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Yet another year of currin falling short in junior. Wonder what is going on there? . Big statement from aghabog beating Blackhill by 13 points.

ScarnaMan1990 (Monaghan) - Posts: 36 - 06/07/2025 14:35:28    2623913

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Replying To ScarnaMan1990:  "Yet another year of currin falling short in junior. Wonder what is going on there? . Big statement from aghabog beating Blackhill by 13 points."
Just not good enough plus being raided 2 years ago was the final nail…..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 578 - 06/07/2025 16:19:51    2623932

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Replying To HB245:  "McBennett the only one worth mentioning here. That's a debate, I'll give you that. Leonard never fit so that's null and void. Beggan was in the panel for a couple of years and couldn't cut it. Connolly was given a shot this year and clearly not at that standard. Hanratty from Castleblayney simply not even close to that level, although still young so I suppose he could develop. Mick McCarville would look like an all-star playing intermediate football. Hes been the best midfielder in the senior championship for 2 or 3 years now whilst some of those lads you mentioned are often found struggling in intermediate league games."
The problem I see here is to know mc carville is the best midfield at senior club level the past 3 years you'd have to be at a heck of a lot of senior club games and to then say lads struggle in many games divisions down you'd also have to be at a lot of junior / intermediate games too, either you have the ability to be in multiple places at once or your judging players on bite sizes, if the small sample size you have of a player happens to be on an off day then your automatically going to think hrs no good.

Monaghangeael (Monaghan) - Posts: 14 - 06/07/2025 17:23:02    2623939

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Replying To Monaghangeael:  "The problem I see here is to know mc carville is the best midfield at senior club level the past 3 years you'd have to be at a heck of a lot of senior club games and to then say lads struggle in many games divisions down you'd also have to be at a lot of junior / intermediate games too, either you have the ability to be in multiple places at once or your judging players on bite sizes, if the small sample size you have of a player happens to be on an off day then your automatically going to think hrs no good."
I attend a lot of games in all grades and McCarville is the best available to Monaghan on the past few years form. Hopefully over the coming years true midfielders will come through from our excellent underage structure.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 694 - 06/07/2025 19:06:04    2623970

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Replying To Monaghangeael:  "The problem I see here is to know mc carville is the best midfield at senior club level the past 3 years you'd have to be at a heck of a lot of senior club games and to then say lads struggle in many games divisions down you'd also have to be at a lot of junior / intermediate games too, either you have the ability to be in multiple places at once or your judging players on bite sizes, if the small sample size you have of a player happens to be on an off day then your automatically going to think hrs no good."
All these midfielders/missing club men are very elusive. 3 managers in 4 years and all seem baffled.

MonaghanMan44life (Monaghan) - Posts: 66 - 06/07/2025 21:29:40    2624000

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Replying To Monaghangeael:  "The problem I see here is to know mc carville is the best midfield at senior club level the past 3 years you'd have to be at a heck of a lot of senior club games and to then say lads struggle in many games divisions down you'd also have to be at a lot of junior / intermediate games too, either you have the ability to be in multiple places at once or your judging players on bite sizes, if the small sample size you have of a player happens to be on an off day then your automatically going to think hrs no good."
All these midfielders/missing club men are very elusive. 3 managers in 4 years and all seem baffled.

MonaghanMan44life (Monaghan) - Posts: 66 - 06/07/2025 23:17:47    2624022

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Replying To mick2007:  "Just not good enough plus being raided 2 years ago was the final nail….."
Raided by who?
Starting players that wouldn't even get a look in for Blayney Cs wouldnt help either

