same placement of settlers with more human rights than the locals. An army that could act with impunity on the native people including starvation tactics. There are quite a few similarities when you really look at it with a clear head."
There is no excuse for what Israel is doing. I was inclined to be sympathetic for historical reasons including their beating the Brits.

They've exhausted that credit. They seem determined to drag world into their mess. For first time in my life i can see Europe descending into chaos and horror again.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4049 - 07/03/2026 21:23:10    2660477

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