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Replying To Viking66:  "Maybe read up who started the 1967 war? The situation in Israel and Palestine is way more complicated than Russia and Ukraine. It dates back to the start of Islam, maybe even before it. And Ukraine never tried to wipe out all the Russians living in Ukraine.
At the same time that doesn't excuse the human suffering there currently is in Gaza, or the Jewish extremists grabbing land in the West Bank."
The 1967 war was started by Israel in what they called a preemptive strike similar to their attack on Iran last year regarding nuclear weapons . Israel makes up the law as they go along.

An Arab attack on Israel was not imminent they were building their armies but had no immediate attack plans on Israel. Israel in essence should never have been created in the first place.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1727 - 22/01/2026 12:20:08    2652489

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I see President Trump is setting up a Board of Peace now. how this man wasn't given the Noble Peace Prize I'll never know.
He only wants Greenland to act as a deterrent to any aggressor. The USA has protected us all for decades they helped defeat Nazi Germany and don't forget the Red Army also battered the Germans into submission from the eastern side.
Easy to forget now listening to the spiel from the likes of Macron etc,
what was France's record in the war? I wouldn't like to be depending on the likes of them for defence anyway.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3672 - 22/01/2026 12:36:32    2652492

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I see President Trump is setting up a Board of Peace now. how this man wasn't given the Noble Peace Prize I'll never know.
He only wants Greenland to act as a deterrent to any aggressor. The USA has protected us all for decades they helped defeat Nazi Germany and don't forget the Red Army also battered the Germans into submission from the eastern side.
Easy to forget now listening to the spiel from the likes of Macron etc,
what was France's record in the war? I wouldn't like to be depending on the likes of them for defence anyway."
This Board of Peace doesn't come cheap. To be a permanent member the fee is $1 bn. If not you get a 3 yr term.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2038 - 22/01/2026 14:37:37    2652510

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The point is now that dealing with the United States who are complicit in genocide and imperialism in an anathema to Irish history given the history of British misrule and the famine. Western countries apply the international rules based order to enemies but not allies like Israel you are correct."
Completely agree. It's an awkward position for Irish folks to be in but unfortunately it is what it is.

Not that it's likely to happen any time soon, but if we were to pivot completely away from the US and the EU, we'd be like Albania under Hoxoa, or Europe's North Korea. Ok, maybe not quite as bad as that. But our lives would be fundamentally different. I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of Irish people are living relatively comfortable lives and would not welcome such an uprooting.

It's one thing agitating and demonstarting on social media, or joining the odd protest march here and there. Quite another to fully put your money where your mouth is.

Not a dig at you by the way - you come across as a fairly genuine socialist.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10207 - 22/01/2026 14:54:32    2652514

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I see President Trump is setting up a Board of Peace now. how this man wasn't given the Noble Peace Prize I'll never know.
He only wants Greenland to act as a deterrent to any aggressor. The USA has protected us all for decades they helped defeat Nazi Germany and don't forget the Red Army also battered the Germans into submission from the eastern side.
Easy to forget now listening to the spiel from the likes of Macron etc,
what was France's record in the war? I wouldn't like to be depending on the likes of them for defence anyway."
How's your TACO today Tirchonaill1? I hope you were able to digest it all, it can be hard to take in all at once.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1689 - 22/01/2026 14:59:37    2652515

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Replying To SouthGalway:  "Of course I don't chat to Greenlanders, but I have read here or there that not all are happy at being ruled by distant Denmark. What percent? No idea hence hoping for a fair election where they decide and not others."
They had a poll in Greenland to ask the people. 85% of people don't want to be part of the U.S. 9 % undecided. But you read a post on here somewhere saying they are not happy. Amazing.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8729 - 22/01/2026 15:42:04    2652533

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Completely agree. It's an awkward position for Irish folks to be in but unfortunately it is what it is.

Not that it's likely to happen any time soon, but if we were to pivot completely away from the US and the EU, we'd be like Albania under Hoxoa, or Europe's North Korea. Ok, maybe not quite as bad as that. But our lives would be fundamentally different. I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of Irish people are living relatively comfortable lives and would not welcome such an uprooting.

It's one thing agitating and demonstarting on social media, or joining the odd protest march here and there. Quite another to fully put your money where your mouth is.

Not a dig at you by the way - you come across as a fairly genuine socialist."
Yes I would definitely be a Socialist because I think the greed and wealth disparities under capitalism are too vast . Socialism is very good system and can work well China is booming but I accept it failed in the USSR probably it was not implemented well there as it collapsed. The concept of socialism is just. Capitalism in China with a population of over one billion would be a bad fit given the wealth disparities it creates if the elite had all the money there could be widespread poverty.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1727 - 22/01/2026 15:53:54    2652537

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Yes I would definitely be a Socialist because I think the greed and wealth disparities under capitalism are too vast . Socialism is very good system and can work well China is booming but I accept it failed in the USSR probably it was not implemented well there as it collapsed. The concept of socialism is just. Capitalism in China with a population of over one billion would be a bad fit given the wealth disparities it creates if the elite had all the money there could be widespread poverty."
How is China socialist?

The economy is run by giant corporations owned by individuals not by the state. Xi himself is multi billionaire.