Monaghan37 (Monaghan) - Posts: 66 - 07/07/2025 05:06:22    2624038

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I think McCarville being unfairly targeted here. He has had a good year. Like the rest of the team bar beggan and probably o hanlon he just seemed to hit the wall in that second half when donegal got on top. Its funny looking back at the game now dust has settled. Pretty obvious we didn't manage to make enough hay when the sun was shining in first half players missed some relatively easy chances shoukd been 10-15 points up at h/t. Donegal were always going to come at us and dominate the 3rd quarter. The new rules make a 7 pt lead effectively a 3 pt lead under old rules and there are huge momentum swings in games now which are hard to retrieve. If we'd got a bigger lead we wouldn't panicked as much as we did in that 4th quarter as wed still been in front the beggan pt hitting the post was a massive moment as woukd have steadied a ship taking on msssive amounts of vwater. Once donegal got level abd went in front the game was over as monaghan players just hit wall had bad luck with key injuries but effectively heads went as their attacking system which had been so good all year lost its shape entirely. That's the real disappointment looking back. We buckled at the very worst time. That has happened a lot to monaghan over the years in big games inherent problem in the side. That all said it has been a v good year no denying that noone would have expected monaghan to have year we have had. However make no mistake football is changing and traditional powers are coming back with new rules meath have shown that. Id expect kildare cork down derry to all be in mix next year so no guarantees monaghan will be back next year to where they got themselves to this year. Hopefully club season will unearth some new talent in the county to strengthen the panel and a few lads who walked this year for various reasons come back in as we will need them all next year.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1908 - 07/07/2025 06:58:25    2624039

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Replying To MonaghanMan44life:  "All these midfielders/missing club men are very elusive. 3 managers in 4 years and all seem baffled."
I don't quite follow you?

Monaghangeael (Monaghan) - Posts: 14 - 07/07/2025 07:49:44    2624042

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Watched the hurling on bbc yesterday and thought a shame we don't play it up here at any extent. It can't be too hard to get it going if everyone really wanted it I'd have thought?

farneygael3 (Monaghan) - Posts: 281 - 07/07/2025 10:44:36    2624069

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Replying To farneygael3:  "Watched the hurling on bbc yesterday and thought a shame we don't play it up here at any extent. It can't be too hard to get it going if everyone really wanted it I'd have thought?"
Well, if you read back over the past few pages, and try to ignore the constant bickering that masquerades as debate here, you'll discern that the consensus seems to be a dearth of talent to even fill key positions on the county senior team, originating in poor standards outside a few clubs in the upper echelons of Monaghan GAA.

Now, consider what happens if this shallow and under-cooked pool of talent, (as some see it), is further diluted by asking players to become involved in the small ball code.

One would imagine that a further fall off of players of a certain standard being available for even lower grade club teams never mind county efforts would ensue.

Many around here probably rightly decry the constant refrain of Monaghan GAA punching above its weight, given the small pick. This would likely become a universally accepted argument, however, if there was a concerted effort to play both codes.

Perhaps redoubled programmes at school and juvenile level to encourage the take up of the hurl, and this over time might grow the pool of players, but it's hard to see how we could sustain competitive teams across a majority of clubs in both codes.

Anyway, hasn't the football gotten a lot more exciting this year?

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 211 - 07/07/2025 13:16:41    2624116

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Replying To farneygael3:  "Watched the hurling on bbc yesterday and thought a shame we don't play it up here at any extent. It can't be too hard to get it going if everyone really wanted it I'd have thought?"
Very hard to get going, lack of coaches and knowledge in most clubs as it's never been played at the majority of our clubs. It would take an awful lot of investment and work, clubs finding it hard to get volunteers to help with coaching, committees etc. and only seems to be becoming more of an issue, everyone too busy to help! Couldn't see hurling ever developing on a bigger scale in the county unless you had plenty of people willing to give up their time.

sporto (Monaghan) - Posts: 185 - 07/07/2025 14:41:34    2624151

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Replying To farneygael3:  "Watched the hurling on bbc yesterday and thought a shame we don't play it up here at any extent. It can't be too hard to get it going if everyone really wanted it I'd have thought?"
Nobody stopping you going to play it.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 694 - 07/07/2025 16:04:49    2624183

