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Replying To updwell:  "FYI an American Republican is not the same as an Irish Republican, if fact their Polar opposite's. Are you 1 or the other?"
There are different types of Irish republicans too. Both on the right and the left.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 233 - 20/01/2026 13:29:26    2652078

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Good post. I am currently reading Fintan O'Toole and Sam McBride's "The Case For & Against a United Ireland"

Each contributor puts forward arguments for and against. It really is very interesting reading.

Anyone thinking that a united Ireland vote would simply romp home in any border poll is sadly mistaken."
Sounds like a good book. The Brexit thing makes it even more complex than it already was. lol. Does anyone ever consider if the North became its own country independent of Ireland and England?

SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 171 - 20/01/2026 13:43:40    2652084

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Replying To SouthGalway:  "Sounds like a good book. The Brexit thing makes it even more complex than it already was. lol. Does anyone ever consider if the North became its own country independent of Ireland and England?"
Do you mean the whole (real) north of Ireland or just the wee north?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3658 - 20/01/2026 13:52:44    2652086

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Replying To SouthGalway:  "Sounds like a good book. The Brexit thing makes it even more complex than it already was. lol. Does anyone ever consider if the North became its own country independent of Ireland and England?"
I think the economy in the north wouldn't be capable of standing on its own two legs. It costs the UK government many billions a year to keep it moving. I'll probably get hopped off here but, what's new about that ?

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2032 - 20/01/2026 14:03:45    2652089

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Should the GAA - headquarters, county boards and clubs cut ties with X due to this Grok app ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2032 - 20/01/2026 14:08:02    2652091

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There was an overwhelming vote for Irish unity and independence in 1918. Brits refused to recognise it and partitioned country to ensure a majority in six counties for staying in UK.

A border poll held on that basis would not be legitimate and in any even would not pass. SF keep on about it as it distracts from what they are doing: Running part of Ireland under license from Westminster.

Of course Greenland shouldn't be taken by the Americans. Mad stuff. Just as mad as England claiming part of our country. Except they are already here!"
Go on then Barney. Give us your solution.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8721 - 20/01/2026 14:12:06    2652093

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Do you mean the whole (real) north of Ireland or just the wee north?"
The currently OCCUPIED North. Leave Donegal out of this!!! lol.

SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 171 - 20/01/2026 14:12:18    2652094

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Replying To Square_B:  "In your head there's a majority. It is true there's a slim majority of Catholic's in the North but it is far more complicated that that. Funny enough not all Catholics want a United Ireland. The last thing anyone wants is another Brexit, it has to pass by a good majority. As it stands any border poll would likely be marginally defeated which is no good for anyone as there won't be a second shot at it."
Wrong on two points. A border poll does not have to pass by a good majority and secondly there will be a second shot at it or third shot for that matter if required. Obviously it would be great if it passed first time with a good majority.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 454 - 20/01/2026 14:25:44    2652097

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Replying To SouthGalway:  "Sounds like a good book. The Brexit thing makes it even more complex than it already was. lol. Does anyone ever consider if the North became its own country independent of Ireland and England?"
No.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 454 - 20/01/2026 14:37:50    2652100

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "There are different types of Irish republicans too. Both on the right and the left."
Well historically Irish Republicans were on the left, in the 1930s that fought against Franco in Spain while in Ireland the blue shirts were fascist and enemies of the Republicans. Nowadays how can anybody who calls themselves an Irish Republican align with loyalists and the British far right- if you do you couldn't be farther from an Irish patriot. By the way I don't think Trump would side with Irish Republicans either.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 937 - 20/01/2026 14:41:55    2652101

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Go on then Barney. Give us your solution."
Nationalists should do as they did after 1916 and abstain from Stormont and administration and demand 32 county referendum.

Passive resistance as it were. Would require backing of Dublin government probably. That's what SF ought to be at.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 20/01/2026 14:50:48    2652104

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Replying To Viking66:  "A poll should be an all island poll"
Do you know anything about the GFA? Maybe you should look at it sometime.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1681 - 20/01/2026 14:58:41    2652108

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Wrong on two points. A border poll does not have to pass by a good majority and secondly there will be a second shot at it or third shot for that matter if required. Obviously it would be great if it passed first time with a good majority."
Maybe you should re-read my post and take off those rose tinted glasses.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1681 - 20/01/2026 14:59:22    2652109

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There was an overwhelming vote for Irish unity and independence in 1918. Brits refused to recognise it and partitioned country to ensure a majority in six counties for staying in UK.

A border poll held on that basis would not be legitimate and in any even would not pass. SF keep on about it as it distracts from what they are doing: Running part of Ireland under license from Westminster.

Of course Greenland shouldn't be taken by the Americans. Mad stuff. Just as mad as England claiming part of our country. Except they are already here!"
Tell me you don't understand the GFA without telling me you don't understand it :rolleyes:

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1681 - 20/01/2026 15:03:19    2652110

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Wrong on two points. A border poll does not have to pass by a good majority and secondly there will be a second shot at it or third shot for that matter if required. Obviously it would be great if it passed first time with a good majority."
As I would expect, you are correct. A simple majority in polls both sides of the border will suffice. Under the GfA framework, in the event of a vote being defeated it should be at least 7 yrs before it can be reintroduced.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2032 - 20/01/2026 15:12:36    2652114

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Should the GAA - headquarters, county boards and clubs cut ties with X due to this Grok app ??"
Probably should have posted this on the main forum.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 2032 - 20/01/2026 15:17:15    2652117

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Good post. I am currently reading Fintan O'Toole and Sam McBride's "The Case For & Against a United Ireland"

Each contributor puts forward arguments for and against. It really is very interesting reading.

Anyone thinking that a united Ireland vote would simply romp home in any border poll is sadly mistaken."
I read the book in a while of an evening, neither writer wrote with much conviction, probably written for the Christmas market.
Who in god's name ever said that a unity vote in a border poll would ever romp home?

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 454 - 20/01/2026 15:20:02    2652121

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Replying To Square_B:  "Maybe you should re-read my post and take off those rose tinted glasses."
Don't have to re- read your post, Did you just suggest to someone that they read the GFA, I suggest you have a quick look at it yourself before lecturing someone else.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 454 - 20/01/2026 15:53:55    2652133

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Nationalists should do as they did after 1916 and abstain from Stormont and administration and demand 32 county referendum.

Passive resistance as it were. Would require backing of Dublin government probably. That's what SF ought to be at."
Barney what about convincing the middle ground in the North that joining the Republlic makes more sense to them than staying part of the UK. That to me seems like a more viable and long term solution to a peaceful transition rather than just forcing ourselves on the North and pulling them screaming and roaring into a United Ireland. There will be a percentage in the North who would threaten violence and probably do something but the larger majority that see their future down here the less chance violence would continue. I would love to see a United Ireland one day but the more peaceful the transition the more likely it would last and be stronger.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 937 - 20/01/2026 16:10:12    2652139

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Harking back to 1918 and saying everything that happened after is illegal is painting yourself into a Purity Corner which has no effect in the real World.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 317 - 20/01/2026 17:18:14    2652159

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