It is also beyond doubt the most oppressive state in history. Run by a party that has murdered tens of millions to stay in power.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3941 - 22/01/2026 17:08:19    2652557

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China socialist???? Oh lord lol.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11884 - 22/01/2026 17:32:37    2652565

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The 1967 war was started by Israel in what they called a preemptive strike similar to their attack on Iran last year regarding nuclear weapons . Israel makes up the law as they go along.

An Arab attack on Israel was not imminent they were building their armies but had no immediate attack plans on Israel. Israel in essence should never have been created in the first place."
There were Jews living there for thousands of years before there were Muslims there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18107 - 22/01/2026 17:33:15    2652567

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "They had a poll in Greenland to ask the people. 85% of people don't want to be part of the U.S. 9 % undecided. But you read a post on here somewhere saying they are not happy. Amazing."
They had a poll in 2019 and 67.8% wanted to leave Denmark within the following two decades so it's fair to say while they don't want to join US they may not be happy to remain under danish rule.

But go on jump down someone genuine post

Stats lie liars use statistics

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1896 - 22/01/2026 17:57:10    2652573

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "They had a poll in Greenland to ask the people. 85% of people don't want to be part of the U.S. 9 % undecided. But you read a post on here somewhere saying they are not happy. Amazing."
Jumping down someone throat without properly reading the persons post

Your percentages are worthless dont relate to what poster said which is Greenlanders want independence from Denmark which is overwhelming true

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1896 - 22/01/2026 18:00:53    2652576

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "From what you hear? You chat to many Greenlanders on a weekly basis ?"
You are correct south Galway 67.8% in 2019 said they would like independence within 20 years

In 2008 they had earmarked 2021.

So while they overwhelmingly don't want to join USA this doesn't mean they are happy in current scenario

No i can depart again after having to put the ego back in their box

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1896 - 22/01/2026 18:05:23    2652578

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "They had a poll in Greenland to ask the people. 85% of people don't want to be part of the U.S. 9 % undecided. But you read a post on here somewhere saying they are not happy. Amazing."
You know we can both be right about this. You cited a poll that was very decisive. 85% is a landslide. I merely said I read somewhere that many were not happy with Denmark and felt ignored. Many could mean 2%.

SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 22/01/2026 18:05:47    2652579

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Replying To Square_B:  "How's your TACO today Tirchonaill1? I hope you were able to digest it all, it can be hard to take in all at once."
It's looking more and more as if the big prize in Greenland was their rare earths. I'll bet this "deal" will include mention of access to them. The bluff was all a hodge podge of lies tied up
in half truths - all figments of one man's rather vivid imagination. Thank god there were some in there who were able to take heat out of the situation I'd imagine the shock to the bond markets played no small part either.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2038 - 22/01/2026 18:16:17    2652582

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "They had a poll in Greenland to ask the people. 85% of people don't want to be part of the U.S. 9 % undecided. But you read a post on here somewhere saying they are not happy. Amazing."
In the same article they had another poll

Around 56% want independence 28% want to remain with Denmark 17% are undecided.

Did you not read full piece? Amazing

You are comparing apples with pomegranate

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1896 - 22/01/2026 18:34:50    2652586

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "How is China socialist?

The economy is run by giant corporations owned by individuals not by the state. Xi himself is multi billionaire.

It is also beyond doubt the most oppressive state in history. Run by a party that has murdered tens of millions to stay in power."
The Chinese government's understanding of private ownership is claimed to be rooted in classical Marxism. According to party theorists, since China adopted state ownership when it was a semi-feudal and semi-colonial country, it is claimed to be in the primary stage of socialism.

China is officially a Socialist country. The statement above is the Chinese government's understanding of private ownership in the country that comes from Marxism. It system is called "socialism with Chinese characteristics".

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1727 - 22/01/2026 19:19:28    2652589

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Replying To jm25:  "In the same article they had another poll

Around 56% want independence 28% want to remain with Denmark 17% are undecided.

Did you not read full piece? Amazing

You are comparing apples with pomegranate"
We are not debating their independence. That was not what anyone on here was debating. This whole topic is about whether they would want to be under American rule and you knew that before you posted.

You absolutely know that they would rather be under Denmark than the US. Independence is a totally different debate .

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8729 - 22/01/2026 20:55:28    2652601

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Replying To Viking66:  "There were Jews living there for thousands of years before there were Muslims there."
The Caanaanites who were there since the Bronze Age share the same lineage as today's Palestinians showing it is and has always been their land.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1727 - 22/01/2026 21:08:04    2652607

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The Chinese government's understanding of private ownership is claimed to be rooted in classical Marxism. According to party theorists, since China adopted state ownership when it was a semi-feudal and semi-colonial country, it is claimed to be in the primary stage of socialism.

China is officially a Socialist country. The statement above is the Chinese government's understanding of private ownership in the country that comes from Marxism. It system is called "socialism with Chinese characteristics"."
A one party state ruled in interests of a small fabulously wealthy elite.

Can't imagine James Connolly would have considered that socialism.

Socialism was utter disaster so Chinese abandoned it. A state in which every single moment of every persons life is minutely watched and determines what they are allowed have and do.

Would you like to live tgere? Or is it like Cuba and other places, just something some other poor person has to endure so western lefties get cool t shirts and memes?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3941 - 22/01/2026 21:12:30    2652609

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