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "Nobody stopping you going to play it."
You're a horrid wee troll with nothing of note to contribute.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 207 - 07/07/2025 17:03:01    2624209

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Replying To seanie08:  "I think McCarville being unfairly targeted here. He has had a good year. Like the rest of the team bar beggan and probably o hanlon he just seemed to hit the wall in that second half when donegal got on top. Its funny looking back at the game now dust has settled. Pretty obvious we didn't manage to make enough hay when the sun was shining in first half players missed some relatively easy chances shoukd been 10-15 points up at h/t. Donegal were always going to come at us and dominate the 3rd quarter. The new rules make a 7 pt lead effectively a 3 pt lead under old rules and there are huge momentum swings in games now which are hard to retrieve. If we'd got a bigger lead we wouldn't panicked as much as we did in that 4th quarter as wed still been in front the beggan pt hitting the post was a massive moment as woukd have steadied a ship taking on msssive amounts of vwater. Once donegal got level abd went in front the game was over as monaghan players just hit wall had bad luck with key injuries but effectively heads went as their attacking system which had been so good all year lost its shape entirely. That's the real disappointment looking back. We buckled at the very worst time. That has happened a lot to monaghan over the years in big games inherent problem in the side. That all said it has been a v good year no denying that noone would have expected monaghan to have year we have had. However make no mistake football is changing and traditional powers are coming back with new rules meath have shown that. Id expect kildare cork down derry to all be in mix next year so no guarantees monaghan will be back next year to where they got themselves to this year. Hopefully club season will unearth some new talent in the county to strengthen the panel and a few lads who walked this year for various reasons come back in as we will need them all next year."
McCarville kicked two awful wides in that same first half and in the second half O'Hanlon marked Patrick McBrearty in corner back for 5 minutes…

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 207 - 07/07/2025 17:06:13    2624211

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Replying To sporto:  "Very hard to get going, lack of coaches and knowledge in most clubs as it's never been played at the majority of our clubs. It would take an awful lot of investment and work, clubs finding it hard to get volunteers to help with coaching, committees etc. and only seems to be becoming more of an issue, everyone too busy to help! Couldn't see hurling ever developing on a bigger scale in the county unless you had plenty of people willing to give up their time."
Latton, Truagh and Inniskeen doing great work at underage, getting their footballers to play hurling. If more clubs had their approach it wouldn't take that long for the game to improve in the county.

BrehonBlonde (Monaghan) - Posts: 125 - 07/07/2025 18:43:48    2624234

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Replying To TearsIn85:  "Well, if you read back over the past few pages, and try to ignore the constant bickering that masquerades as debate here, you'll discern that the consensus seems to be a dearth of talent to even fill key positions on the county senior team, originating in poor standards outside a few clubs in the upper echelons of Monaghan GAA.

Now, consider what happens if this shallow and under-cooked pool of talent, (as some see it), is further diluted by asking players to become involved in the small ball code.

One would imagine that a further fall off of players of a certain standard being available for even lower grade club teams never mind county efforts would ensue.

Many around here probably rightly decry the constant refrain of Monaghan GAA punching above its weight, given the small pick. This would likely become a universally accepted argument, however, if there was a concerted effort to play both codes.

Perhaps redoubled programmes at school and juvenile level to encourage the take up of the hurl, and this over time might grow the pool of players, but it's hard to see how we could sustain competitive teams across a majority of clubs in both codes.

Anyway, hasn't the football gotten a lot more exciting this year?"
Very good post, I've always thought that the more games of any type you get youngsters playing the better. All the better when it's under the same banner and organised by the same organisation ( most of the time). No doubt you would keep more players involved if both codes were available. I've seen it at underage where the big town team will drop a youngster and then he'll stick at the hurling and then come back to the football

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 07/07/2025 18:59:07    2624236

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Replying To seanie08:  "I think McCarville being unfairly targeted here. He has had a good year. Like the rest of the team bar beggan and probably o hanlon he just seemed to hit the wall in that second half when donegal got on top. Its funny looking back at the game now dust has settled. Pretty obvious we didn't manage to make enough hay when the sun was shining in first half players missed some relatively easy chances shoukd been 10-15 points up at h/t. Donegal were always going to come at us and dominate the 3rd quarter. The new rules make a 7 pt lead effectively a 3 pt lead under old rules and there are huge momentum swings in games now which are hard to retrieve. If we'd got a bigger lead we wouldn't panicked as much as we did in that 4th quarter as wed still been in front the beggan pt hitting the post was a massive moment as woukd have steadied a ship taking on msssive amounts of vwater. Once donegal got level abd went in front the game was over as monaghan players just hit wall had bad luck with key injuries but effectively heads went as their attacking system which had been so good all year lost its shape entirely. That's the real disappointment looking back. We buckled at the very worst time. That has happened a lot to monaghan over the years in big games inherent problem in the side. That all said it has been a v good year no denying that noone would have expected monaghan to have year we have had. However make no mistake football is changing and traditional powers are coming back with new rules meath have shown that. Id expect kildare cork down derry to all be in mix next year so no guarantees monaghan will be back next year to where they got themselves to this year. Hopefully club season will unearth some new talent in the county to strengthen the panel and a few lads who walked this year for various reasons come back in as we will need them all next year."
When the dust settles we'll realise we aren't a million miles away, mc carville had a decent year but to get over the hump we need him to take the next step and the problem for many they probably think he has hit his ceiling so could do with another option, dream scenario would be k Gallagher and kearns to get back firing but seems unlikely atm.
Fancy a few already in the panel to have better years next year like mooney, jones if he gets over his injuries and hamill.

Monaghangeael (Monaghan) - Posts: 14 - 07/07/2025 20:51:15    2624247

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Replying To Monaghangeael:  "When the dust settles we'll realise we aren't a million miles away, mc carville had a decent year but to get over the hump we need him to take the next step and the problem for many they probably think he has hit his ceiling so could do with another option, dream scenario would be k Gallagher and kearns to get back firing but seems unlikely atm.
Fancy a few already in the panel to have better years next year like mooney, jones if he gets over his injuries and hamill."
Yeah to be fair to mccarville he has had a good year and is getting criticism as there aren't many other options available so is bearing brunt which is wrong as the lad has given a fair amount to the jersey this year. In ideal world Kearns be in there with Gallagher freeing up mohan for no 14 but ain't going to happen. I dont recall monaghan ever been blessed with out and out big midfielders bar a select few off top of my head so we have always struggled there. Becoming a bigger issue as much harder to pick lads out going short with new rules so a lot of games will be run around the midfield.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1908 - 07/07/2025 21:25:53    2624255

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Replying To Monaghangeael:  "When the dust settles we'll realise we aren't a million miles away, mc carville had a decent year but to get over the hump we need him to take the next step and the problem for many they probably think he has hit his ceiling so could do with another option, dream scenario would be k Gallagher and kearns to get back firing but seems unlikely atm.
Fancy a few already in the panel to have better years next year like mooney, jones if he gets over his injuries and hamill."
One of the key challenges we will have next year is adding to our defensive options in terms of players and tactics. Most of the names being put forward to strengthen the team are attackers and bearing in mind that we are one of the highest scorers in the entire country ( Very unusually for a Monaghan team) this is clearly where our strengths lie.

We have only played one Division One team all year so our defence hasn't been exposed to most of the best forwards in the country and whilst accepting that all defences this year have struggled with the new rules some have been better able to cope than others. Thats a huge challenge for us.

By the way looking at Adelaide Crows website, Karl Gallagher has been a member of the team squad this year but hasn't had any game time at all as yet and the season is about three quarters over. Not sure if he has had injuries or why he hasn't made the team. As his two years will be up in a few months they will make a call about his future with them later in the year.

Vofster (Monaghan) - Posts: 19 - 07/07/2025 21:41:24    2624257

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